The contract part of this post kind of contradicts itself. If Lucas wants to go to United then he can give up his percentage in the transfer and the full fee can go to Sao Paulo, in which case they might accept what was already offered. Why would the player give up the 30% for a new contract at Sao Paulo when he could give up his percentage in order to move to United?
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The contract part of this post kind of contradicts itself. If Lucas wants to go to United then he can give up his percentage in the transfer and the full fee can go to Sao Paulo, in which case they might accept what was already offered. Why would the player give up the 30% for a new contract at Sao Paulo when he could give up his percentage in order to move to United?
it depends how much he wants to go to united
sadly usually money > desire to join united
with his contract length the power is in the hands of the club
http://www.click-manchester.com/spo...lucas-welcomes-manchester-united-pursuit.html
"Sao Paulo youngster Lucas Moura has admitted he is pleased Manchester United are interested in him.
The Brazil Olympics sensation is a major target for United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
"I'm really glad to know the interest of Manchester United, a large and important club, with fantastic facilities”, Lucas is quoted by Fcinternews.it.
“Now, however, I do not want to think about what may be in my future.
"After London I'll decide, my agent and my dad are working on it."
"Sao Paulo youngster Lucas Moura has admitted he is pleased Manchester United are interested in him.
The Brazil Olympics sensation is a major target for United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
"I'm really glad to know the interest of Manchester United, a large and important club, with fantastic facilities”, Lucas is quoted by Fcinternews.it.
“Now, however, I do not want to think about what may be in my future.
"After London I'll decide, my agent and my dad are working on it."
interesting
I love how players try to act like they haven't made a decision and yet set a date on which they'll decide.
You don't know what you want but you know when you'll want it? If you say so!
You don't know what you want but you know when you'll want it? If you say so!
Just how good is this guy actually? I've seen him a couple of times, albeit only seen glimpses of him in action, but I cant see that he's that a good player he is hailed as. Enlighten me please.
Well he's only 19 years old so of course he is nowhere near the finished product yet. He's incredibly fast, one of the fastest I've ever seen (faster than Walcott it seems like to me) but he's also got some really good dribbling. His first touch is a bit bi-polar, in that it can be brilliant at times but just meh at other times. Every time he gets the ball though you expect him to make something happen, and he's a player that would strike fear into the opponents.
I read someone compared him to a Valencia on acid, which is kind of true actually. He's like a younger version of what Valencia would be if he was more confident to always take on his man and cut inside, go for goal instead of always crossing. For a small player he's got really good balance as well. He's a raw player though, but even at 30m I feel under Sir Alex to guide him he'd be more than worth it, and we could turn him into one of the best players in the world.
Also a little side note, I've only seen him for Brazil, and he only plays as a right winger for them but he drifts over to the left occasionally, and football manager says that the left wing position is his primary position (I know it's fm but they usually now their positions at least). They also say he can play as an attacking mid/ in the hole but I've never seen him play there.
There are also plenty of his full match compilations on youtube, which is a good way to get an opinion on him.
My initial disagreement was with you that it wasn't so simple that just because Hulk the 30 million pound player was ahead of him he wasn't starting, what I was trying to get at was that, that scenario happened because Lucas didn't grasp his chances to establish himself into the Brazilian NT before the olympics.
No long winded way of saying something, it was a straight forward observation.
He just seems a bit underwhelming for 30million squids. But he is indeed zippy.
The question is if he is playing on the right, why get him as we will still have quite a few more years with Valencia.
Well you could say the same about Kagawa right? Why get him when we have Rooney playing there for a few more years? Fergie is building for the future and he deems Lucas important. Maybe he could be backup for Kagawa or he could be played on the wing. What ever happens, I am thrilled we got Kagawa and will be even more thrilled if we get Lucas.
So he can ease himself in? Provide competition and backup? Take the starting spot in the future? Another way to look at it is if he is worth 30m now, what will be his price like if and when he improves? So in that sense, it could be more worthwhile to buy him now rather than in the future. Of course with all young players you run the Quaresma risk happening.
