I'd have played Young at left fullback which would have allowed Blind to go to DM.
Louis van Gaal's tactics
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I'd have played Young at left fullback which would have allowed Blind to go to DM.
Unfortunately, Blind was gash at DM in our last game. So that wasn't really an option.
Amongst others.
He was awful against Everton in DM but he's been decent-good there whenever else he's been used there all season. I'd have prefered to see him shifted to DM also. All season > 1 game afterall.
That being said, I doubt anything we would have tried would have come off against WBA. One of them days.
Why we played RvP and Rooney in midfield, I dont know. Fellaini alone upfront is hopeless
we've conceded about 3/4 of all our goals with him at DM.
So harsh to pin than on Blind. He can hardly be blamed for our form being all over the place during the first half of the season.
The defenders and midfielders have difficulty with the build up when pressured by the opposition, because they lack technical ability. If they and particularly De Gea have the option to play it to Fellaini, it makes it useless and even dangerous to press high. Also there is the general lack of height, which is a problem defending corners. So because of the lack of technical ability he has to chose even less technical ability.
The more conservative and typical English didn't set the WC alight either, did they? He had to compromise because of the lack of quality, but it still made it an exciting tournement, despite some boring spells in matches. Now he's got to compromise because of lack of technical ability.
I agree about the triangles, but the positions were allright, there where lots of moments to set up a triangle, but someone has to start them. For some reason, Rooney didn't when he should. Also you need the wings to make space in the middle, and vice versa. But therefore the ball has to move fast. The technical ability to play the ball fast and accurate isn't there, so they slow it down to the pace they are comfortable with. Against teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and City they play at an uncomfortable pace, and they manage, not perfectly and often without full control, but they manage. But that's because the high pace is forced upon them, if they can choose their own pace because WBA sits back, they choose the safe and slow pace.
That would be playing Young out of position too.
True, but it's not like he'd have had much defending to do.
I am not an expert but i believe that one day people will realize,how important LvG was for our future.I see,just like in period before Tottenham game people came out in full swing at him,there is not a good thing he is doing atm,subs are awful,he is tactical inept,no plan B,C,squad selection isnt any better and if we bottle this top 4 crap,they want him gone.
Think,his tactical decision to swap RvP and Afroman wasnt that bad,we looked better imo,hell RvP even did better then Rooney in same role.Said in other thread,our issue at the moment is that we dont make opposition team tired with our high % of possession.I believe that we have 100% of players needed to play in LvG`s way,some might learn and some will never learn or simple they are not capable to learn. Also believe that some of newcomers will be better next season.
Think,his tactical decision to swap RvP and Afroman wasnt that bad,we looked better imo,hell RvP even did better then Rooney in same role.Said in other thread,our issue at the moment is that we dont make opposition team tired with our high % of possession.I believe that we have 100% of players needed to play in LvG`s way,some might learn and some will never learn or simple they are not capable to learn. Also believe that some of newcomers will be better next season.
I hope he mixes his tactics up for Saturdays MASSIVE game vs Palace. We are so predictable right now and Pardew and his staff are probably watching videos of our last 2 games and licking their lips.
Yes, but the injuries haven't helped. Blind was beyond poor against Everton, while Herrera did better there against Chelsea, a better team. It's all about context.
Blind vs West Brom would have made sense, because... yea he isn't physical or defensively astute as youd like, but West Brom were offering nothing, literally nothing the other way. He could have sat in midfield, gotten the ball off of the back 4 and quickly pushed it up into midfield.
We've seen him give MotM performances at OT doing just that over the first half of the season, I've been at a few and seen first hand how quickly he can get the ball moving, as I said his defensive flaws would have been masked in that particular game because of West Broms tactics.
Saying that, I'd have reservations of putting him there against Palace away however.
I'm really bored to tears of this predictable, mehtodical sideways passing, not to mention coming out of the tunnel in 2nd gear, LvG needs to sort it out this summer with some aquisitions, because it's unbearable to watch.
We've seen him give MotM performances at OT doing just that over the first half of the season, I've been at a few and seen first hand how quickly he can get the ball moving, as I said his defensive flaws would have been masked in that particular game because of West Broms tactics.
Saying that, I'd have reservations of putting him there against Palace away however.
I'm really bored to tears of this predictable, mehtodical sideways passing, not to mention coming out of the tunnel in 2nd gear, LvG needs to sort it out this summer with some aquisitions, because it's unbearable to watch.
