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Orton said:
Yes but we all know it wont work like that. If we miss out on lucas we probably wont sign anyone else this summer.
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Really hope that isn't the case.

It's strange. Fergie clearly is looking for someone who can hurt teams with his flair and dribbling ability. We've been interested in signing both Hazard and Lucas, both of whom are players of that mould. But at the same time, our most immediate need, you would think, is central midfield and left back. So with two spaces which we need to fill and one kind of player Fergie feels we could really do with, it's hard to see the logic behind not making signings.
 
Garethw said:
Totally agree about our wingers, but if you take Rooney out of the equation our front line isn't nearly as menacing as you make out.

When clubs stand still in football they ultimately take a step back.
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Kagawa/Welbeck/Hernandez/Berbatov(for the moment) is quite a ferocious forward line. And that's without including Rooney.

I think we've "stood still" for years in the midfield department. We're losing players, not getting them in.

The same, in a shorter timescale, is true for LB. Fabio/Josh out, Evra ageing, and no cover.
 
I assume, as some have already mentioned, that our first offer wasnt close to 30 mil. Just like what we did with RvP we probably made a bid well below from what the other club fancies and aren't willing to up our bid.
At least that wouldnt surprise me.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
I suspect we don't desperately want him...nor should we could considering we're well stocked in that department.
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Impossible to tell without knowing the full details. But it seems as though we've made quite an effort which makes me think we do desperately want him, and this has nothing to do with the players we have in his position and everything to do with his talent.
 
Sarni said:
For £30m we could buy pretty much any left back and most midfielders in the world. For example I believe someone like Moutinho wouldn't cost more than £25m.
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If Fergie wanted Moutinho, or any other midfielder, he'd have bought, or at least bid, for one. If we don't buy Lucas, it's not going to free funds for another player in another position. The money will stay in the bank until it's used to buy back a few more bonds.
 
marjen said:
Kagawa/Welbeck/Hernandez/Berbatov(for the moment) is quite a ferocious forward line. And that's without including Rooney.

I think we've "stood still" for years in the midfield department. We're losing players, not getting them in.

The same, in a shorter timescale, is true for LB. Fabio/Josh out, Evra ageing, and no cover.
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100% agree mate.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Wouldn't surprise me. I can't see Lucas' club not accepting a bigger offer. That would be daft.
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The thing is, all United have confirmed is that they've "shown an interest" which considering Fergie usually doesn't start talking about players until we've basically signed them. sounds more like a feeble attempt to stir up a few season ticket renewals than any kind of serious interest.

It's very easy for Newspapers to get hold of or have false figures leaked to them. It's funny how people always read into the numbers when they almost always end up being miles wide of the mark.

Inter on the other hand are talking quite seriously about signing him. I'd guess United either aren't serious at all or have their heads buried in the sand again....or just don't have the money to compete in the current market.
 
Will Absolute said:
If Fergie wanted Moutinho, or any other midfielder, he'd have bought, or at least bid, for one. If we don't buy Lucas, it's not going to free funds for another player in another position. The money will stay in the bank until it's used to buy back a few more bonds.
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Yeah, I think so too, I just pointed out that it is possible to sign a very good midfielder or left back for that kind of money. I think we are done spending in this window unless we manage to get Baines for a decent price, around £10m and not £15m+ Everton seem to want.
 
Sao Paulo vice-president Joao Paulo de Jesus Lopes has denied reports which claimed the club had agreed a deal with Inter Milan for Lucas Moura.


The Brazilian teenager is garnering a lot of attention around with world with Manchester United heavily linked with a move for the player.

United are known to have tabled an offer for Moura but it fell some way short of Sao Paulo's valuation and they looked set to miss out on the target when it was reported that a deal had been struck with Inter Milan.

Indeed, it was claimed that Moura only had to agree personal terms with the Serie A outfit, but Paulo de Jesus Lopes insists this is not the case.

