Precisely what I'm saying. Everyone wanted the most proven accomplished man, with the big personality and rhey got it. Shows that accomplished is not always the only thing matters.
Louis van Gaal: "I am - or maybe was - a very successful manager."
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which is exactly what happened at Chelsea today
Are you going to tell me about sad things in your life too? I was speaking about it not being great for a top career to end like this. If you think ita great for careers to end with sackings then good for you.
All of you guys wondering why we hired van gaal in tge first place if he won the CL 20 years ago.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
makes me laugh that some people cant see the difference in the squad he has left behind than the one both SAF & Moyes left behind. Things are only going up now eith such a youthful squad.
Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
Seriously, what the feck is wrong with you. You must be the worst poster I've ever see here.
He's immensely irritating in his stubborn approach, and his selection policy is simply ridiculous, but that should not change the fact the fans had a good relationship with the manager until just a few months ago. He met his targets last season and improved the technical quality of our squad. Though we're not where we should be after a quarter of a billion pounds of investment, we shouldn't take parting shots at a very honest man who has been one the world's greatest managers. He's at the end of his career, and I think he's lost the energy he had when he was a young manager at Ajax. That's the Louis Van Gaal I will think of when I reflect on his career. Enigmatic, courageous, intense and innovative in his contributions to management.
We're his last job in football, and we have a responsibility to honour this man and give him the most respectful send off we can, even though things have not worked out this season. The club will allow him to retire, and we'll settle amicably.
Just to add to this;
Pep Guardiola: 18 Trophies since 2007 and a year sabbatical.
Carlo Ancelotti: 17 Trophies since 1995.
Sir Alex: 50 Trophies since Sky created football.
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Whilst saying nothing about how shit Rooney has been too.
Moyes set us back 5 years and possibly cost the club up to 1b. I love SAF but he fecked the club big time with such a horrible decision. Moyes also made evra and vidic leave before their time.
I even think mournihno would be a good appointment at this point, he always wanted to coach mufc.
I'm sympathetic to his plight, because he has the character of a Manchester United manager, which was shown by his utter belief in that he would succeed. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons he obviously couldn't spur on from a decent first season, and here we are and the end is nigh.
In the scheme of things there's no reason to sympathize with a multimillionaire man on his way to enjoy retirement in his seaside mansion, but thankfully empathy isn't quite as black and white as that. I'm also a bit sad for us as United fans, because nothing would have been better than a man with his character succeeding in the job. He's the type of charismatic leader we need at the helm, but instead we all but certainly will be going back to the drawing board. That's a bit sad, in my opinion.
In the scheme of things there's no reason to sympathize with a multimillionaire man on his way to enjoy retirement in his seaside mansion, but thankfully empathy isn't quite as black and white as that. I'm also a bit sad for us as United fans, because nothing would have been better than a man with his character succeeding in the job. He's the type of charismatic leader we need at the helm, but instead we all but certainly will be going back to the drawing board. That's a bit sad, in my opinion.
Yeah I agree with this, he's come out with some shit but I'll always respect him as a manager having won what he's won but it's just not working and the longer it continues it will be to the detriment of the club and lvg.
Sometimes shit don't work!
The problem with that is that LVG has only won 4 of those trophies in the last 10 years.
The majority of his success was with Ajax (11 trophies), 20 odd years ago.
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I hope the board are asking Paul who he thinks should manage the team. They don't need to obviously, it's his mate Ryan, but he'd enjoy going on BT Sport to talk about it.
I don't know why people have sympathy for him or feel bad about the boos at the end of the match. He is a very rich man about to retire in a mansion on the beaches of Portugal.
his time is up it seems. or it should be.
I don't trust him to make shrewd use of january transfer window, given he just spent 200+ million to achieve feck all.
I don't trust him to make shrewd use of january transfer window, given he just spent 200+ million to achieve feck all.
Yeah, yeah - sure. But people - thankfully, I say - aren't arseholes. The way he came across after the match, all forlorn, and the idea of him possibly ending his career on this note, it's sad more than anything.
It's not all about money. Players retire rich but suffer from depression as their biggest joy in life, and what they worked so hard for, is no longer their occupation. Their dream career doesn't last as long as 'normal' jobs. Same with Van Gaal. Yes he'll retire rich but there's no doubt whatsoever that if things continue he'll leave the club with a huge sense of disappointment.
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On the conference, I've given him a lot of stick but felt for him tbh. To say 'maybe I was a successful manager' was really something you would never of expected a character like Van Gaal to say. It just isn't working out. I definitely have much more respect for him than David Moyes who thought he was a fantastic manager, blaming the players for it all, despite having achieved nothing close to that required status during his career.
