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I'm in this boat too now tbh. Especially if we don't make any more signings.
It's a real shame considering how little Arsenal, City and Chelsea have strengthened this window.

Jesus why wont he just go 4-3-3 and incorporate Herrera like a normal person? His formations in preseason have been completely bizarre. Dropping Smalling and Herrera....there is something wrong with him :annoyed:
 
It's a real shame considering how little Arsenal, City and Chelsea have strengthened this window.

Jesus why wont he just go 4-3-3 and incorporate Herrera like a normal person? His formations in preseason have been completely bizarre. Dropping Smalling and Herrera....there is something wrong with him :annoyed:

Its just mind boggling.
 
But Frogie at least could grind out title victories and his transfer issues I guess can be explained to the Glazers debt.

Of course Fergie's success made people overlook some of the crazier decisions, but Van Gaal has been here 5 minutes. He hasn't had a chance to win a league title yet really.

LVG has been given the biggest cheque book for all the the PL teams and its his stubbornness which inhibits us. A crime which is not forgiveable

I keep hearing about LVG being stubborn but in what way?

Last year the fans chanted 442 during an FA Cup match when we were playing 352, if i remember rightly we never played 352 again after that. Other things he tried out didn't work and he abandoned them, like Di Maria up front.

I'm sure he is stubborn to an extent, but i think he is just a lot more patient than the average United fan, when he wants to try something out he doesn't do a u-turn 45 minutes later just because it's not working yet.

Besides Fergie was as stubborn as they come also and for a football manager it's a virtue. I would rather have a man in charge who sticks to what he believes will work regardless of criticism as opposed to a spineless cnut like Moyes who left an unfit RVP on the pitch for 90 minutes because he was afraid of what the fans would think of him if he subbed him off.
 
A very trivial view to take imo. He's had an initial stage of baffling decisions which cost the team a lot (his 5 at the back stage) and now it looks like he's found a new variation to fixate on (the 4-2-3-1). Man why won't he just go back to the 4-3-3 which seemed so promising -_-

Interesting, I seem to remember us going on a long run of wins with 5 at the back. The initial losses were probably more down to the fact we were having to field the likes of Blackett, Fletcher, Cleverley and Co and the fact our squad was pretty shite.

You're moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet. Get a grip.

Let's judge the manager by the results this year, not because of your man-crush getting (temporarily) benched or whether we lost a preseason game.

He might want a passer like Blind at CB, like Mascherano at Barca or Alonso at Bayern at times last year. And he might play Memphis behind the striker, oh lord how dare he, a strong quick goal scorer! What if Wenger played Henry at wing, where he was playing for Juve before getting signed. It might not work out, but it might be a great move, he certainly looked alright there during preseason.

The Caf is becoming unbearable with all the moaning. Can't recall it ever being this bad, not even during Moyes tenure. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Interesting, I seem to remember us going on a long run of wins with 5 at the back. The initial losses were probably more down to the fact we were having to field the likes of Blackett, Fletcher, Cleverley and Co and the fact our squad was pretty shite.

You're moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet. Get a grip.
Sorry mate I don't know the exact details of last years campaign. All I know is that I felt frustrated seeing us playing the same formation which led to poor performances and poor results.

I don't its fair to have a dig at me for criticising his apparent formation for the future considering its all he's played for the pre-season
 
Of course Fergie's success made people overlook some of the crazier decisions, but Van Gaal has been here 5 minutes. He hasn't had a chance to win a league title yet really.



I keep hearing about LVG being stubborn but in what way?

Last year the fans chanted 442 during an FA Cup match when we were playing 352, if i remember rightly we never played 352 again after that. Other things he tried out didn't work and he abandoned them, like Di Maria up front.

I'm sure he is stubborn to an extent, but i think he is just a lot more patient than the average United fan, when he wants to try something out he doesn't do a u-turn 45 minutes later just because it's not working yet.

Besides Fergie was as stubborn as they come also and for a football manager it's a virtue. I would rather have a man in charge who sticks to what he believes will work regardless of criticism as opposed to a spineless cnut like Moyes who left an unfit RVP on the pitch for 90 minutes because he was afraid of what the fans would think of him if he subbed him off.
I thought he had a reputation for being stubborn which is why I've labelled him like that. I'm just sick of his experiments. I mean you are making it sound like Im some 45 minute U turner but thats just not the case. I think he tinkers far too much. He's dropped one of the most promising midfielders in the league (Herrera) to play 2 defensive midfielders (despite how Alonso and Schwein didnt work out....carrick is v simular to Alonso wouldnt you say?).