"I'm not aware of this information. I was with (Sao Paulo president) Juvenal Juvenicio (Wednesday and Thursday)," he told Lancenet.

"We sat only to negotiate with Manchester United, but their offer was not good enough."

Moura has stated he will only make a decision on his future after the London Olympics.
 
Drifter said:
Sao Paulo vice-president Joao Paulo de Jesus Lopes has denied reports which claimed the club had agreed a deal with Inter Milan for Lucas Moura.


The Brazilian teenager is garnering a lot of attention around with world with Manchester United heavily linked with a move for the player.

United are known to have tabled an offer for Moura but it fell some way short of Sao Paulo's valuation and they looked set to miss out on the target when it was reported that a deal had been struck with Inter Milan.

Indeed, it was claimed that Moura only had to agree personal terms with the Serie A outfit, but Paulo de Jesus Lopes insists this is not the case.

"I'm not aware of this information. I was with (Sao Paulo president) Juvenal Juvenicio (Wednesday and Thursday)," he told Lancenet.

"We sat only to negotiate with Manchester United, but their offer was not good enough."

Moura has stated he will only make a decision on his future after the London Olympics.
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Well, that puts that rumour to bed.

The Cafe gets all excited over nothing. Same old same old. :D
 
noodlehair said:
The thing is, all United have confirmed is that they've "shown an interest" which considering Fergie usually doesn't start talking about players until we've basically signed them. sounds more like a feeble attempt to stir up a few season ticket renewals than any kind of serious interest.

It's very easy for Newspapers to get hold of or have false figures leaked to them. It's funny how people always read into the numbers when they almost always end up being miles wide of the mark.

Inter on the other hand are talking quite seriously about signing him. I'd guess United either aren't serious at all or have their heads buried in the sand again....or just don't have the money to compete in the current market.
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Given we spent 50 million last summer we have the money to spend if we're willing to. But I wouldn't rule out us having done what you say. It is a possibility for me. Even if clubs don't/can't afford to make big money signings, they still do need to show that they can.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Given we spent 50 million last summer we have the money to spend if we're willing to. But I wouldn't rule out us having done what you say. It is a possibility for me. Even if clubs don't/can't afford to make big money signings, they still do need to show that they can.
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Sao Paulo have officially stated that we made a bid which fell short of their valuation. This conspiracy theory stuff that we only pretend to bid for players to appease the fans is very far-fetched.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Really hope that isn't the case.

It's strange. Fergie clearly is looking for someone who can hurt teams with his flair and dribbling ability. We've been interested in signing both Hazard and Lucas, both of whom are players of that mould. But at the same time, our most immediate need, you would think, is central midfield and left back. So with two spaces which we need to fill and one kind of player Fergie feels we could really do with, it's hard to see the logic behind not making signings.
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I don't understand why we aren't going to Porto and Real, and trying to get Moutinho and Coentrao.

Both mid 20's, centre midfielder and left back. I think they both played well at Euro 2012 with Portugal.

I know people (including myself at some points) get giddy over muppet signings like RVP and Lucas. But our main priorities should be LB and CM.
 
MUFCgal said:
I don't understand why we aren't going to Porto and Real, and trying to get Moutinho and Coentrao.

Both mid 20's, centre midfielder and left back. I think they both played well at Euro 2012 with Portugal.

I know people (including myself at some points) get giddy over muppet signings like RVP and Lucas. But our main priorities should be LB and CM.
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They should be our main priorities, but we all know how stubborn Fergie can be when it comes down to transfer targets and signing players we don't particularly need at the time.
 
Can't help but think this is a very dangerous time to be lax in the transfer market. We've just come off the back of being beaten by City to the title, and Chelsea look like they're really pulling their finger out in the transfer market.