It's not about money here, you have an old man who is genuinely doubting himself, money can't fix that, if he fails he will have that in his mind for a very long time.
To be fair, he was sacked in pretty much every big job since Ajax. Barca, Bayern and Holland all sacked him. Nothing new here.
The only bad thing is that unlike in Barca and Bayern, here he didn't have much success.
I think there is a mild case of him going senile, I once associated LVG with being a brash hard man character. He's been little more than a circus act over the last last 16 months.
He won't leave because the pay off will be huge, we're stuck until the board decide enough is enough.
He won't leave because the pay off will be huge, we're stuck until the board decide enough is enough.
He'll get over it, like we all do. Power of forgetting is our saving grace.
Christ and I thought I may be a bad newbie lol
Rooney is a busted flush and Van Gaal bet the lot on him. Although maybe he knew and that's why we wanted Muller so badly.
I think having spunked huge amounts of money, he achieved the bare minimum last year. Then, having spunked even more, he has dropped at the first hurdle in Europe, there are clubs like Crystal Palace with more attacking threat than us and there is no sign of us doing any better than last year. Enough is enough I reckon - before it's too late.
But it's all his own doing so no sympathy here.
People saying he should resign are having a laugh aren't they? Why would he resign? I doubt he cares too much about money but that's a good few million quid difference probably
I agree but does the board agree?
This is the same board that allowed Moyes stay in the hot seat until it was too late. The writing is on the wall, he's a dead man walking, I just want him gone.
They sacked Moyes in less than a year. And that was after Fergie, when things were always going to be a bit rough. He had a massive deal as well.
The big issue now is, for me, Mourinho's availability. He's a pain in the arse but has a proven record of success comparable to any manager in the game - and he's got a point to prove. He'll bring almost guaranteed progress and at worst regular CL football for the next few seasons. That ticks boxes for the board.
What people seem to forget is that the board don't own the club - their positions are under threat of expectations aren't met.
That's what i thought too. "We have to hope we can turn it around."
Economical reasons for Moyes. He had another 5 years on his contract, so if we didn't wait, the club had needed to pay 25m to him (instead of 5m we payed for him).
In LVG's case, he has another 18 months, so it is 'just' 12m. If he has a clause similar to Moyes (only pay the wage of one year if he fails to qualify for UCL), then by sacking him now (instead of summer) means that we have to pay just an extra 3-4m or so.
Of course, there are other reasons. Moyes was only in his first season and had strong support (from fans, media and the club). A lot of people thought that he was going to turn it around. Then on end of March/April when it became clear to everyone bar nahelai and drifter that Moyes is shit, it was already too late to fix anything.
Similarly, we can only hope than the board have lost their confidence in LVG. If they wait for another few months, then it might be too late. We are in a relegation form at the moment, and while it is possible we will get better, the top 4 will be extremely difficult.
It's his own doing, no doubt. But sympathy isn't something you "deserve" based on tangible and set parameters. It's something the giver decides to give for whatever reason or non-reason. I just felt for the old bastard, watching that interview.
He's full of himself, no question about it. But you can still look at him fecking up his last mission and go "oh, the humanity". Doesn't mean you think he isn't responsible for his own failure - just means you think the whole bloody mess is, well, sad.
It's very sad how the excitement we got from the impact of Martial, to the form of Mata (up to late October) along with midfield reinforcements in Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger has been sucked out of United.
van Gaal is a top manager, but I think it's gone as far as it can with him. He hedged his bets on captain Rooney. Everyone bought into Schweinsteiger and wore rose-tinted specs for 3 months. He also didn't manage to secure a much needed defender. 200odd million quid later there is a semi-decent 14 or 15 player core, with no idea how to play attacking football and no sign of improvement.
I think if he'll be given until January to improve results or bye bye. The football doesn't matter to the big fish. Results matter. 7 weeks ago everything was fine.
van Gaal is a top manager, but I think it's gone as far as it can with him. He hedged his bets on captain Rooney. Everyone bought into Schweinsteiger and wore rose-tinted specs for 3 months. He also didn't manage to secure a much needed defender. 200odd million quid later there is a semi-decent 14 or 15 player core, with no idea how to play attacking football and no sign of improvement.
I think if he'll be given until January to improve results or bye bye. The football doesn't matter to the big fish. Results matter. 7 weeks ago everything was fine.
If you get knocked out the CL in such manner and lose two consecutive matches against lower placed teams it sure creates doubts as we can clearly observe.
No chance we will piss around risking another year out the CL. I reckon he will be gone very soon.
I really enjoyed seeing/hearing him so much more modest now.
Still want him out though, obviously.
Still want him out though, obviously.
Well yeah, it's just weird to see the contrast.
Nice post. Agree with all that.