Actually its easier to hide things now (sole ownership) then during the plc times when every transfer had to be declared and approved by shareholders. The truth is that we falling down the pecking order. The likes of shitty chelsea and psg had joined the list of elites capable of outbidding us (real etc). Not to forget that the so called smaller sides (spurs etc) can afford to refuse our bids.
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Actually its easier to hide things now (sole ownership) then during the plc times when every transfer had to be declared and approved by shareholders. The truth is that we falling down the pecking order. The likes of shitty chelsea and psg had joined the list of elites capable of outbidding us (real etc). Not to forget that the so called smaller sides (spurs etc) can afford to refuse our bids.
What he means is you find out about every "failed" transfer now, rather than the ones that actually go through.
David de Gea
Phil Jones
Jonny Evans
Anderson
Chris Smalling
Nani
Danny Welbeck
Rafael
Fabio
Tom Cleverley
All young players who have established themselves in United's squad the last 7-8 years.
Who wanted? United? You? The papers?
I find it hard to believe you are "in the know" is it were, as to who exactly we are after.
So we can sign players now and not tell anybody? Cunning.
Platini will make a nice little loop hole that only French Clubs can use knowing the garlic smelling, slimey foooktard that he is.
I remember the Robben transfer , when the club came in with their valuation of the player PSV were furious, that's what we do , dictate to clubs how much we think a player is worth and stick to it , hardly negotiation.
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but out of that list only Nani & recently Rafael, perhaps Welbeck, really count as established.
Ooops & DDG
looks like Sao Paoulo is using their mates in Leandro and Morrotti, to pressure, but if Lucas wants us he will come regardless
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but out of that list only Nani & recently Rafael, perhaps Welbeck, really count as established.
Ooops & DDG
No, they are all established squad players.
That is negotiating mate. They tell you how much they want we tell them how much we are willing to pay. Valuation is subjective at the end of the day, something or in this case someone is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.
I can put my house up for a million quid and no-one casn tell me i don't value it at that. But if no-one will come close to paying that price you either have to accept a lower offer or take it off the market.
If PSG are really paying 45m Euros for him, then there's no need to blame the Glazers or the agents for it. It's a ridiculously large money and I don't think we should pay it either.
Told you not to.
Half of them are injured half the time tbf...
Did i said that?
Doesn't lucas fit under that category?! I think Sao Paulo have been look for a PSG.. Shame we don't have the gile of a Real Madrid for Lucas to say he only wants to move to us.
Blame Bob Cass!
Under which one? I wouldn't class him as a current best, not at all. He's a ridiculous prospect and talent, hardly similar to when we've gone in for known and experienced top players.
There's not much you can do when another team is coming in and offering stupid money like PSG, if the reports are correct of course. By the sounds of it we seemed to be competing for his signature until they stepped in, and let's be honest, who else around the world is going to match their evaluation?
There's not much you can do when another team is coming in and offering stupid money like PSG, if the reports are correct of course. By the sounds of it we seemed to be competing for his signature until they stepped in, and let's be honest, who else around the world is going to match their evaluation?
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but out of that list only Nani & recently Rafael, perhaps Welbeck, really count as established.
Ooops & DDG
Yes but Jones and Smalling how just got here and played lots of games as well. Also Tom is getting his first chance after Wigan, a similar situation to Welbeck bare injury. I think the first two are pretty much on way to being established.
I agree. It's outrageous money for a 19 year old. They can have him.
I think we can all agree that E45M is way too much for Lucas. At the start of the saga, I posted that £30M was too much.
The real issue is how much separated our last bid and Sao Paulo's asking price. If we could have secured the player for a few million more, the question has to be asked why we didn't do so, rather than playing a 'long game', which, in the past, has almost invariably resulted in our discomfiture.
How much money do we save by playing hardball? 3/4 million for a club that made £111M profit last year.
You have to draw the line somewhere.
I seem to recall United had previously agreed a set fee and then later lowballed PSV. Is that not what really happened?
Absolutely
Shearer
Gascoinge
Anderton
Le Tissier
There's always going to be players we miss out on no matter how much we covert them. Thats life, we dont have a god given right to pick whoever we want regardless of anyone else
Ofcourse it could also happen that we agreed a fee with SP and then PSG blew us out of the water with their latest bid.
Don't forget that Lucas's agent get 30% of his fee so that means any increase in the fee will directly benefit Lucas and his agents.
yes, in that case we had agreed a fee then later faxed a lower fee. Peter bloody Kenyon. Surprise surpise, a couple of months later Kenyon was at Chelsea, followed a few months later by.. Robben
Kenyon knew what he was doing all along. Snake.
robben was even more 'done' than ronaldinho. father wanted him to come here, he toured OT, deal agreed, and then we got cute over 2-3 million quid.
Before the papers linked us with Lucas this summer, how many people here believed that this was the player we needed to take us to the next level for the upcoming season?
Every summer, we see the papers link us with a player that most people on here, either didn't previously feel we needed to sign, or hadn't seen play many full matches, or just as often, they hadn't even heard of the player. But the papers persist in creating rumours about us being interested in said player, when the truth may be that we in fact have no interest, and they do it solely to sell papers. But people on here will let themselves become invested in the idea of us signing this player, who they previously didn't think we needed, and when it turns out that we don't actually want the player, or aren't willing to pay the asking price, they hysterically claim that we've fecked up and that we're going to be shit next season without this player. A player they only became interested in once we were linked with them.
If we had never been linked with Lucas this summer, can I ask, how many people would have been posting in this thread saying that this is the player we need? And that we should offer whatever it takes to get him?
Every summer, we see the papers link us with a player that most people on here, either didn't previously feel we needed to sign, or hadn't seen play many full matches, or just as often, they hadn't even heard of the player. But the papers persist in creating rumours about us being interested in said player, when the truth may be that we in fact have no interest, and they do it solely to sell papers. But people on here will let themselves become invested in the idea of us signing this player, who they previously didn't think we needed, and when it turns out that we don't actually want the player, or aren't willing to pay the asking price, they hysterically claim that we've fecked up and that we're going to be shit next season without this player. A player they only became interested in once we were linked with them.
If we had never been linked with Lucas this summer, can I ask, how many people would have been posting in this thread saying that this is the player we need? And that we should offer whatever it takes to get him?
Is that you, Darren?
haha, i meant robben's father
I believe he was a very exciting prospect who could become something special purely based on reports I have read about him
We rarely sign players to plug an instant gap. 90% of the time they are players with great potential.
45m - better spent on Lucas or Neymar or another player?
Gotze?
Better spent on a midfielder and a left back.
In general not just by United's needs/desires.
If you own/operate a club and are willing to toss 45m on a young player, is Lucas that player?
If you own/operate a club and are willing to toss 45m on a young player, is Lucas that player?
If Lucas is 45m, Neymar would be 80m.
Agree with amol on Gotze, but he just signed a new contract til 2016.
Agree with amol on Gotze, but he just signed a new contract til 2016.
i love gotze but 45m, feck me. That is an insane valuation.
Isn't he supposed to be the best young player in the world? Neymar is the other one I hear about being hyped up that much but Gotze has proven himself in a bigger league I guess.
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