I also think its strange how Depay is 10 and Mata is the winger....but thats just my opinion
 
I thought he had a reputation for being stubborn which is why I've labelled him like that. I'm just sick of his experiments. I mean you are making it sound like Im some 45 minute U turner but thats just not the case. I think he tinkers far too much. He's dropped one of the most promising midfielders in the league (Herrera) to play 2 defensive midfielders (despite how Alonso and Schwein didnt work out....carrick is v simular to Alonso wouldnt you say?).

I also think its strange how Depay is 10 and Mata is the winger....but thats just my opinion

Nah that comment was meant in general mate not at you personally.

I don't know maybe he has a reputation for being stubborn in other countries, but even last year loads on here called him stubborn and said he would never change his strange decisions, but he did change his mind, on everyone of them. Rooney went back up top, Herrera started, Di Maria no longer played as a striker, 352 was abandoned etc.

And yeah he tinkers too much for my liking also, and at times last season he frustrated the feck out of me with the 352 bullshit and Rooney in midfield but we should just give the man some time. Last season he was bedding in and trying to piece back together a clusterfeck left for him by Moyes.
 
Nah that comment was meant in general mate not at you personally.

I don't know maybe he has a reputation for being stubborn in other countries, but even last year loads on here called him stubborn and said he would never change his strange decisions, but he did change his mind, on everyone of them. Rooney went back up top, Herrera started, Di Maria no longer played as a striker, 352 was abandoned etc.

And yeah he tinkers too much for my liking also, and at times last season he frustrated the feck out of me with the 352 bullshit and Rooney in midfield but we should just give the man some time. Last season he was bedding in and trying to piece back together a clusterfeck left for him by Moyes.
I had hoped he had worked out all the weird supernatural shit last year. But it seems he hasn't and Herrera is the victim of it all.

I've lost hope with the old bastard. I hope he makes me look like a fool -_-
 
I also think its strange how Depay is 10 and Mata is the winger....but thats just my opinion

Despite us lacking pace through the centre and Mata playing his best football with us, Valencia and Chelsea from a wide position with licence to cut in and link up?
 
I had hoped he had worked out all the weird supernatural shit last year. But it seems he hasn't and Herrera is the victim of it all.

I've lost hope with the old bastard. I hope he makes me look like a fool -_-

I'm still hoping this Blind at CB and Depay up front nonsense is just some pre season experimentation, or at least craziness that won't last long.
 
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If you are right about Mata being better as a wideman than a 10 then I guess I was being stupid. Ignore my post!
 
When van Gaal came to Manchester United he said he was going to play with 2 strikers, makes sense since we had RvP and Rooney who wouldn't leave back then. He just used 352 effectively at the WC and in preseason, he never was going to overhaul the squad to his liking in 1 rushed transfer window so he made sure he had 4 strikers. He tinkered loads but eventually stopped using 352 as he isn't blind and the performances weren't convincing. After trying but also giving up on 442 aswell he gave up on a 2 striker formation altogether and went back to his preferred formation 433. That was the final nail in the coffin for Falcao and RvP as he had given up on them.

We really lacked defensive midfielders for his liking though so he used Fellaini at 10 to compensate and secure top 4. Now he can play his 433, which we've seen in preseason and others call 4231. He needed those 4 defensive players I mentioned in the OP but he can also still use the same 433 as last season, he likes both variations and the difference once the team is fully gelled won't be huge. I think he prefers the 4231 though and our signings also hint at that.

We've got a bigger squad now, Herrera isn't guaranteed a spot anymore and has to fight for his position. If he performs like the end of last season he should be a regular starter and get plenty of games. It's a better problem to have than relying on Rooney in midfield, but we might have some sad midfielders on the bench this season.
 
Interesting, I seem to remember us going on a long run of wins with 5 at the back. The initial losses were probably more down to the fact we were having to field the likes of Blackett, Fletcher, Cleverley and Co and the fact our squad was pretty shite.

You're moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet. Get a grip.



