Television Lost: The Final Season

The Flying Potato said:
Fox stated a while ago that he wont be doing any more tv shows as he thinks hell be stuck as being known as Jack for all eternity - which tbf, I think can be said for most of the main cast
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Not in all cases. If they are a good enough actor they should be able to get away from previous characters. Just think Hal from Malcolm in the Middle, took about one episode of Breaking Bad to completely believe in the Walter White character.
 
Woodzy said:
I don't think they were married. I didn't see it mentioned anyway. I just think they were good friends through work.
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I always figured Jack and the sons mother were divorced, just like Jack in real life, before the crash
 
Devilton said:
Seems like quite a few of your guys didn't like the ending...I have to admit I actually thought it was decent considering there were always going to be some questions that the writers said they would never address.

Anyway, here's a piece from one of the Lost writers (not the main guys) which might shed some light on what exactly happened in the last season. Some of you might still think the season sucked, but ultimately for a show that dealt with so many themes (and some very abstract and subjective ones like faith and destiny) there was never going to be a "Ah HA that makes perfect sense" ending.

Anyway...here's the writer explaining the ending (and doing a damn better job then I ever could).


First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
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That is the problem for me.

For all their talk of not being able to answer all the big questions in life and universe, they decided to make a definite one in the side of faith. When something like what happens to us when we die is as big a question as our beginning in regards to universe.

Yes, that does bothers me as an atheist. I do not have a problem if they keep something like that open sided where people can draw their own conclusions with regards to faith and science. I do not want them to definitely answer in terms of science only. Infact if they had done that, there would be a major backlash.
 
Mockney said:
Complete pile of pretentious bollocks then?

Don't like that explanation/attempt to tell us how to get it at all

I hate it the idea of one of the writers feeling they have to tell us why it was so good....and the idea that "for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch"

What bollocks, almost every other show in America rams faith, the afterlife and big spiritual questions down your throat all the fecking time. They're obsessed with it.

I still like the finale, but I very much dislike this guys insistance that "hey, isn't that so cool that it was all about faith because that's so daring"...it's not daring at all. I'm happy to accept these characters resolutions in the afterlife as some form of "what happened to them in the end" kind of thing, but telling me the whole message of the show was that "having faith in things is more important than wanting to find out stuff" is not going to sit well I'm afraid.

Unfortunately, the more I think about it, the more I become convinced this is what they're saying. Both MIB and Locke for example were people who were obsessed with finding out things people wouldn't tell them, and they suffered big time for it.

The big heroes of the show were the people who just blindly followed shit
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I agree.

Infact the bold thing would have been to make a statement about there being no spiritual power. Then they would have gotten lynched in US. Almost every other US show now is starting rehash some biblical story. It is starting to get lame.

I like the finale as well, mainly because of Jack's character arc in it. I think the final scene was good as well.

I still do not get how MIB was the bad guy. For me it still all adds up to Jacob's insistence of not allowing him off the island as the reason for so many people dying.
 
Livvie said:
OK, so Jack's purgatory couldn't include Kate because they still had to find each other. Still not sure that having him married to Juliet in purgatory was a good idea - the fact that he conjured up a son, indicates that in his purgatory, he wanted to have been a father, so if he could conjure up a son, he had control over his imagination - so why imagine Juliet and not Kate?

I presume that in Juliet's purgatory - and judging by her behaviour by the vending machine - she wasn't Jack's wife?
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It was everyone's purgatory.
 
Livvie said:
I presume that in Juliet's purgatory - and judging by her behaviour by the vending machine - she wasn't Jack's wife?
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They were divorced. They said so during Jack & Son's first flash sideways if I'm not mistaken.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
Found this on another forum:

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding
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That's an awesome read! Thanks Nilsson!
 
B Cantona said:
Ay, I enjoyed it when it was something different back in the first series, before they started blagging it

Surely now the spoilers can stop? Anyone who hasn't watched the finale should just avoid this thread. Or do I have to spoiler a thread about Dallas still?
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It actually doesn't air on Irish telly til Friday. Not everything stops at US & UK
 
Then again, where do you draw the line, Geebs.
The finale won't be shown on Danish television until a year from now.
 
crappycraperson said:
I agree.

Infact the bold thing would have been to make a statement about there being no spiritual power. Then they would have gotten lynched in US. Almost every other US show now is starting rehash some biblical story. It is starting to get lame.

I like the finale as well, mainly because of Jack's character arc in it. I think the final scene was good as well.

I still do not get how MIB was the bad guy. For me it still all adds up to Jacob's insistence of not allowing him off the island as the reason for so many people dying.
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I agree....er..too

Jack's story was the best thing about it. Fox did an excellent job. It was basically fantastic television..I just hate what they were trying to say. If I ignore that and just go with the scenes and how cool they were, then I'm fine with it.

