Lucas da Silva | Signed for PSG

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Don't even want us to go that high. Not really worth the money at all!

The above post will probably get bumped in a year or two when he becomes the first £100 million player in the world :D
 
The above post will probably get bumped in a year or two when he becomes the first £100 million player in the world :D

Or when he goes back on loan to some Brazilian club after getting homesick . ....
 
PSG have Menez, Lavezzi, Nene, Pastore and a young Italian starlet called Verratti playing in those three positions. They then have Gameiro Luyindula and Hoarau as cover for Zlatan at least.
That's some front 4 they'll have whether they add Lucas or not.

Not sure how the registration rules are in France but for the CL they only have two players over the the age of 21 who count as HG.

PSG have been talking to Valencia about the transfer of Gameiro for a while. So if they sign more attacking players I dont think he's going to be a factor

Isnt Veratti "the new pirlo" ? If so one would assume he's a central midfielder.
 
interestingly Powell plays in the same position as pogba while moura in that of morrison. Perhaps the departed 2 players featured heavily in fergie future plans?
 
interestingly Powell plays in the same position as pogba while moura in that of morrison. Perhaps the departed 2 players featured heavily in fergie future plans?

interesting observation, I genuinely thought Fergie's lack of investment prior to them two leaving was down to the expectant emergence of Pog/Rav. Now they've departed, I am bemused at the lack of investment. Maybe Powell & Lucas are direct replacements as part of the bigger, long-term plan he had in place this time last year...?
 
Reports now claiming that we've pulled out of the deal because his agent and family were demanding 6m.
 
Reports now claiming that we've pulled out of the deal because his agent and family were demanding 6m.

Families don't get money. More like his agent wants more money.

Nothing new here folks. The agent won't get what he wants from United. Pogba's didn't, Sneijder's didn't, Nasri's didn't, Hazard's didnt.

This deal is going to die if the agent want's a huge share.
 
interestingly Powell plays in the same position as pogba while moura in that of morrison. Perhaps the departed 2 players featured heavily in fergie future plans?

interesting observation, I genuinely thought Fergie's lack of investment prior to them two leaving was down to the expectant emergence of Pog/Rav. Now they've departed, I am bemused at the lack of investment. Maybe Powell & Lucas are direct replacements as part of the bigger, long-term plan he had in place this time last year...?

Not sure about Ravel, talented though he is, would SAF really rely on him like that - a ticking time bomb. But the way SAF came out about Pogba being a first team player and very important for our future makes me think the club (not just Pogba and his agent) were to blame for this fiasco. How can you look to build with a youth player so promising and not tie him up much sooner?

Anyhow, could turn out to be a blessing (though I do think Pogba will come good, hopefully not as good as many of us were expecting)...
 
Families don't get money. More like his agent wants more money.

Nothing new here folks. The agent won't get what he wants from United. Pogba's didn't, Sneijder's didn't, Nasri's didn't, Hazard's didnt.

This deal is going to die if the agent want's a huge share.

Maybe it's time we recognize the role of agents and give in to their demands somewhat to get what we want. Can't keep losing out on the players you feel will improve your team the most.
 
*bumps Charlie Adam thread*
 
interestingly Powell plays in the same position as pogba while moura in that of morrison. Perhaps the departed 2 players featured heavily in fergie future plans?

Moura plays the position of Park. And Powell the position of Gibson.

I guess Park and Gibson were going to have the team built around them until we got good offers for them
 
Maybe it's time we recognize the role of agents and give in to their demands somewhat to get what we want. Can't keep losing out on the players you feel will improve your team the most.

I'm not sure. Whilst it would be easier to pay-off the agents it would make life easier to sign players.

But the entire system doesn't make sense. You pay the agent a fee to sign, that's fine, it's a one-off transaction. But in Football, it's not. It's a repeated transaction. You have to keep on paying the damn agent over and over again for every contract. It's nonsense. It's inflationary. The economics of it wrong. If you started at a high fee, it will get worse and worse during every renegotiation. Not only that, you get higher fees for going 'external', that is, by the agent going to other clubs, he can get a higher fee himself. This is leading to players leaving a lot more. It's happening to players everywhere. The Rooney saga is a classic example. Nasri, Pogba, Modric, RvP. They are not leaving for footballing reasons. They are leaving to get better deals because their agents gain from the move.

I can definitely see why Sir Alex won't pay agents any more than he thinks is necessary.
 
It's also leading to agents manipulating their clients ie giving bad career advice. Never mind the clubs, who's really looking after players' interests? Yet again, the football authorities don't take care of the game.
 
Nothing on SSN.

So far, it's pile of bollocks made on top of other pile of recycled bollocks.
 
I'm not sure. Whilst it would be easier to pay-off the agents it would make life easier to sign players.

