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Louis van Gaal: "I am - or maybe was - a very successful manager."
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Might be a fair point, but somewhat funny considering the Caf is basically begging for Mourinho at this stage.
Mind you, him throwing Rooney under a bus might make him an instant Caf hero...
My feelings now are the same. I feel bad for him after seeing those quotes but I still want him gone as that is good for the club.Want him gone, but that quote makes me feel really bad for Louis. He deserved a proper swansong at the highest level, guess it just wasn't meant to be. Never a good sight to see a celebrated manager go out the back door, especially one who's up there in age. Looks like he could use a hug too.
I hope the board act decisively and don't let the current situation carry on any longer. There is still mutual respect between the fans and him, let's recognise he took us as far as he could after the Moyes' reign of terror and part ways amicably. Much more of what we have seen recently and his head will be on a pike come Christmas. Last hurrah vs. Stoke then bring in Mourinho for Chelsea. It'd probably rev the renties up more than our own but it would be an unreal game.
Surely he has to acknowledge that he doesn't have the personnel to play controlled possession football. If it's not working against Norwich then what use is it.
His philosophy has failed and if he wants to keep his job he's gonna have to be more attacking.
His philosophy has failed and if he wants to keep his job he's gonna have to be more attacking.
There's a big difference between managing a site for a WC tournament and managing a club. Furthermore, the quality of the WC2014 was really poor.
It is not like SAF has never done that but to do that after every game is ridiculous. I would say the same if Mourinho does that. However if he is able to deliver then a lot will be forgiven.
He's spent £250 million and brought it 12 new players, so he has to take full responsibility for not having the right players to play his style of football.
Yep a lot of experience that is for sure. He seems all set to retire to his holiday home in Portugal after United so looks like it will be wasted but who can blame him. The point you make about Mourinho is true and perhaps why people demand instant success now or maybe he is like this because of it. I've no doubt LVG has came here to rebuild us from the ground up and that does take longer but maybe thinking they will get time to do that now is unrealistic which is sad.
I don't forget that but even if the landscape of football has changed it's still a game played with 11 men and a ball, players might be fitter but apart from that has it really changed that much? Tactics managers use now were around back then as well.
If you mean the Leicester game he said he could have cost us when McNair went charging forward. He didn't and if he had i'd imagine he would have been a bit more careful with his words but it's hardly throwing him under the bus.
He only got to the semi-final because of a shootout, it's important to mention that too.
The performances past the group stage for the Dutch weren't all that.
Indeed.
And even now his job is clearly on the line, he continues to play Rooney.
If anything, this is the time to put Rooney on the bench and remove all privileges.
Instead, he continues to play him (today).
The damage was done in the Summer, when he got rid of our attackers and decided that Rooney would provide us with the bulk of our goals. He has scored 2 EPL goals, so the rest is history.
@MarkC - I meant in the sense that he's stuck with his philosophy whereas it's time for him to adapt and change it as it's clear it's not working. SAF was a master at adapting.
Damnit, thread-title made me feel sentimental 
''And we only won the CL in Moscow because of that missed penalty''. There are many different interpretations one can give to a result.
Indeed.
I remember when we scored a goal, but needed 44 passes to take a shot.
The first thing I thought to myself was that against better teams we will never be allowed to make 44 passes. So this philosophy is completely flawed. Our version of possession football (with the current players), just doesn't work.
And our losses to Norwich and Bournemouth (relegation candidates) proves this.
That's an opinion. On the one hand we have people who complain like it's the end of the world the prospect of us not having a youth product in the squad and losing our record, we want to be a club that believes in youth, yet when LVG makes space so that they can get chances in the team people blame him for it. Would Pogba have got chances in an LVG team i'd imagine so. Point being the only way to test youth is to drop them into the team and I for one admire him for having the balls to do it, we can look back and say it's cost us but in the long run it benefits all these players and us as we find out if they are good enough.
I quite like van Gaal. Really shit how things have turned out.
I still think Wayne Rooney has a tighter grip on this club than we all know. Even when Fergie was in charge there were rumours about him wanting to know about our transfer business. We probably bent over backwards for him when he handed over his latest contract.
Fair words from LVG, but I think his time is up.
Today I really feels players let us down then LVG, but that's the thing, Its just didn't working.
My gut feeling is board will put blind faith on him until he fail measurably to save few quid. And we will have another disappointing season.
Today I really feels players let us down then LVG, but that's the thing, Its just didn't working.
My gut feeling is board will put blind faith on him until he fail measurably to save few quid. And we will have another disappointing season.
Head and shoulders above Moyes but it seems we hit our peak with him during that 4 game spell last year, since then we've slowly got worse where our performances dropped and now finally we're seeing the results falling too. I really like him as a man but his methods just haven't clicked and he's resposnible for the majority of the problems we're experiencing.
A lot of people are talking in this thread as though he has been sacked, that post match interview is a change in tone from him but I'm still of the opinion that the board will give him more time. Whether they should or not is a different matter.
A lot of people are talking in this thread as though he has been sacked, that post match interview is a change in tone from him but I'm still of the opinion that the board will give him more time. Whether they should or not is a different matter.
Even if he was some sort of genius at the last WC - and he really wasn't - it just hasn't worked here. From those early weeks at WBA when he declared that what you need in the PL was more physicality to those few good weeks last season that now look like a mirage in the desert, it's been almost entirely underwhelming. There are very few signs of progress. Even the solid defence has to be viewed in the context of playing defensive, risk-adverse football. On the rare occasions we have tried to attack our defence has looked vulnerable.
