Lucas da Silva | Signed for PSG

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devilish said:
If you read the posts during that time you'll doubt whether people knew about that or at least gave such thing the consideration it deserved. Fair play to them, this is a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion. However my claims were neither unintelligent nor deserving the negative attitude it attracted. There were solid arguments which people in the football's sector shared beforehand.

Regarding checks, well, sometimes they surprise me. I mean every single Serie A fan knew that Taibi was crap and Veron was an injury prone player. Mind you Im not criticizing United in particular here, in fact, every club had signed cock ups which proved massive failures. For example Spending 35m on Carroll is hilarious. My point is, that shelving any concerns just because 'a player had been scouted' is a weak argument indeed, especially when one considers our success rate in terms of Brazilian talent.
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Its because you repeated it consistently. It's just opinions. For every Ronaldo out there, is a Heskey. Yes it's a risk.....what more can anyone say? Let's not sign him? What if he becomes a top player? You can buy anyone you like and they could get an injury in the first minute and never play for the club again...if we thought like that, we wouldn't buy anyone. We'd just promote from within
 
In my opinion the situation is pretty simple. Sao Paolo and Moura's agent are eyeing for more money either from us or from any other club. Fair play to them. Lucas is England at the moment, playing in a tournament which tend to attract scouts to it. Not to forget that Inter's financial situation (they need to sell before they actually buy big) is blocking a potential suitor from spending the dosh on him, so they are biding time and see what will happen. United on the other hand are sitting tight. They know that their offer is good and that it would be hard for Sao Paolo and his agent to refuse it.

I believe that its a frustrating and risky game for both clubs. If another big club comes in for him then United will be involved in an auction which would complicate things further. If no club goes for him then they'll get Moura at the right price. Let us not forget that SAF may have other targets in mind + a limited budget to work on and with Berba's deal getting nasty, its not easy for a manager to work around things.

Honestly I haven't lost hope about this deal. The fact that Moura is not setting the Olympics alight plays to our favor + there are rumors that our main rivals (Inter) are setting sight on other targets. However things can change by any minute.
 
Striker10 said:
Its because you repeated it consistently. It's just opinions. For every Ronaldo out there, is a Heskey. Yes it's a risk.....what more can anyone say? Let's not sign him? What if he becomes a top player? You can buy anyone you like and they could get an injury in the first minute and never play for the club again...if we thought like that, we wouldn't buy anyone. We'd just promote from within
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When you have people who constantly twist your words, its easy to fall into a loop. Lets say that I 'interpret' (either unintentionally or intentionally (probably the latter)) that you said that Heskey = Ronaldo, wouldn't you try to explain yourself? I would.

Anyway each deal is a calculated risk. If Moura's cost was 10m then Id say that we would be stupid not to get him there and then. However 30m are big money.
 
Sao Paulo vice president: "I can say that we have not yet received any official offer from Inter for Lucas, nor have we received any information about any proposal from them,"
"With regards to the offers from Manchester United and Real Madrid, we are studying them internally. We cannot say anything else for obvious reasons.
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The Inter sporting director Marco Branca met yesterday afternoon with the President of Sao Paulo, Juvenal Juvencio, and formalized an offer for Lucas: 25 million. He heard an apology from the president are, Pauline, along with information that Lucas may not be sold for this amount, because St. Paul has turned down better offers from Manchester United and Anzhi, Russia. The conversation progressed.

The president of Sao Paulo asked the director of the Inter esporivo on the crisis in Italy. He asked if there is a light in sight and not heard an answer. Marco White does not see the end of the dark period of European football, and Italian in particular. The difference between last month and now is the time that Luke was seduced by the proposal from Manchester United. Long ago, said that his desire was to stay in Sao Paulo until the World Cup 2014. Today, thinks differently. In a recent meeting with the president of Sao Paulo, Juvenal Juvencio, the parents of Lucas made ​​clear the desire to play for Manchester United.

He heard that there are better proposal, the Anzhi - in fact, the Russian club not formalized the offer, but indicated they can talk up the value offered by Manchester United. Luke's parents responded that Luke did not want to go to Russia. But you want to play for Manchester United. This may mean that St. Paul accepted any new onslaught of Manchester United, if it exists after the Olympics.

Extracts from: http://espn.estadao.com.br/post/272...-ao-brasil-por-lucas-e-volta-a-italia-com-nao
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ESPN Brazil
 
I stand by what I said a while ago. When Fergie name drops it usually a very good sign. The player usually ends up at united. I know he mention players like Villa,Benzema etc in the past but that was after the transfer was dead.
 
Surely that statement is in relation to him Having a desire to play for us over the Russians? If Madrid and Inter are genuinely interested, how many are still optimistic that we'd be his first choice destination?
 
Garethw said:
Surely that statement is in relation to him Having a desire to play for us over the Russians? If Madrid and Inter are genuinely interested, how many are still optimistic that we'd be his first choice destination?
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Well we'd definitely be above inter, and I think we are more interested in him than real is, and it would probably be easier for him to break into our team than into madrids, which is another plus for us. If we are still in for him than I think we will end up getting him, but I'm not entirely convinced that we still want him.
 
Hold on you potential wankers.
Brazil have gone through to the quarters. Its serious now. Dont expect much to happen till the Olympics are on.
 