But the entire system doesn't make sense. You pay the agent a fee to sign, that's fine, it's a one-off transaction. But in Football, it's not. It's a repeated transaction. You have to keep on paying the damn agent over and over again for every contract. It's nonsense. It's inflationary. The economics of it wrong. If you started at a high fee, it will get worse and worse during every renegotiation. Not only that, you get higher fees for going 'external', that is, by the agent going to other clubs, he can get a higher fee himself. This is leading to players leaving a lot more. It's happening to players everywhere. The Rooney saga is a classic example. Nasri, Pogba, Modric, RvP. They are not leaving for footballing reasons. They are leaving to get better deals because their agents gain from the move.

I can definitely see why Sir Alex won't pay agents any more than he thinks is necessary.

Youre right. Unfortunately we wont be able to turn the tide alone and its only a matter of time before we yield to it (unless we want to keep losing talent).
 
Nothing on SSN.

So far, it's pile of bollocks made on top of other pile of recycled bollocks.

SSN is no more trustworthy of a source than the rest. Shortly after Bob Cass came out with his bollocks, SSN 'understood from their sources' we have agreed a deal.

Trolled by little Bob.
 
If we are going to refuse to pay the agents fees we may as well stop looking at these up and comers who are held in high regard, as nearly every one of them has a leech agent motherfecker working them like whores.
 
If we are going to refuse to pay the agents fees we may as well stop looking at these up and comers who are held in high regard, as nearly every one of them has a leech agent motherfecker working them like whores.

Yeah, it's all well having principles but it's not a case of showing those agents anything, they will just get that money from someone else and we're left without the player we want. The way football is heading such attitude will definitely hold us back.
 
If FIFA / UEFA are seriously concerned with the financial elements of the game, they should be setting up something to tackle the parasitic cancer that is the football agent
 
If we are going to refuse to pay the agents fees we may as well stop looking at these up and comers who are held in high regard, as nearly every one of them has a leech agent motherfecker working them like whores.

True, but it's a position that isn't wrong to hold right now.

Clearly there are some agents that United do trust: Mendes. This is why I think there is a better change for retaining Nani.
 
If FIFA / UEFA are seriously concerned with the financial elements of the game, they should be setting up something to tackle the parasitic cancer that is the football agent

The only thing the big heads in football are concerned about is the size of their own wallets
 
I'm not sure. Whilst it would be easier to pay-off the agents it would make life easier to sign players.

But the entire system doesn't make sense. You pay the agent a fee to sign, that's fine, it's a one-off transaction. But in Football, it's not. It's a repeated transaction. You have to keep on paying the damn agent over and over again for every contract. It's nonsense. It's inflationary. The economics of it wrong. If you started at a high fee, it will get worse and worse during every renegotiation. Not only that, you get higher fees for going 'external', that is, by the agent going to other clubs, he can get a higher fee himself. This is leading to players leaving a lot more. It's happening to players everywhere. The Rooney saga is a classic example. Nasri, Pogba, Modric, RvP. They are not leaving for footballing reasons. They are leaving to get better deals because their agents gain from the move.

I can definitely see why Sir Alex won't pay agents any more than he thinks is necessary.

I see that it shouldn't have to be done but if the club would benefit from making that additional payment then it should be made. Not saying it is the case but it would be silly to lose out on your targets and being left behind due to stubborn idealism.
 
An extra payment of 6million?

Once you go down that road as a clu the size of United, you'd never be able to purchase in te normal wayagain
 
The latest Mirror story was written by Alan Nixon, who was the first to say we were attempting to sign Lucas, he's got pretty good connections with transfers, so I'm sure there's some truth to it.
 
An extra payment of 6million?

Once you go down that road as a clu the size of United, you'd never be able to purchase in te normal wayagain

Yep. All agents will then start asking for more. I can see why some want us to go down that road but for me it wouldn't be a great idea. As Jaz says, when contract renewals come up the agent would keep asking for more and it'd only end up in the agent trying to get the player to move to a different club a few years down the line so that they can line their pockets with more money.

Just a few years ago that very same agent earned over £4M in agent fees from Robinho's transfer to City.

Signing Lucas would be great, but it wouldn't be worth forking out the amount PSG are said to have bid, and it wouldn't be worth the £6M agent fees either.
 
If it were an extra 6m to agents (or whomever) for someone of the caliber of Neymar, fair enough, but the reported prices for Lucas Moura make 35m for Modric look like a bargain.

That being said, people could have said that about Ronaldo had we paid north of 20m for him...
 
It's 6 million for their 30% share in his contract.
 
Yeah, it's all well having principles but it's not a case of showing those agents anything, they will just get that money from someone else and we're left without the player we want. The way football is heading such attitude will definitely hold us back.

True, but it's a position that isn't wrong to hold right now.

Clearly there are some agents that United do trust: Mendes. This is why I think there is a better change for retaining Nani.

There's a level of frustration as it seems we will miss out on some good talent due to this new agent bullshit, but at the same time I can see why we wont pay the cnuts a penny.
 
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