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Dont even bother Pex, the plebs have made up their mind. Its been a whole year for god sake. We should be treble winners by now.
 
when lvg opts for a point forward midfield, the two midfielders behind the 10 share the roles of 6 & 8 together.

formation is not necessarily be a static one. it can twist during the game between the phrase of us having the possession and the phrase of the opponent having the possession. when we have the possession and the no 10 plays on such a high line then we definitely need someone to perform a solid no 8 role to fill in the space. when carrick & schweini played together, since both of them are more a 6 than a 8, there has been a relative big gap left between the lines. that's the reason why schweini was replaced by schneiderlin in the 2nd half. until schweini gets back his full fitness we shall see schneiderlin to start the game.

if our midfield is not still dynamic enough lvg may think to play 343 at all, especially when we play against weaker teams
 
Just thinking if everything has gone to plan for LVG and players lived up to expectation we could of had a starting line up of this

---------------------------------Victor Valdes----------------------------------

---Matteo Darmian---Chris Smalling----Sergio Ramos------Luke Shaw----

--------------------Kevin Strootman-----Bastian Schweinsteiger------------

---Angel di Maria---------------Wayne Rooney-----------Memphis Depay---

----------------------------------Ramadel Falcao-------------------------------
 
Just thinking if everything has gone to plan for LVG and players lived up to expectation we could of had a starting line up of this

---------------------------------Victor Valdes----------------------------------

---Matteo Darmian---Chris Smalling----Sergio Ramos------Luke Shaw----

--------------------Kevin Strootman-----Bastian Schweinsteiger------------

---Angel di Maria---------------Wayne Rooney-----------Memphis Depay---

----------------------------------Ramadel Falcao-------------------------------

He still has a great squad to work with.
 
Louis has already said we need more speed, he said he hoped Angel di Maria stayed and he can give us the speed. Also teams like Barcelona and Bayern use relentless pressure, that's exactly how Louis van Gaal wants to play, give them no rest. He also doesn't have OCD control over every facet, his attacking players he wants to be creative and spontaneous, if Robben had the ball he'd be expected to make things happen, he would be allowed to dribble past players etc. He doesn't want it to be a tactical battle, countless times in his career he has said it is dominant football, to dominate the opposition, if Barcelona played stoke on a wednesday night it wouldn't be much of a chess match.
Di Maria is not going to stay and completely castrate his game just to adhere to the system. That is and has been pretty obvious from about half way through last season that he wasn't going to be receptive to adaptation. I've not seen his comments on the matter so I will take your word for it.

Also after watching last season I have no idea how you can even think about saying that he is not OCD about details, it is in the OP. He wants his players above all to value retention of the ball, in essence not even try to take a risk unless they know 100% that they are going to pull it off. He has often said the players need to think about what they are doing and know why they are doing it and if they are doing that then they have already lost 50% of their creative processing speed. They are constantly playing in fear of losing the ball and by definition completely the opposite of creative and spontaneous. Regarding Barcelona and Stoke, you're illustrating my point. Of course Barcelona would adapt to the conditions of playing in England. I am saying that Van Gaal hasn't and has no intention of doing it. That has been pretty obvious and clear.

Louis has said last season it wasn't how he expects his team to play and hopefully with the right players and successful execution on the pitch we can see that this season, recently however he has said that we are still lacking creativity in the final third, he will no doubt look to solve this problem.
The playing group is not a bargain basement bin at the record store. You can't go sifting through players until you find one that works. He is not going to change Young/Mata and even Rooney. He's had plenty of time to do that and if that was an important aspect and one that needed immediate change in his eyes, it would have been done. Trust me.

Memphis has big boots to fill wherever he plays (ten or left forward) I was hoping that he would be slowly introduced but he looks to have a huge responsibility this year. Bringing in a young and emerging talent to the Premier League and dropping him in at the deep end is a bold move, he will have to be in sync with all his front players to have the proper impact. Good luck to him. He is definitely one of the most exciting young talents in Europe and I am looking forward to watching him play, I am definitely behind him 100% and think he was an excellent signing.

By creativity he means creating chances, making things happen, Robben is a creative player because he can dribble past opponents and attack space even if he doesn't want to pass.

I disagree, Louis van Gaal expects his four most attacking players to be creative, they are expected to take more risks, Depay's flicks are part of his philosophy, Rooney, Mata and Young need to find the confidence to do that, they aren't told not to just like Robben or Figo was not told to keep possession over making things happen. And again you seem to be going on last season even though the manager stated numerous times that's not how his teams play, Barcelona or Bayern when he was successful with them were not how you described.