At 30million you expect some finished product. He looks very raw and a couple of years before he is ready.
Also there are no guarantees that he will improve or fit in -- look at the recent purchase made by Fergie that's over 25+million. Only real success is Rooney. Berba, Veron etc. Great players but just didn't fit into our system or poor timing coming into our club.
My point is whether the money is better spent else where... holding midfielder? (unless we see Ando being permanently stuck there with rumours that he has lost a bit of his speed and therefore has been re-position further back.)
After watching him a decent few times now, my only concern is whether or not he has the all-round game to compensate for a drop in confidence or some other factor. He's no Heskey clearly, but what if his dribbling deteriorates for one reason or another? What if we try and drill a football brain into him only for it to hinder his ability to dribble, or what if his confidence takes a massive hit coming up against better defenders under greater pressure? The difference in Rooney and Ronaldo's dribbling ability since joining us is massive, yet they had the all-round game to compensate for the loss in directness...is Lucas this sort of player?
Very speculative, but it's not an unreasonable worry. He looks a fantastic youngster with a lot of potential, but I'm terrified that we're going to blow an obscene amount of money on him only for him to become more hesitant, restrained, etc whilst not actually improving enough in a technical sense to make up for it.
Very speculative, but it's not an unreasonable worry. He looks a fantastic youngster with a lot of potential, but I'm terrified that we're going to blow an obscene amount of money on him only for him to become more hesitant, restrained, etc whilst not actually improving enough in a technical sense to make up for it.
He reminds me of a young Nani, lots of natural talent and ability but prone to footballing brainfarts.
When we signed Rooney for a similar figure he was still very raw. Sometimes it is worth the risk if you feel that a player is a potential gem. At the moment Lucas seems to be getting praise and criticism (probably the wrong word but let's say being questioned about how good he is). It's one of those players that I think sir Alex COULD turn into the next Ronaldo, at least in that ball park. Lucas has fantastic dribbling ability, great balance and can score goals.
His biggest problem is overplaying things sometimes, a la young Ronaldo. If he could learn to make the right option he would be deadly. As someone asked earlier, why sign him if we have Valencia? Well simply because Sir Alex thinks he can produce a world class player to take over Valencias mantle in the future
Rooney wasnt that raw -- plus he was already starting for Everton.... unless you were referring to his GMILF sex?
Looked raw...kinda reminded me of a technically better Theo Walcott to be honest.
It's Glazers regime now.
I dont think we can fork out over £20m for him. Unless Berba can leave for £10m or more, I cant see us pay £30m for Lucas.
I dont think we can fork out over £20m for him. Unless Berba can leave for £10m or more, I cant see us pay £30m for Lucas.
He looked a bit average yesterday. Not that I'm taking it as a representation of his ability but when you spend 30 million on a kid he should stand out.
It seems that my concerns were valid after all.
"At xxm, you expect some finished product"
What utter bullshit. That might be the case for players at their peak, but he's still 19. We pay for potential. And even if he takes his time to improve and mature, he would still terrorize defenders with his pace and dribbling ability.
What utter bullshit. That might be the case for players at their peak, but he's still 19. We pay for potential. And even if he takes his time to improve and mature, he would still terrorize defenders with his pace and dribbling ability.
Yeah but incredible potential. Rooney was frighteningly good as a teenager. Ronaldo wasn't as complete but his potential looked ridiculous. When you spend 30 million on a kid it really should be someone who at least now looks like he'll be phenomenal in a few years time. Not necessarily one who makes their sort of impact but one that stands out as special.
Can't believe all you muppets are revising your opinions after one game of football.
Well, I say I can't believe but I can actually... It's depressingly predictable...
Well, I say I can't believe but I can actually... It's depressingly predictable...
Agreed. A poster up there was saying Rooney looked raw, but I think he was perhaps one of the least 'raw' teenagers I've ever seen. He was genuinely about 6 or 7 years ahead of where he should've been at. Ronaldo was less impressive, but his dribbling, control and technique were still fantastic.