Still, Fergie pulls this sort of thing all the time and comes off well mostly. It's easy to forget that there are genuinely about 6 or 7 players in the team that could easily go on to become absolutely top draw next season. The Brazilians, Welbeck, Smalling, Cleverley, Anderson, De Gea, Jones, Nani, etc...all of these have got at least another gear to move up into in the future. Nani could become one of the very best, and the rest could at the least become on the best in the league in their position next season. Fergie probably has a better idea of who will do what this season than we do.
 
Sarni said:
For £30m we could buy pretty much any left back and most midfielders in the world. For example I believe someone like Moutinho wouldn't cost more than £25m.
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The moment we step in for someone like that you can add on an extra 10mil. Werent they trying to fleece spurs for his signature to the tune of something like 35mil?

I think we will come back and meet the valuation.
 
Will Absolute said:
Sao Paulo have officially stated that we made a bid which fell short of their valuation. This conspiracy theory stuff that we only pretend to bid for players to appease the fans is very far-fetched.
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Yes but it isn't very far fetched to claim that the bid which is being taken as gospel by everyone isn't what we offered at all. There have been no quotes with regards to that, have there?
 
KanieKaned said:
The moment we step in for someone like that you can add on an extra 10mil. Werent they trying to fleece spurs for his signature to the tune of something like 35mil?

I think we will come back and meet the valuation.
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I'm not sure it's true anymore. At the end of the day our recent transfers were hardly overpaid, since Berbatov in 2008 we haven't broken £20m for a player.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yes but it isn't very far fetched to claim that the bid which is being taken as gospel by everyone isn't what we offered at all. There have been no quotes with regards to that, have there?
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Iirc there were quotes of a 35 million euro bid from us, and that this bid was turned down and/or is still being discussed.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Given we spent 50 million last summer we have the money to spend if we're willing to. But I wouldn't rule out us having done what you say. It is a possibility for me. Even if clubs don't/can't afford to make big money signings, they still do need to show that they can.
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I just think that with the timing of it, and also that it's not a position we'd particularly prioritise. Fergie would have to think he's pretty special to make him any kind of serious big money priority...it's a gamble in itself whether he'd even settle in Manchester. We only paid about £12m for Ronaldo remember.

Plus it really is pointless trying to read things from who's offered what amount, since more often than not someone's just made the numbers up.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Iirc there were quotes of a 35 million euro bid from us, and that this bid was turned down and/or is still being discussed.
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I must have missed that. Can you post it? All I've read is ambiguous statements about bids and valuation, and papers putting up the 30 million figure constantly.

noodlehair said:
I just think that with the timing of it, and also that it's not a position we'd particularly prioritise. Fergie would have to think he's pretty special to make him any kind of serious big money priority...it's a gamble in itself whether he'd even settle in Manchester. We only paid about £12m for Ronaldo remember.
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Unless I see quotes I'm open minded with regards to this. I do think the club, even if it can't afford to spend so big on the player, has to show that it can. That might include testing the waters a little with regards to some big players or stirring up some transfer stories to get fan's excited. I can see clubs doing that for sure. Whether we have in this case, I really couldn't say. From the quotes it does seem as though we have tabled a bid in this case. The question is how much.
 
noodlehair said:
I just think that with the timing of it, and also that it's not a position we'd particularly prioritise. Fergie would have to think he's pretty special to make him any kind of serious big money priority...it's a gamble in itself whether he'd even settle in Manchester. We only paid about £12m for Ronaldo remember.

Plus it really is pointless trying to read things from who's offered what amount, since more often than not someone's just made the numbers up.
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Tp be fair we've outbidded everyone for Ronaldo. I still remember the Italian media critics laughing at us for spending an astounding 12m (quite a sum at that time) for some kid in Portugal who can dribble.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Unless I see quotes I'm open minded with regards to this. I do think the club, even if it can't afford to spend so big on the player, has to show that it can. That might include testing the waters a little with regards to some big players or stirring up some transfer stories to get fan's excited. I can see clubs doing that for sure. Whether we have in this case, I really couldn't say. From the quotes it does seem as though we have tabled a bid in this case. The question is how much.
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The quotes from Brazil seem to suggest some level of genuine interest, but again no numbers mentioned so it's not really possible to know the situation fully or just how serious we are.