People won't be dribbling past opponents. People did not dribble past opponents all of last year, people have not dribbled past opponents at all in pre-season. An ideal and large facet of forward line play that is important in our eyes as fans and armchair managers, yet completely non existent in this system. I think one of the elite managers would have corrected this by now, don't you? He has players like Nani and Di Maria.. Does this not make more sense?... Would a manager who wants his players to dribble more and focus on that as an integral part of his system, be all over them about it? Not excessively asking them to keep the ball all the time?...

Again you seem to be assessing Louis van Gaal's system based on last season alone, there is a reason Ajax 95 is considered one of the best of all time and it's not because they played like us, Bayern would not have done the double in his first season and champions league final if they played like us, his Barcelona side would not have won La Liga.
Of course, last season is all we have to go on. My original point was that he's made absolutely zero adjustments to his philosophy to adapt to the nuances of the English game and that it may prove detrimental. We can learn a lot from Bayern but there is no credence in comparing Ajax of 95 (20 years ago) and Barcelona to United today. The football ladnscape has changed dramatically in 20 years. Simply trying to replicate those arcane systems in England will not work.

He said he hopes Angel di Maria stays, it's evident he fits the profile of what he wants from his creative players, like Robben he tries to make things happen. Last season since this is his last job he uncharacteristically played it safe in the end to ensure fourth, mainly because he was lacking players in key positions and the team weren't very good at possession football in general, he wanted to get to the summer and then find players more suited to that, Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Depay are the types of players that can do what he wants.
Honestly, there is no point re-hashing this over and over again. He had ample chances to play Di Maria as the focal point after the injury. Di Maria is now on the verge of leaving, any inkling that Van Gaal rates him highly and wants him to use his talents for the club is just pure fantasy. It is the exact opposite.

I disagree with your assessment of how Louis van Gaal wants to play football, I don't think how we played last season is how he wants us to play, his Ajax and Barcelona sides are better examples.
Up to and including 20 years ago. There is no point re-inventing the wheel with so little time to do it in the fast paced world of Football today. Especially at a club with one of the most iconic domestic products and European/World identities in football.
 
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I dont know real reasons behind LvG decisions but its amazing that those who calling him out for Ander and Mike as its 100% his fault why he might drop them from first XI.Maybe its not his fault,maybe they did not earn it with their work or discipline or something during pre season.
 
Di Maria is not going to stay and completely castrate his game just to adhere to the system. That is and has been pretty obvious from about half way through last season that he wasn't going to be receptive to adaptation. I've not seen his comments on the matter so I will take your word for it.

Did Robben completely castrate his game? You saw him at the world cup.

Also after watching last season I have no idea how you can even think about saying that he is not OCD about details, it is in the OP. He wants his players above all to value retention of the ball, in essence not even try to take a risk unless they know 100% that they are going to pull it off. He has often said the players need to think about what they are doing and know why they are doing it and if they are doing that then they have already lost 50% of their creative processing speed. They are constantly playing in fear of losing the ball and by definition completely the opposite of creative and spontaneous. Regarding Barcelona and Stoke, you're illustrating my point. Of course Barcelona would adapt to the conditions of playing in England. I am saying that Van Gaal hasn't and has no intention of doing it. That has been pretty obvious and clear.

You said OCD about every facet of the game, I said he likes his attacking four to be creative and gives them the freedom for that.

You once more use last season to judge Louis van Gaal and not Ajax, Barcelona or Bayern, the manager himself has stated last season was not his team or the way he expects his teams to play. There is a difference between the role of the creative players and the non-creative players in his system.

He doesn't mean to rationally think about what they are doing, of course you play football so you should get what he means, that's not to analyse the situation with their rational thought process but to pay total attention to what is happening so a better term is to be aware of what they are doing, that's what he means, be aware of the spaces that are opening and closing so you know what to attack and defend, be aware of what your team mates are doing so you know where to be positioned, that means Carrick does not act unconsciously or by habit but instead sees mistakes the opposition are making to exploit, you can be aware of the situation without rationally thinking about it and it is clear from his expression that is what he means, he just uses the work 'think' like when he calls a 4-2-3-1 a 4-3-3. Louis van Gaal's explanations in the past have made it quite clear he means he wants the players to be aware of the situation and pay attention to the match instead of acting only on habit.

The point was you said 'chess match', 'tactical battle', I said Barcelona would do what Louis wants to do and dominate the match, there would be no chess match, Stoke would be on the back foot, so if Barcelona or Bayern can do it in England then Louis' methods can too succeed.