Oh feck me shitless, time to f.a.p, again. Cocks out!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can't believe all you muppets are revising your opinions after one game of football.

Well, I say I can't believe but I can actually... It's depressingly predictable...
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I wasn't revising my opinion on him, Pogue (if that as directed at me). I was giving my impressions based on what I saw in that one game. It's not even an opinion. First impressions, if you will. A proper judgement or opinion of/on his talent can only be formed after seeing him a hell of a lot.
 
KingEric7 said:
Agreed. A poster up there was saying Rooney looked raw, but I think he was perhaps one of the least 'raw' teenagers I've ever seen. He was genuinely about 6 or 7 years ahead of where he should've been at. Ronaldo was less impressive, but his dribbling, control and technique were still fantastic.

As for Nani, no matter how infuriating he was when we first got him, he was so well rounded technically. He's always had one of the best first touches, shots and dribbling styles in the team and, even though he's not at the peak of his powers yet, there is a very clear avenue for him to go down in order to become an absolute superstar.

On early impressions, I cannot see the same variety of attributes in Lucas that these three possessed at the respective stages of their career. If people start to suss out Lucas' dribbling, what sort of threat and player are we looking at? This is not to dismiss him (I've not seen him enough to be overly damning), just airing a few concerns. No matter what people say about price and how it is irrelevant from our point of view, it is significant. If we sign Lucas for £30m and we're approaching the 4th season thinking "maybe it'll be his year', we'll be getting a bit edgy. Lucas too, I should imagine.

Still, it goes without saying that I'll be wanking furiously if we sign him, and that if Fergie is willing to spend such huge sums on him, then he probably knows a feck-tonne more than I do about how good he'll be and how likely it is that he'll become a world beater.
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I guess we have too little base a proper discussion on. From all accounts he seems very highly rated. I didn't think he particularly stood out the other day which someone were prepared to shell out so much should. But it is one game.

Also, Ronaldo wasn't that well rounded as a young player. He was quick and a great dribblr. What he fell back on was something you'd never have thought he'd develop - great goalscoring. So I think you can't hold that against Lucas if you're right about him.
 
Ronaldo's touch and technique were always quality from what I remember, and by the same token I remember him being a good header of the ball (it was his positioning that made him capitalise on this as he developed, although there was still an improvement technically). Combine that with his general flair and you had a fairly well rounded youngster for me, albeit fairly erratic. It took him ages to score his first goal though (a free kick that was meant to be a cross, wasn't it?).

Perhaps what can be said about Lucas, and again it is based on nothing like what we had to go off in regards to Rooney and Ronaldo, is that the combination of his dribbling and pace may provide a strength greater than any attribute the other two had at a similar age. Saying that, I seem to remember Fergie saying Rooney's ability to turn and run at the man was the best he'd ever seen in a youngster!

I dunno, I think I'm just getting concerned because it seems such an exciting signing that I can't help but feel it's bound to go wrong. There's no reason why Lucas shouldn't considerably improve other facets of his game as he develops, although other posters will be better positioned to tell us what actually needs improving.
 
Sounds like Inter have had a €25m bid rejected for him. Pitiful bid seeing as though we allegedly bid €10m more before the % change and it was turned down. EPSN Brazil claim that his parents want him to join United :devil:
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I guess we have too little base a proper discussion on. From all accounts he seems very highly rated. I didn't think he particularly stood out the other day which someone were prepared to shell out so much should. But it is one game.

Also, Ronaldo wasn't that well rounded as a young player. He was quick and a great dribblr. What he fell back on was something you'd never have thought he'd develop - great goalscoring. So I think you can't hold that against Lucas if you're right about him.
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If we do sign him, it won't be based on a few YouTube videos, reports go back a few years that United had scouts watching him, so we have definitely done our homework on him, and if recent fergie signings are anything to go by, we would have the explosive player we need.
 
I don't want to disturb you, guys, but tell me, how can you enjoy such a transfer saga?
 
Woodzy said:
I still fear the worst if there's genuine interest from Madrid.
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If Madrid have bought Modric then there is no chance. Real are one of the clubs on the most dodgy ground with FFP. The best they can get is possibly a first choice and an agreement for next season. I think Sao Paulo want the money this summer, they know his stock is high right now.
 
Godfather said:
The Hazard one was a pretty good by all means. News almost every day. This one is much more slow. I blame the Olympics...feckin Olympics.
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It was going great guns until the olympics. I'd gety involved some more but apprently it's tedious if i do.
 
Godfather said:
The Hazard one was a pretty good by all means. News almost every day. This one is much more slow. I blame the Olympics...feckin Olympics.
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That was such a good saga because Hazard made it fun and entertaining via his Twitter account.
 
SkySports 24 reporting that Inter's offer for €27m+add-ons (total 32m) is accepted. Which obviously means no sense as apparently our higher offers were rejected by them.
 
So are these new Inter investors going the full sugar-daddy route then? At least they picked a team in a league that can be bought in more ways than one.
 
Well then if we do want him I'd imagine we'd match that quite easily. Still not convinced we are completely serious about him.
 
KM said:
SkySports 24 reporting that Inter's offer for €27m+add-ons (total 32m) is accepted. Which obviously means no sense as apparently our higher offers were rejected by them.
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Maybe we offered less then that.
 
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