He has to go, I'm afraid. I think under him we'll miss out on the CL. With the amount of money we've spent that'd be an absolute shambles.
He has to go, I'm afraid. I think under him we'll miss out on the CL. With the amount of money we've spent that'd be an absolute shambles.
He changed the infamous 4-3-3 system and he was doomed to fail at the WC. He had the majority of the journalists against him with his choice to deploy 5 at the back. With the weeks passing by the whole nation was eating out of his hand. He observed a weakness and he created a system which could fully utilise the team's qualities. He went against all odds and almost reached the WC final.
Ah right I get you. You are right about SAF he changed with the times but his football stayed the same, if anything he become slightly more defensive in Europe and he adapted to the modern professional . Maybe this is where LVG has struggled to adapt and has cost him slightly in terms of not getting all the players onside and giving 110%.
THIS. My sentiments exactly.
LvG has brought in 10+ players, yet his philosophy is not working, though we spent 250 million pounds already. If we fire him, he will earn a few million quid, so I do not feel sorry for him at all. Thanks for the positives Louis, but the negatives are hurting us badly. Time to part our ways.
I don't think so. Seen most calling him a fraud.
The sympathy merchants are out in force!
I for one will have no sympathy for the man if/when he gets sacked I had no sympathy for Moyes either. Football is a ruthless business & the bottom line is we aren't getting results. He has spent £250m, has been as stubborn in his persistence with Rooney as he has been with his outdated philosophy. He is driven by an urge for possession so much that he's lost sight of the modern game.
We are 1 point better off than we were this time 2013 under the clueless one.
A single point.
I have no sympathy at all.
I for one will have no sympathy for the man if/when he gets sacked I had no sympathy for Moyes either. Football is a ruthless business & the bottom line is we aren't getting results. He has spent £250m, has been as stubborn in his persistence with Rooney as he has been with his outdated philosophy. He is driven by an urge for possession so much that he's lost sight of the modern game.
We are 1 point better off than we were this time 2013 under the clueless one.
A single point.
I have no sympathy at all.
None, he completely pulled that out of his ass and then used it as an example of LVG's legacy.
I don't think anyone would begrudge him if he walked now. People are obviously pissed off. We just heard Old Trafford boo him off the pitch. By his own admission he was a once successful manager who is clearly out of his depth and I'm sure most people can recognise that and would rather it didn't get overly personal.
All of you guys wondering why we hired van gaal in tge first place if he won the CL 20 years ago.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
makes me laugh that some people cant see the difference in the squad he has left behind than the one both SAF & Moyes left behind. Things are only going up now eith such a youthful squad.
Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
makes me laugh that some people cant see the difference in the squad he has left behind than the one both SAF & Moyes left behind. Things are only going up now eith such a youthful squad. Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
I honestly can't quite figure out why there's so much sympathy for him. He's unapologetically played awful football and made snide remarks about our legends.
I don't take any enjoyment in anyone losing their job but it bloody helps that he has a God complex.
All of you guys wondering why we hired van gaal in tge first place if he won the CL 20 years ago.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
You realize that you are not a football genius, right?
Can he take you with him?All of you guys wondering why we hired van gaal in tge first place if he won the CL 20 years ago.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
What is this rambling nonsense I just read? You do realize he's still here right?All of you guys wondering why we hired van gaal in tge first place if he won the CL 20 years ago.
When are you going to get it that he isnt that type of manager? He isnt here to win trophies every season; he was here because this club needed a different direction and to be less reliant on managers like SAF that happen once every 50 years.
He is ultimately the best assistant manager a team can have and lacks what he has always lacked as a manager; ehich is flexibility.
It doesn't matter he's gone; i just hope the younger players he has left behind such as Mcnair, Shaw, Lingard, Peireira Martial, Memphis all continue in their projected direction as many of van gaals influenced players have done in the last 20 years.
Thank you Van Gaal!! Though some think football is a simple game; it really isn't & I amongst a few others will look forward to seeing another manager do big things with the squad he has left behind.
Maybe we signed him at the wrong time.
I think he made a huge mistake by trusting his personnel in attack. That could be the decision that cost him.
I think he made a huge mistake by trusting his personnel in attack. That could be the decision that cost him.
I like Van Gaal, I'm not even sure he's going to get the sack and I hope he turns it around. He has made things difficult for himself though, almost everyone pointed out our squad was too thin and would struggle with injuries, and that counting on just Rooney to get the goals and shipping out almost every other striker we had over the past two seasons wasn't going to work. We have once again brought problems upon ourselves by wasting time in the transfer window, it has happened each season since Sir Alex left, we have wasted so much time targetting players that were impossible to sign and then stubbornly refused to sign anyone else when it doesn't work out. We were never getting Muller/Bale/Ramos etc. but we were to arrogant to see it and Van Gaal is then left with a unbalanced squad. Woodward must take some of the blame.
Don't really get the sympathy thing, he's had free reign to bring in, and sell, whoever he wants. Ripping up an entire squad in the process. He's also been given a blank cheque to spend as much as he wants to bring in these new players. And all he's managed to succeed in doing is creating a complete mess of a squad, that has no world class players, or any truly quality attacking players, expect a raw 19 year old. Despite it being the 3rd most expensive squad in Europe. He's also produced some of the dullest football I've ever seen of any team in the PL.
And tbh, he doesn't even seem that nice a bloke either. Just a very stubborn, very egotistical man, who tends to fall out with everyone around him.
And tbh, he doesn't even seem that nice a bloke either. Just a very stubborn, very egotistical man, who tends to fall out with everyone around him.