The playing group is not a bargain basement bin at the record store. You can't go sifting through players until you find one that works. He is not going to change Young/Mata and even Rooney. He's had plenty of time to do that and if that was an important aspect and one that needed immediate change in his eyes, it would have been done. Trust me.

Memphis has big boots to fill wherever he plays (ten or left forward) I was hoping that he would be slowly introduced but he looks to have a huge responsibility this year. Bringing in a young and emerging talent to the Premier League and dropping him in at the deep end is a bold move, he will have to be in sync with all his front players to have the proper impact. Good luck to him. He is definitely one of the most exciting young talents in Europe and I am looking forward to watching him play, I am definitely behind him 100% and think he was an excellent signing.

You would have said he is not going to change Schweinsteiger from failing winger into world class box to box. There is nothing wrong with using Memphis as a 10 because he fits the profile, he is clearly using Rooney as a striker nor is he trying to change Young's position and Mata is out wide because we don't have many right wingers right now but the signing of Pedro could put an end to that.

He has also great experience with young players, Ajax 95 was the youngest squad ever to win the champions league, he had a ton of teenagers in there. As he has said in the past age does not matter if the player has the maturity, he wouldn't use Memphis if he didn't think he could do it just like he wouldn't have used an 18 year old Seedorf.

People won't be dribbling past opponents. People did not dribble past opponents all of last year, people have not dribbled past opponents at all in pre-season. An ideal and large facet of forward line play that is important in our eyes as fans and armchair managers, yet completely non existent in this system. I think one of the elite managers would have corrected this by now, don't you? He has players like Nani and Di Maria.. Does this not make more sense?... Would a manager who wants his players to dribble more and focus on that as an integral part of his system, be all over them about it? Not excessively asking them to keep the ball all the time?...

Again last year, you need to start listening to the manager when he says last year isn't representative of what he wants to do, it's as if you think in the past for Ajax, Barcelona, Bayern and Netherlands the four attacking creative players were allowed to dribble but now he is going to abandon that philosophy. Young dribbled past opponents last season, he is however limited by his ability, Januzaj tried also but didn't execute well, in pre season Memphis has dribbled through the centre.

I have already said he wanted to keep Angel di Maria, he obviously liked him, regarding Nani, you just said he won't change Young or Rooney or Mata but now you think he should use Nani in his team? Most fans wanted Nani out because they don't think he is good enough.

Of course, last season is all we have to go on. My original point was that he's made absolutely zero adjustments to his philosophy to adapt to the nuances of the English game and that it may prove detrimental. We can learn a lot from Bayern but there is no credence in comparing Ajax of 95 (20 years ago) and Barcelona to United today. The football ladnscape has changed dramatically in 20 years. Simply trying to replicate those arcane systems in England will not work.

Ajax, Barcelona, Bayern and Netherlands is relevant when looking at his philosophy. The way he set those teams up contradicts your view of how Louis van Gaal wants to play. The manager has even said last season was not how he expects a Louis van Gaal team to play yet you are using it to understand his philosophy as opposed to his teams that have actually gone further along the process. This doesn't make sense, surely Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern are better to understand his system than United of last year!

Honestly, there is no point re-hashing this over and over again. He had ample chances to play Di Maria as the focal point after the injury. Di Maria is now on the verge of leaving, any inkling that Van Gaal rates him highly and wants him to use his talents for the club is just pure fantasy. It is the exact opposite.

You are now calling Louis van Gaal a liar, he dropped Angel di Maria as he did Falcao because they were poor, his number one priority was securing top four, he knows what Angel can do and that's why he wanted him at the club. Ancelotti was criticised for not dropping Bale when he was playing poor!

I don't think Louis van Gaal is lying to the fans. What do you make of the fact he wanted Robben when he first came? Is he not a risky player?

Up to and including 20 years ago. There is no point re-inventing the wheel with so little time to do it in the fast paced world of Football today. Especially at a club with one of the most iconic domestic products and European/World identities in football.

He isn't re-inventing anything, possession football existed before Louis van Gaal, he is just a proponent of that.
 
Despite us lacking pace through the centre and Mata playing his best football with us, Valencia and Chelsea from a wide position with licence to cut in and link up?

Yeah I don't get that, all last season posters were moaning about our lack of dynamism through the centre, he's now doing something about it and many on here want him to go back to Mata.

Even Mata was criticised as a 10 last season because he drifted out of games, he started to play well on the right and everybody loved him, now they want him in the centre again!
 
