Television Lost: The Final Season

VidaRed said:
the whispers are from the dead people who died on the island whilst hurley can see dead people everywhere but when he's talks with dead people outside the island there are no whispers.
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...but, my understaning of it was, the whispers were of people who's souls were trapped on the island because of the bad shit they have done, right? It's straightforward enough i suppose, but the only dead person we've seen on the island that has done bad shit is Michael (again, i may have forgotten things, so this may not be true, but as far as i know the other dead people were either seen off the island also or had never been on the island)

To me it looks like a massive kop out by the writers. The whispers were originally used to add to the original creepyness and mystery of 'the others.' It was always going to be hard for them to justify it when the others turned out to be normal people, so they needed to tie it in some how.

Although, i'm not as bothered about it as i make it sound. There's more than enough going on now that keeps me watching, and i forgot about the whispers till this episode anyway tbh.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
Some people don't know when they air in america, it's safer this way and it really isn't that much trouble.
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And i agree with the statement. Me being a prime example, as i saw this thread bumped and entered it, then saw the last 4 or 5 posts being riddled with "amazing episode" and spoiler tags and realised that it had just been aired.

If there were no spoiler tags i would have been fecked.
 
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Solius said:
Another great episode

I don't think both realities are happening at exactly the same time are they? I thought Desmond ran down Locke to give him a near death experience so he could remember the island, and from his expression it looked like he did. Did anyone else think his facial expression was very similar to when he looked into Smokeys eyes in Season 1? Also did anyone feel incredibly sorry for alt Locke being run down? Despite it being kind of necessary.

Whispers explanation was a bit random but good to get one nonetheless.

The Illana thing I did not see coming :lol: It was the same kind of shock as the Artz explosion, so early in the ep too.
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Yes, the poor bastard was having a right struggle rolling around. I could tell he was going to get run down by Brotha Desmond.

I like the theory that he will 'remember' and then get up and walk. Was nice to see Hurley get some attention in the episode too.
 
You can put a safe bet that Locke will end up at St Sebastians and will cross paths with Jack. Now he seems to have also seen the other reality would be a nice Season One/Two throwback with Locke trying to convince Jack of the other reality and him not believing.
 
Terrible episode :lol: It's so obvious they're trying to prolonge the life of the serie, they're sidetracking the plot every fecking episode with some old character everybody already forgotten.
 
Top said:
Was he flashing back and fourth in the last episode? Was it not just a normal alternate storyline - where he only became aware of the real storyline after Charlie drove into the water?

I think Desmond ran Locke over to show him the the real storyline - as they have to come close to death to see it.
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yeah but no but yeah but....I think he drove over Locke because he wanted him to see...but also, he didn't know that Locke wasn't Locke...Basically he was put in that machine and we went into the alt. Then at the end of the alt, when we shook hands with Penny, he flashed back to island with full memories of both, or at least that's what I thought...hence why when we flashed back to alt again, he woke up and told the bloke from Short Circuit that he needed the manifest.

I sort of garnered from that that his flashes are now happening much like his flashes in The Constant

Or not?...what does everyone else think?
 
Mockney said:
yeah but no but yeah but....I think he drove over Locke because he wanted him to see...but also, he didn't know that Locke wasn't Locke...Basically he was put in that machine and we went into the alt. Then at the end of the alt, when we shook hands with Penny, he flashed back to island with full memories of both, or at least that's what I thought...hence why when we flashed back to alt again, he woke up and told the bloke from Short Circuit that he needed the manifest.

I sort of garnered from that that his flashes are now happening much like his flashes in The Constant

Or not?...what does everyone else think?
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But that was just him remembering stuff - he can't travel from one universe to the other like some Super Lostie, which I thought was what you meant.

Him hitting Locke with the car didn't have anything to do with what had just happened on the island. I think.