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Having a bad game doesn't mean he's not an option. Blind has played well in midfield a load of times this season.
x100 this. Blind can make a terrific CDM in certain games.
Soooo, Same team again this weekend do we think? 
Funny how things've changed, towards the end of Fergie's reign we'd have problems when teams pressed us and pressured us in midfield but we'd take them apart one way or another if they sat back, now if they press us we'll put three past them but if they sit back we can't do naught.
Not seen the reserves / youth for a while but have we not got a CM that could be called up and thrown in to replace Carrick for a couple of games? Thus not playing RVP or Rooney in a deeper position.
Pretty sad state of affairs if we haven't.
Pretty sad state of affairs if we haven't.
The problem as I see it with our possession based play vs teams that "park the bus" is one of the benefits of possession based play is that it wears your opponent down while they try to chase shadows. However, when teams play with 10/11 men behind the ball in deep lines there is little chasing to do, they just stick to formation and close down when the ball comes to their zone just staying quite narrow. This causes two problems, firstly, they condense the space meaning our players revert back to playing it across the back four or when we do creep forward play the side-ways, or back pass. Whilst this does equate to possession football, it completely negates the point of possession based play. Making it somewhat useless against these types of teams. We would be better off conceding possession against these types of teams whilst trying to actually create something through more direct means or creative runs, rather than concentrate on purely keeping the ball.
I completely agree, see my post below...
Van Gaal has to accept that his particular brand of possession football has been completely found out and adapt his tactics accordingly.
He's getting away with far too much this season.
Playing Rooney in fecking CDM because 'no one else can do it' - sorry, who's West Brom's CDM captain...? And who released him from our club?
Not having 'CFs who can score 20 goals a season' - who's played the useless and impotent Falcao and RvP pairing time and time again while our best striker languishes in midfield?
Not having the right players to play the philosophy - who's overseen the last 2 transfer windows?
It's not good enough and we swallow too many of these nonsensical excuses - as we did last season with Moyes.
If you wanna play dominant possession football you need to have a regular, consistent attacking three (Rooney, Mata, ADM) who are given time to develop an understanding and who are tactically drilled on playing triangles and give and goes through the middle.
Van Gaal has neglected and failed this task entirely all season. He's mis-used this squad, particularly the attacking players.
Playing possession obsessed football and then instructing the team to go out wide and cross it to Fellaini...? Laughable.
Well it's Tuesday today so there's still time for him to get some goal scoring practice in. We won't win until we learn how to score. Come on VG and players....get it in the back of the net...pleeease!
Yeah agree with all this. It's getting really annoying now, I could just about tolerate it a few months ago but he's got to stop with it now.
Had a long conversation with my dad today, and we both are severely unimpressed.
Some of the decisions Van Gaal makes are just laughable. We are fourth because of the talent in the squad, ffs look at some of the players in the team.
I'd happily see LvG punted in the summer and Klopp brought in. Some will say this is knee jerk, but look at some of the ridiculous results and performances this season, and even worse some of the the selections.
We sign Angel di Maria, one of Madrids best players, man of the match in the champions league final, and winner of Argentinian player of the year ahead of Messi. We sign him off the back of him being a world class midfielder for Madrid, and we try to shove him out wide, play him upfront (??????), and then eventually bench him for Ashley fecking Young, and for the next few months give him 20 mins in games that are dead off the bench. No wonder he's not on top form, his confidence must be shattered.
Falcao even getting game time, when it's painfully obvious he's finished with us.
Ander Herrera, who looks one of our best midfielders, not getting a game for half of the season.
Being just embarrassed by MK Dons.
We are fourth despite Van Gaal.
Some of the decisions Van Gaal makes are just laughable. We are fourth because of the talent in the squad, ffs look at some of the players in the team.
I'd happily see LvG punted in the summer and Klopp brought in. Some will say this is knee jerk, but look at some of the ridiculous results and performances this season, and even worse some of the the selections.
We sign Angel di Maria, one of Madrids best players, man of the match in the champions league final, and winner of Argentinian player of the year ahead of Messi. We sign him off the back of him being a world class midfielder for Madrid, and we try to shove him out wide, play him upfront (??????), and then eventually bench him for Ashley fecking Young, and for the next few months give him 20 mins in games that are dead off the bench. No wonder he's not on top form, his confidence must be shattered.
Falcao even getting game time, when it's painfully obvious he's finished with us.
Ander Herrera, who looks one of our best midfielders, not getting a game for half of the season.
Being just embarrassed by MK Dons.