Even if we have big money to spend I just can't see it being on a 19 year old winger from Brazil...we'd have to have him marked down as a cert for being a long term top player for us to pay silly money...and that's before you consider that he'd be moving to the other side of the world.

To be fair, when we've paid big money for kids, I don't think Fergie's got it wrong yet. I'm with marjen a bit though...we desperately need a midfielder and have left ourselves short at left fullback, so it's a bit hard to make sense of. We already have the best set of wingers in the league, and arguably the best set of attacking players....and only arguably because of City spending absolute daft money on everyone.
 
noodlehair said:
The quotes from Brazil seem to suggest some level of genuine interest, but again no numbers mentioned so it's not really possible to know the situation fully or just how serious we are.

Even if we have big money to spend I just can't see it being on a 19 year old winger from Brazil...we'd have to have him marked down as a cert for being a long term top player for us to pay silly money...and that's before you consider that he'd be moving to the other side of the world.

To be fair, when we've paid big money for kids, I don't think Fergie's got it wrong yet. I'm with marjen a bit though...we desperately need a midfielder and have left ourselves short at left fullback, so it's a bit hard to make sense of. We already have the best set of wingers in the league, and arguably the best set of attacking players....and only arguably because of City spending absolute daft money on everyone.
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I actually don't think another attacker would be too much. If you look at our squad, out of our attackers only Nani is uber-comfortable with the ball at feet. And I guess now Kagawa as well. Having a third such player would be something we could do with IMO. The rest of our attackers have other great qualities.

So I do see the point in us going for Hazard and then Lucas. Comparing us to the other top teams, Real are full of players that are great technically. Barca are pretty much like that throughout their squad. We have more grit and defensive ability then them but we can always look to improve the technical level of our team. We have 3 good wide players, but only one of them is a genuine dribbler i.e one who can manipulate the ball in very tight spaces.

But no doubt the areas that actually need improvement are left back and central midfield.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I actually don't think another attacker would be too much. If you look at our squad, out of our attackers only Nani is uber-comfortable with the ball at feet. And I guess now Kagawa as well. Having a third such player would be something we could do with IMO. The rest of our attackers have other great qualities.

So I do see the point in us going for Hazard and then Lucas. Comparing us to the other top teams, Real are full of players that are great technically. Barca are pretty much like that throughout their squad. We have more grit and defensive ability then them but we can always look to improve the technical level of our team. We have 3 good wide players, but only one of them is a genuine dribbler i.e one who can manipulate the ball in very tight spaces.

But no doubt the areas that actually need improvement are left back and central midfield.
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Lucas and kagawa, seem to point towards a change of system by Fergie, or at least the way we setup, he knows we are good at soaking up teams, but with kagawa`s ability to thread throughballs quickly, a player like Lucas, could produce a hammer blow to a big team, if you look back at Chelsea vs Barca, it was Ramirez's pace and dribbling that produced the hammer blow to Barca. Maybe Fergie is giving Powell and Tunnecliffe a chance to stake a claim for a midfield spot, or maybe even Dembele if we are in for him, before he buys big if needed in January ,for the midfield department.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Perhaps he's the next big thing? I still think Fergie got a bit of a blind spot for quality midfielders post 90s.
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That would be fair of recent times for sure. We've signed some great central defenders, fullbacks, wide players and strikers since even 2000. In central midfield Carrick is the only good one I can think of in that time.
 
It seems nowadays that before the actual transfer takes place, it has at least been agreed 5 times in the papers and 10 times on twitter beforehand... and even then the end result is that the move is to an entirely different club.

Funny stuff.
 
If this deal goes through, and bearing in mind that our net spend is £40m would that mean we have to sell i.e Nani?
 
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