Almost all my reservations with Lost were with Across the Sea, and the things that dealt with and insinuated. The Finale was very good on a character level, which is what it should have been. They just should've had better answers and a better philosophy set down before it.
 
That post from Nilsson is great, but hasn't Fox said himself that the Jack character was going to be killed off at the end of the pilot but the station made them change it. So how could they have the ending with Jack all planned out if he was originally going to die before the show even properly got going?
 
That's a good point actually. I'd like clarification on that. I've been thinking today how great it was if they did write that ending just after the pilot.
 
The_Red_Hope said:
Seen the finale a couple of times now and I have to say it was rather good. Much better than I hoped for seeing how the season was progressing.


The Alt -

This had to be the most poignant ending possible and explained the entire FS storyline in one line. I'm sure many of us will be going back and reviewing the FS for more clues but I thought it was well done.

And Ben choosing to stay out was a good move I thought. The group hugs bordered on being slightly campy but the overall emotional impact of seeing the characters that we've grown to care so much about finally getting their peace and being allowed to move on was great.

The Score for the last five minutes was mind-blowingly brilliant. Michael Giacchino take a bow !!

The Island -

Most of what happened on the island during the finale is what I was left feeling slightly disappointed about. The entire pulling the cork out and putting it back in. Flocke becoming mortal, Richard ageing, Jack being stabbed by Flocke and surviving the light - made little or no sense to me. Lapidus and co flying off the island, Flockes plan to use the boat to get off the island was all decisively meh.
But I guess all in all it was satisfying to a certain degree, its the best they could do to resolve the character arcs. Could they have answered some of the questions better? Hell Yes.
I'm not going to complain though, because all in all this was a great show that kept me entertained and obsessed for the better part of six years. And for that we have to give them credit. Thank you LOST !

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Good post, sums up my feelings. I think I'm willing to accept that it is a sci-fi show (even though there isn't a lot of science behind the mysteries), and hence willing to accept the magic light etc, still feel a tad uneasy about it and across the sea was still a disaster in my eyes.

golden_blunder said:
It actually doesn't air on Irish telly til Friday. Not everything stops at US & UK
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It aired on RTE last night at 9, it usually airs on Thursday but they moved it forward.
 
"You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not please all of the people all of the time..."


I loved it. :D
 
They could well have done it after the pilot in fairness. But it can't have been the ending he wanted "all along" if the main character of it wasn't even in his original plans.

can't find any proper quotes from real people but,

In the original outline of Lost, Jack was going to be killed halfway through the first episode. Lost creator J. J. Abrams was interested in Michael Keaton for the role, as Abrams wanted to work with him.

The producers felt that if the audience became attached to the character during the first episode, and then he was killed, they might resent the show. His death was meant to shock the audience so they would never know what would happen next.
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Spoony Youngblood said:
Some people are entertained by Corrie or Eastenders. And yeah, I watched the finale. . . I'm just glad the series lost my interest a few years ago. A soap opera is probably the best way to describe it. The first series was very good and it's a shame it disappeared up its arse so quickly. But heh, each to their own eh.
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Agree that Season 1 was some of the best script writing ever as well as a fantastic 101 on how a civilisation is created and how the institutions of beliefs, morals and power emerge.

But I then got totally confused by the middle of about season 3 and lost interest and track.

Should I start watching it again all the way to the end or does it just get more stupid? Is the ending worth going through 3 full seasons this summer?
 
sammsky1 said:
Agree that Season 1 was some of the best script writing ever as well as a fantastic 101 on how a civilisation is created and how the institutions of beliefs, morals and power emerge.

But I then got totally confused by the middle of about season 3 and lost interest and track.

Should I start watching it again all the way to the end or does it just get more stupid? Is the ending worth going through 3 full seasons this summer?
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I thought it was well worth it!
 
I think Season 1 was just really fantastic. Season 2 was really annoying except for maybe the last two episodes. Season 3 was ok but then near the end it got better and was consistently decent (minus an episode here and there which just seemed like filler or leadups).

The ending is worth it imo.

Plus I agree with the whole notion of spoilers. Its been a couple of days since its been shown and if you dont want to be spoiled why go into a Lost discussion thread after its aired?
 
Discussing this with a friend we agreed that Lost would have been one of the best TV shows ever if only seasons three, four and five hadn't existed, or had been condensed into only one season.
 
Something that has probably already been noticed but I thought of earlier.

When Jack meets Jacob in the hospital he's trying to get a stuck chocolate bar from a vending machine, Jacob retrieves it and hands it to Jack, the chocolate bar? An Apollo, Apollo being the Roman/Greek god of light. Basically Jacob was handing Jack the light.