We are fourth despite Van Gaal.
I want this back.
How did we regress so much.Look at Rooney's pace in that video against Middlesbrough.
I want this back.
Look at Rooney's pace in that video against Middlesbrough.
The thing is, look at the age of our strikers VG still wants to play these ageing forwards, that is problem 1, the squad still picks up way to many injury's for my liking which is has big as problem 1. It never helps he has named rooney captain when in reality we need refreshing the frontline, good short term, long term, do we want rooney in that frontline in the next 2 to 3 years?
All our strikers seem to have regressed at the same time, which doesn't help. Both Falcao and Van Persie don't look even remotely close to the quality players they used to be. Rooney hasn't been the same for a long time now but at least he still contributes. We certainly need to buy a new young striker this summer, not many available though.
Captain or not if we find a player who's better van Gaal shouldn't think twice about replacing him.
Agree with alot of this, although to be fair Fletcher looked finished in the few games at DM he had for us.
If Van Gaal gets in the Top 4 I'm willing to give him another season and see if we get any change next year, which we hopefully should once he has another Transfer window to get players in.
If he finishes out of the Top 4 considering how bad Liverpool have been then he should get the boot, no excuses. There has just been alot of negatives with him and if he fails his target then we should look elsewhere, I'd hate for us to be a club that keeps changing managers but then again we need the RIGHT manager so we shouldn't have to suffer mediocrity.
Will agree that the last 3 matches have made unpleasant viewing but there's only so much you can do against teams who set up to defend. Of the 3 the Everton match was the only one we deserved to lose.
Its LVG's first season and we're seeing enough progress to keep the faith. We had a great run against City, liverpool and Spurs and while we should have kept that going after the chelsea match its still put is in pole position for a 4th place finish.
Its LVG's first season and we're seeing enough progress to keep the faith. We had a great run against City, liverpool and Spurs and while we should have kept that going after the chelsea match its still put is in pole position for a 4th place finish.
Relevant Statsbomb article.
http://statsbomb.com/2015/05/man-ut...t-this-weeks-key-premier-league-stat-stories/
TL;DR Stop being so damn negative.
http://statsbomb.com/2015/05/man-ut...t-this-weeks-key-premier-league-stat-stories/
TL;DR Stop being so damn negative.
makes sense, watching how Barca's first goal came from a Bernat being dealt a sucker punch
Fletcher should have left the club at least 4 years ago.
We've lost 3 in a row, without scoring. We've had maybe 10 performances all season that have been decent, what is the reason to be positive?
I want this back.
Look at Rooney's pace in that video against Middlesbrough.
Sadly we don't play this type of football any more, all LVG wants is possession... Second of all, we only have one player in our team who has the pace of any of the players in that video, which is pretty damn sad!
He doesn't have tactics
The 4141 worked 2 times with Liverpool and City, now he uses only this tactic against every opponent, even with Rooney as a DM
He is a joke.
The 4141 worked 2 times with Liverpool and City, now he uses only this tactic against every opponent, even with Rooney as a DM
He is a joke.
Indeed. The only good thing we can take from his year here is that run he had vs Spurs, Pool and City a few weeks ago, because its something (dominating our rivals) we struggled to do in our last year with Fergie and Moyes. LVG's tactics are actually pretty good against a team who plays open football against us, the problem is when they park the bus and every damn team will do it against us knowing it is our weakness
Following Depay transfer I think these tactics are going to have to change a bit to get the best out of Depay also alongside our current players such as Di Maria. We need to speed up the attack and thats what these players bring but currently in last few games for some reason we've slowed down the passing and kept it all in front of the opposition.
Depay and Di Maria thrive off and do themselves makes runs beyond the striker. This is something we massively lack with our current play. Last two games we've had a massive lack of forward runners. Something that will need to be addressed, no point in buying Depay to hope he can put in the one cross that hits the right player, need to play to these players' strengths which will then open up space for Rooney, and/ or Mata alongside open up the pitch a bit for our midfield.
Depay and Di Maria thrive off and do themselves makes runs beyond the striker. This is something we massively lack with our current play. Last two games we've had a massive lack of forward runners. Something that will need to be addressed, no point in buying Depay to hope he can put in the one cross that hits the right player, need to play to these players' strengths which will then open up space for Rooney, and/ or Mata alongside open up the pitch a bit for our midfield.
Read the article and look at the big picture. That is the reason to be positive.
Is this what our team can become. Ajax were managed by LVG at the time.
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