As for Nani, no matter how infuriating he was when we first got him, he was so well rounded technically. He's always had one of the best first touches, shots and dribbling styles in the team and, even though he's not at the peak of his powers yet, there is a very clear avenue for him to go down in order to become an absolute superstar.
On early impressions, I cannot see the same variety of attributes in Lucas that these three possessed at the respective stages of their career. If people start to suss out Lucas' dribbling, what sort of threat and player are we looking at? This is not to dismiss him (I've not seen him enough to be overly damning), just airing a few concerns. No matter what people say about price and how it is irrelevant from our point of view, it is significant. If we sign Lucas for £30m and we're approaching the 4th season thinking "maybe it'll be his year', we'll be getting a bit edgy. Lucas too, I should imagine.
Still, it goes without saying that I'll be wanking furiously if we sign him, and that if Fergie is willing to spend such huge sums on him, then he probably knows a feck-tonne more than I do about how good he'll be and how likely it is that he'll become a world beater.
They would be.Wonder if we used the old charm offensive , showing him around OT , whether that will be enough , we'll have to wait and see.
They were but your being unintelligent about it. What if he has a stormer next game? The fact is we'd be buying potential.....everyone knows that. If Sir Alex is willing to go that high, people trust sir alex over someone stating what is obvious...
It's whether you're willing to invest that much for a player who could be worth 50m (randomly thrown figure) in the future. If he reaches the heights of Ronaldo the 30m would seem a bargain.
Of course it could be spent elsewhere but who would you get? Is there any guarantee you can fetch a 'better' price for that player? It's all well and good to say the money should've been spent on another player for X amount but reality doesn't always meet expectations (especially for fans).
The figures being thrown around are all guess work anyway. Most deals are now done without the fees disclosed but all it takes is for one journalist to cock up a sum and every other paper will follow suit and repeated on many fans' lips until everyone is convinced that that is the actual price paid. Monkey see monkey do and all that...
I think that we should be worried about the rumours that some of the Sao Paulo board are unhappy that the lad has not been shown the door already for the fee that we were offering.
We should be trying to sign Cazorla. He played 38 leagues games last year and by all accounts he is a proven and fabulous footballer in his peak years.
We should be trying to sign Cazorla. He played 38 leagues games last year and by all accounts he is a proven and fabulous footballer in his peak years.
Oh do people still think we are in with a chance of signing this cnut? Fair enough I will play along, what does he think of gingham? How long until it becomes official then?
I only said that 30m for an 19 yr old who had never stepped out of the Brazilian league was a gamble. The same argument was echoed by various legends and journalists including one whose been following the Brazilian league for the past decade or so and is not tied to his performances during the Olympics. What was unintelligent about that?
What I believe it was stupid was the fact that some believed that I wanted this deal to fail. I never said that.
If it was Gary Neville, then he might be off to Arsenal
Yes but do you think the club and the people here don't know that? It don't matter how many people echo it. People here already know that. No right minded person would want it to fail, especially if he comes good. We have to trust the bosses judgement. He will have done lots of background checks in terms of character and he will believe he can mould the player. You don't spend that money to put in reserves or loan out in a year. So he would have a good a chance as any, if he applied himself.
Sporting were happy to sell us Ronaldo for just over 12million...
and at the time everyone thought that Quaresma was the better talent.
Very true.
Ain't never gonna happen and never was
If you read the posts during that time you'll doubt whether people knew about that or at least gave such thing the consideration it deserved. Fair play to them, this is a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion. However my claims were neither unintelligent nor deserving the negative attitude it attracted. There were solid arguments which people in the football's sector shared beforehand.
Regarding checks, well, sometimes they surprise me. I mean every single Serie A fan knew that Taibi was crap and Veron was an injury prone player. Mind you Im not criticizing United in particular here, in fact, every club had signed cock ups which proved massive failures. For example Spending 35m on Carroll is hilarious. My point is, that shelving any concerns just because 'a player had been scouted' is a weak argument indeed, especially when one considers our success rate in terms of Brazilian talent.
Well, it would already have happened if our offer had been accepted, which many board members at Sao Paulo favoured.
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