I was a bit surprised to read that recently myself, seems a great deal for top clubs but I can't believe any small club would be happy.
Also, I thought 90 minute rule gone now.
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I was a bit surprised to read that recently myself, seems a great deal for top clubs but I can't believe any small club would be happy.
Also, I thought 90 minute rule gone now.
I thought we'd eventually sign him. This is so disappointing 
What is disappointing?
It's not the players, its us - we patently don't do big transfers any more. If we'd had made the right offer to club and player he would have signed. Same for the rest of those we have 'missed out on'
As long as us not doing big transfers isn't eventually detrimental to the quality of the team.
By right offer, you mean the fee that sao paulo were demanding ie 45 m euros?
What have I missed?? where is he? am I going to be upset?
Poor old Bob Cass 
I don't think it is just the fee but the fee to the greedy agent. We do not seem to want to pay these. Pity other teams don't make a stand, but the money bag clubs won't. More fool them.
Yes I'm not saying its a bad thing, that's just the explanation. Ehansul was saying its because as a club we are not attractive - which is not the case
Cass that fecker... got everyone's hopes up.
Has something changed or has everyone just conceded defeat?
Read an interview with some Exeter-guy after we signed Sean Goss - where he claimed they would use that amount of money to improve their academy and lift it to Tier 2 (it would apparently cost £300.000 for them - so that transfer alone paid 1/3 of the entire sum.
This is like a game of Chinese whispers, except you lot are getting upset by what the people playing Buckaroo at the next table are saying.
Our recent failures suggest we're drawing it in the wrong place.
Do we want to go down the Arsenal path? Content to watch City/Chelsea hover up the best players, while we resign ourselves to fighting for third/fourth place in the Premiership?
A future where we continually fail to sign our targets, while making ever vaster profits,which remain unspent, and accumulate in our bank account, until eventually finding their way to the pockets of our owners. How is that a good thing?
Actually, it's clearly Phelan's fault. His tenure as Assistant roughly correlates with us not signing f@pworthy transfer targets any more. I think Berba was the last one who signed a couple of days before Phelan was officially promoted.
So there you go
So there you go
You seem to think there's some sort of disconnect between the owners and the decision to spend. As if we should spend it before the Glaziers pocket it.
My impression is that english clubs are not popular as italian or spanish clubs in south america. In other parts of the world, the situation maybe different but definitely that's the case in south america. The outcome of recent brazilian big transfers to manchester clubs - robinho and anderson - wont help either.
This PSG stuff is probably bullshit.
Either way, yea it is alarming that we never get our more ambitious targets I.e. non lower PL team players.
Either way, yea it is alarming that we never get our more ambitious targets I.e. non lower PL team players.
It's a terrible deal for the lower leagues. May even push some of them into administration.
That's a genius idea actually Brophs. Don't let the money touch the side of their pockets, get it spent.
That's a genius idea actually Brophs. Don't let the money touch the side of their pockets, get it spent.
Well it just ends up paying off our never lower interest, so we might as well spend it.
In our worst nightmares, United signing Charlie Adam and we're actually happy about it.
Times like these must never happen and club needs to really compete on the transfer market.
We'll soon see, how the club will respond to others interest in our transfer target.
Times like these must never happen and club needs to really compete on the transfer market.
We'll soon see, how the club will respond to others interest in our transfer target.
Some fans wanted Charlie Adam, god forbid. We should be capable of signing quality, or a least have a plan B when that player won't come to us.
Yet it brings the training into a single plan instead of them all running it their own way.
I don't believe the owners decide whether we should spend £29M or £33M on Lucas Moura. Logic dictates that decision is made by Gill/Fergie.
How do the Glazers know how much players are 'worth'. Or whether they're 'worth' a few million more or less? They may set a limit on overall spending, but they don't tell Fergie to spend £8M on Bebe, and £17m on Young, but to refrain from spending £33M on Moura.
Yup. Lucas Moura may be the plan B itself after cynical cashgrab turn in the Hazard's saga.
If somebody thinking about the future of his club it is surely SAF. I simply can't believe the biggest club in the world will give up, just because someone waves a lot of money in Paris.
We're not leaving this summer without a significant addition to the squad and that is for sure.
Sooner or later United will be forced to spend more, even if Sir Alex won't like this idea, much. it is obvious as international crisis.
I wonder what the thinking is, has there been a problem with teams holding out for huge fees and preventing top talent from getting them to the best clubs where they can make the most of their talent? Was it part of the rules meant to improve the England team, getting the best young English talent in the hands of the best teachers?
To be fair, it's the player and not the training methods of his team that are the main reason a player becomes someone a big team might want to buy. If it was the training methods, small teams would continue to produce top players instead of them being randomly spread around.
Yes, a player needs proper training to develop that talent, but it seems obvious to me that it's the player that separates himself from the rest to command such a fee. While a better player may train better and longer, he gets the same resources from the club a less talented player does. Does a club inherently deserve more money for offering those resources to a better player?
I'm playing devil's advocate here to an extent but I have to admit the argument makes some sense. Personally I don't see why football players should be different from other employees, who are free to leave their job and take another at any moment. I understand teams wanting to get a fee, but I'm not sure that's 'right'.
I'd view it much more in the realm of Fergie/Gill saying they want a player and what they think he's worth, open informal discussions with the other club, loosely discussing what they'll pay having discussed it with the Glaziers, agreeing a fee with the other club and then having the Glaziers sign off on it.
As for the rest, I don't know what drives these decisions, or why we stop at a certain point. If I had to guess it's because we believe that if we makes ourselves and easy mark for other clubs they'll continue to make us pay more and more.
But I'm absolutely sure it - at least in part - relates to where the profits we're making go if we don't spend it. It really just depends on how much Fergie pushes it, in my uneducated opinion. Because he's a parsimonious sort he probably makes it easy for them by not wanting to push the boat out. Though his refusal probably has less to do with wanting to service the debt than it does an overriding view on inherent values in the market.
There's an excellent article in Four Four Two from early-ish this year on this subject. If someone can find it and paste it I'd appreciate it, if not I can always scan it when I have a chance.
It's the death knell for the production of players down the leagues as we know it.
Meh could be fake interest to get to offer more money. After all, how will he play at PSG when they can only have 4 non-eu players and they already have Pastore, Lavezzi, Nene, Lugano, Maxwell, Silva and Bisevac.
I'm sure Maxwell and Bisevac have EU citizenships, but they still have a full quota of non-eu players.
I'm sure Maxwell and Bisevac have EU citizenships, but they still have a full quota of non-eu players.
Well this is what happens when you sign a young player for virtually peanuts and sell him for £80m. Clubs have revised what they can sell youngsters for.
Whats our quota of non eu players?
I bet Cass will be sat home now thinking "whops i did it again" #pillock
Good question. Dont forget the twins have Portuguese citizenship. We currenly have 5 non EU players?
This article suggests their is no restrictions.
http://academy-football.net/2012/05...-2012-reveal-problems-with-home-grown-talent/
Fergie is still in England, isnt he?
He is either slowly choking the life out of Cass, or he's at OT and will make Lucas sign tonight after the match.
He is either slowly choking the life out of Cass, or he's at OT and will make Lucas sign tonight after the match.
We don't have one, Spain and France both have quota's of non-eu players. How some African players can play in France and South American players in Spain and get passed the quotas due to various agreements etc etc.
Until he signs for PSG I will still believe Bob (although I am starting to wonder). I remember Phil Jones deal was reported to be in tatters and Liverpool had outbid us, but it was all crap. Who knows, maybe deal is done and is being kept under wraps until he finishes with the Brazil squad.
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