@Empire we agree to disagree. I just can't keep micro analysing the same points over and over, we will never be like Ajax 95, never be like Millennium Barca. There is absolutely no point mentioning them. We shall reconvene 12 games into the season and we'll see how we are doing and what changes he's made to the dire, tedious and complete dross that he rolled out last season. So far the signings don't really reflect that he's going to change any of the system to correct the deficiencies we had last season.
 
@Empire we agree to disagree. I just can't keep micro analysing the same points over and over, we will never be like Ajax 95, never be like Millennium Barca. There is absolutely no point mentioning them. We shall reconvene 12 games into the season and we'll see how we are doing and what changes he's made to the dire, tedious and complete dross that he rolled out last season. So far the signings don't really reflect that he's going to change any of the system to correct the deficiencies we had last season.

The point was we will perform the way Louis van Gaal wants at some point, hopefully this season, just like his teams of the past, last season that didn't happen and even this season we have a lot of work to do. Barcelona or Ajax learned his system more quickly because they had already the infrastructure prior to him (and also more of the players required), the likes of Cruyff had already set the wheels in motion before he arrived in Spain, if we were to successfully perform the way he wants then we would look more like those sides than United of last season.

12 games? I have already said Louis will likely get off to a slow because this seems quite normal looking at his past and also we have more signings to bed in, this is a team in the process of performing a new style of play, after 12 games I'd expect us to be behind the leaders but not out of the race however I do think there will come a point where we go on an excellent run (also normal with him) and maintain it until the end of the season, I'd rather revisit at the end of the season.
 
Yeah I don't get that, all last season posters were moaning about our lack of dynamism through the centre, he's now doing something about it and many on here want him to go back to Mata.

Even Mata was criticised as a 10 last season because he drifted out of games, he started to play well on the right and everybody loved him, now they want him in the centre again!
They're just trying to find excuses to say van Gaal is a bad manager.
 
They're just trying to find excuses to say van Gaal is a bad manager.

It was the same with our strikers last season. Everyone slated Louis for not playing Rooney as a FC, now that Rooney is up top he suddenly isnt good enough anymore. Some people are just never satisfied and expect us to get the likes of Messi and Ronaldo as strikers, everything else is 'underwhelming' and 'cause for worries'
 
He's slowly sucking the life and enjoyment out of watching United.

Whats happened to the attack loving football that LVG was supposed to be all about?
 
I'm going to give it more than one game to see how he can get the best out of this squad.

If after 10 or so games he's still advocating the tumescent shite we saw against Spurs, then I'm going to be really worried.
 
Jeiks, with all these reaction you'd think we got hammered. First day of the season, three points in the bag. What more did you want ? If we played them out of the park but got on the wrong side of the score sheet people would not hesitate to question tactics aswell. The negativity here at times is amazing.
 
He's slowly sucking the life and enjoyment out of watching United.

Whats happened to the attack loving football that LVG was supposed to be all about?
He is such a lively character( see him today singing to the press, and his many other antics), but my goodness ..the football he has us playing is as bad as some of the things people accused Chelsea off last season..Not necessarily bus parking, but rather , football with almost no attacking intent.
 
I'm going to give it more than one game to see how he can get the best out of this squad.

If after 10 or so games he's still advocating the tumescent shite we saw against Spurs, then I'm going to be really worried.
Thats the same way i feel about it. Don't know if i could watch a whole season of that crap(though i will) i was asleep within five mins of the 2nd half starting
 
He is such a lively character( see him today singing to the press, and his many other antics), but my goodness ..the football he has us playing is as bad as some of the things people accused Chelsea off last season..Not necessarily bus parking, but rather , football with almost no attacking intent.

And the result was ? The premier league trophy ? It's a results business. Yes people from all around the globe want their club to play attractive football with flair, but the two dont go hand in hand for atleast 95% of the clubs in the world. Do you want three points or do you advocate the football flair without them ? Sure, there are points of improvement, but last season showed that we can dominate the rival teams and the players are more familiar with the system, so with a bit of luck aswell things should be improving as we proceed.
 
And the result was ? The premier league trophy ? It's a results business. Yes people from all around the globe want their club to play attractive football with flair, but the two dont go hand in hand for atleast 95% of the clubs in the world. Do you want three points or do you advocate the football flair without them ? Sure, there are points of improvement, but last season showed that we can dominate the rival teams and the players are more familiar with the system, so with a bit of luck aswell things should be improving as we proceed.
Our problem is that our poor attacking actually leads to us dropping more points than it actually helps us..If we scoring goals and then shutting up shop , then Id understand..We just dont score a lot, or create much either..And especially away from home where we only won 5/6 times last season, that continues to bites us.