Onto the finale we have the same setup with Sawyer trying to get an Apollo from a vending machine, the solution to the problem, pull the plug out and then put it back in, just like the plug on the island.
 
sammsky1 said:
Should I start watching it again all the way to the end or does it just get more stupid? Is the ending worth going through 3 full seasons this summer?
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I reckon you should. There's not much on this summer and you may as well grimace through season 3 and 4 (starts to pick up again in season 5).

I think I mainly carried on watching it because I just wanted to see what would happen in the end.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
Something that has probably already been noticed but I thought of earlier.

When Jack meets Jacob in the hospital he's trying to get a stuck chocolate bar from a vending machine, Jacob retrieves it and hands it to Jack, the chocolate bar? An Apollo, Apollo being the Roman/Greek god of light. Basically Jacob was handing Jack the light.

Onto the finale we have the same setup with Sawyer trying to get an Apollo from a vending machine, the solution to the problem, pull the plug out and then put it back in, just like the plug on the island.
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Cool.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
Something that has probably already been noticed but I thought of earlier.

When Jack meets Jacob in the hospital he's trying to get a stuck chocolate bar from a vending machine, Jacob retrieves it and hands it to Jack, the chocolate bar? An Apollo, Apollo being the Roman/Greek god of light. Basically Jacob was handing Jack the light.

Onto the finale we have the same setup with Sawyer trying to get an Apollo from a vending machine, the solution to the problem, pull the plug out and then put it back in, just like the plug on the island.
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I bet you just overheard someone say that on the bus.
 
Solius said:
I can't see O'Quinn & Emerson being out of work for long, excellent actors. Locke's evil look as Smokey he kept doing in the finale was creepy as feck. Fox was also excellent as the season went on. I read somewhere that Evangeline Lilly won't be doing much acting after this, will be doing missionary work or something.
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I'd love to do some missionary work with her :drool:
 
sammsky1 said:
Agree that Season 1 was some of the best script writing ever as well as a fantastic 101 on how a civilisation is created and how the institutions of beliefs, morals and power emerge.

But I then got totally confused by the middle of about season 3 and lost interest and track.

Should I start watching it again all the way to the end or does it just get more stupid? Is the ending worth going through 3 full seasons this summer?
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Nah, you've probably already seen the best of Lost, it just got too silly from where you left it. The only reason why most people kept on watching it was because it became a soap opera. . .that and they just wanted to know how it'd conclude. Basically, I'm sure there's better stuff to waste your time on. That said, I'd love to watch a decent TV drama/series.
 
Anyone who moans about it being too silly should have stopped watching in the Pilot really, when 48 people survived a major passenger airplane crash with many of those virtually unscathed, then hearing a giant monster smashing down trees in the jungle. Not really sure why people expected realism from then on out.
 
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They were divorced. They said so during Jack & Son's first flash sideways if I'm not mistaken.
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OK. Still can't get my head round that one. He loved Kate - although he did have a bit of a fling with Juliet. So in purgatory he was divorced from Juliet. Why?

It's the only one I can't grasp. Apart from the way the scriptwriters made Shannon Sayid's soulmate despite giving everyone the idea that Nadia was his true love.
 
Sayid himself didn't believe he deserved Nadia, he said so himself and also seems in the world they all created he didn't think so there either as she was with his brother.
 
Solius said:
Sayid himself didn't believe he deserved Nadia, he said so himself and also seems in the world they all created he didn't think so there either as she was with his brother.
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Good thinking, Batman.

I think from next Monday, we could just add SPOILERS to the thread title, and do away with the tags? Thoughts?
 
Solius said:
Anyone who moans about it being too silly should have stopped watching in the Pilot really, when 48 people survived a major passenger airplane crash with many of those virtually unscathed, then hearing a giant monster smashing down trees in the jungle. Not really sure why people expected realism from then on out.
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Non sense.

I love some of David Lynch's movies. There is a method to the madness. Here there was not, at least from S2 onwards. No surprise they dropped the ball after JJ Abrams left.
 
Again it will always come down to a matter of opinion really. I loved Season 2 on my first watch and thought Season's 3 and 4 were weak. On my second watch right before Season 6 I thought both 3 & 4 had some fantastic stuff in them and were much better seasons than I originally thought.
 
Livvie said:
OK. Still can't get my head round that one. He loved Kate - although he did have a bit of a fling with Juliet. So in purgatory he was divorced from Juliet. Why?

It's the only one I can't grasp. Apart from the way the scriptwriters made Shannon Sayid's soulmate despite giving everyone the idea that Nadia was his true love.
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Christian Shephard said they were the most important people, or it was the most important time in their lives or something. I'm guessing in terms of Sayid's life, and what he did, his on-island actions were more important in the scheme of things, than what happened before the crash. Therefore the relationaship with Shannon was more important within events than the one with Nadia.
 
The last ever line spoken on the show was "Let's go find out".

Jack's last words were "See you in another life, Brother". Ironically he kind of did.
 
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