EDIT; for the record , I am not having a go at Chelsea and Mou either
 
It's these little odd things by Van Gaal that just don't make sense that he keeps doing that really get to me... like wtf does he see??

Mata whos best central is played out wide.

Memphis whos best out wide is played centrally.

Herrera who is our best midfielder and our main creativity/mobility in midfield.. benched.

Blind at CB?

Why is it these things that are so obvious to everyone else aren't to him? It almost feels like stubborness, "everyone else thinks that would be the logical thing to do so i will deliberately not do that"
 
And the result was ? The premier league trophy ? It's a results business. Yes people from all around the globe want their club to play attractive football with flair, but the two dont go hand in hand for atleast 95% of the clubs in the world. Do you want three points or do you advocate the football flair without them ? Sure, there are points of improvement, but last season showed that we can dominate the rival teams and the players are more familiar with the system, so with a bit of luck aswell things should be improving as we proceed.
It's an entertainment business. People don't start watching football to see a team just win. If that's all it's about why bother watching the games?
 
I think we'll still challenge for the title. But I think we'll be more based on defensive solidity in midfield, rather then great attacking play. A complaint from Bayern fans was that in his second year, they had a lot of pointless possession but not really great going forward. We'll grind out a lot of results, but we aren't going to be scoring freely IMO. It's partially down to the players we have, but also a big part down to the tactics. We seem more into keeping possession and constantly calming the game down instead of trying to create chances. You watch any other team and they're always looking to create, but it's just not like that with us.

Van Gaal, though I support him 100%, wants his players to always think about what they do rather then play on instinct, and you could say that it takes away from excitement attacking wise. It's all very formulaic, and while it helps defensively and in keeping possession, there's no randomness to it, and so teams can work us out and simply stop us, and we don't really change our game. With Fergie, at least in the 90's, our gameplan was basically an organized chaos. We could outplay anyone offensively, and we always went forward to create chances and score goals, playing with pace. We weren't too worried about completely shutting out the opposition, we knew that we'd always give the opponents a few chances, but for the most part we'd control and make chances all the time. Now on the other hand we keep possession for the sake of not letting the opponent create, rather then create chances ourselves.

So expect a lot of 1-0 or 2-0 wins, low scoring games like we saw last season, but no real blow outs.
 
It's an entertainment business. People don't start watching football to see a team just win. If that's all it's about why bother watching the games?

Because people want to see their team win. Fans and sponsors alike want to be associated with winners. Arsenal have played "prettier" football than us for years, but you think Fergie would have cared as long as we ended the season as champions.

We're in it to win it. Of course, if we can play some attractive football, that would be excellent too, but professional football is a results driven business. Success begets more success. I'm sure if you asked any of the managers of the top flight teams, whether they'd like to play dour football and be the champs, or play pretty football and come fourth, I think I'd know what the majority of them would pick. Except if you were Wenger.
 
I'm not sure how we are going to break down park the bus teams with out attack. Especially with Depay at 10 now
 
It's these little odd things by Van Gaal that just don't make sense that he keeps doing that really get to me... like wtf does he see??

Mata whos best central is played out wide.

Memphis whos best out wide is played centrally.

Herrera who is our best midfielder and our main creativity/mobility in midfield.. benched.

Blind at CB?

Why is it these things that are so obvious to everyone else aren't to him? It almost feels like stubborness, "everyone else thinks that would be the logical thing to do so i will deliberately not do that"

Because he tries to be to clever for his own good.
 
Since the start of preseason Van Gaals approach has become very conservative. it seems as though he wants maximum output with minimum risk

The triangle has been inverted to give more protection to the defence. One would have thought that the full backs would bomb forward more to compensate for that change but even the full backs are a yard or two further back in possession (than last year) and dont often overlap the winger


At the moment we seem content with largely a 4 man attack which is simply not creating enough - this can only work well with players of messi neymar ronaldo bales ilk. not with young and mata on the wing..mata lacks pace and young is just not world class.

I think LVG has a choice now to either delve in the market and find a player that can make his attack more lethal or stick with what he has and give up his conservative approach

If I were him I would buy a right winger and a number 9 asap
 
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