Edit: just re-read what you wrote. I don't think island-Des knows about the alternate world. When he was put in the machine and we suddenly saw his alt - that was just for our benefit, it wasn't what Desmond was seeing. At least that's what I thought.

Lost.
 
Top said:
But that was just him remembering stuff - he can't travel from one universe to the other like some Super Lostie, which I thought was what you meant.

Him hitting Locke with the car didn't have anything to do with what had just happened on the island. I think.

Edit: just re-read what you wrote. I don't think island-Des knows about the alternate world. When he was put in the machine and we suddenly saw his alt - that was just for our benefit, it wasn't what Desmond was seeing. At least that's what I thought.

Lost.
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Ah see no I was fully under the impression that he had seen what we saw

Completely Lost
 
niMic said:
Yeah, I think it's probably as simple as that.

By the way, what's the point of this spoiler thing we've got going? Obviously every single post in this thread after the episode has aired in the US is going to be about that episode, one way or another. So we get silly situations like this, where there's a dozen posts in a row, all just saying "Spoiler". Why don't people who would rather wait until it's aired in Britain simply stay out of the thread until it's aired? It's not like they're going to get anything meaningful out of the thread in the hiatus anyway.
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So true. It's really fecking stupid.
 
Top said:
But that was just him remembering stuff - he can't travel from one universe to the other like some Super Lostie, which I thought was what you meant.

Him hitting Locke with the car didn't have anything to do with what had just happened on the island. I think.

Edit: just re-read what you wrote. I don't think island-Des knows about the alternate world. When he was put in the machine and we suddenly saw his alt - that was just for our benefit, it wasn't what Desmond was seeing. At least that's what I thought.

Lost.
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Island-Des DOES know what's going in the alternate reality. Remember in The Constant when he kept flashing back and forth that he fainted every time he flashed? I think after he became grounded, past-Des just carried on being Desmond and island-Des went about his business.

I think the same thing is happening here, just because while he was with Penny he fainted and then came back again. So alt-Des must've flashed to island-Des and then promptly flashed back again so he has knowledge of both realities. Then when he woke up and told Widmore he knew what to do he was somehow grounded again like before. So alt-Des goes about his business and island-Des goes about his business but he has STOPPED flashing. That's my theory.
 
Is it possible that the alternative reality has something to do with Smokey telling everyone he can give them what they want (e.g. it is what will happen if he gets them off the island?)

I'm wondering why Desmond isn't scared, and why Flocke is so concerned about this fact. Maybe he suspects that Desmond is responsible for sabotaging his matrix-style 'prison' for the other candidates from the inside, hence his actions in the last episode
 
Woodzy said:
...but, my understaning of it was, the whispers were of people who's souls were trapped on the island because of the bad shit they have done, right? It's straightforward enough i suppose, but the only dead person we've seen on the island that has done bad shit is Michael (again, i may have forgotten things, so this may not be true, but as far as i know the other dead people were either seen off the island also or had never been on the island)

To me it looks like a massive kop out by the writers. The whispers were originally used to add to the original creepyness and mystery of 'the others.' It was always going to be hard for them to justify it when the others turned out to be normal people, so they needed to tie it in some how.

Although, i'm not as bothered about it as i make it sound. There's more than enough going on now that keeps me watching, and i forgot about the whispers till this episode anyway tbh.
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is correct.

Expect more "answers" like this.
 
niMic said:
Yeah, I think it's probably as simple as that.

By the way, what's the point of this spoiler thing we've got going? Obviously every single post in this thread after the episode has aired in the US is going to be about that episode, one way or another. So we get silly situations like this, where there's a dozen posts in a row, all just saying "Spoiler". Why don't people who would rather wait until it's aired in Britain simply stay out of the thread until it's aired? It's not like they're going to get anything meaningful out of the thread in the hiatus anyway.
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I agree, I can not be bothered to go through this garbage of "spoilers" just because some people have no self control.
 
I heard two people at work talking about Lost today to my surprise. The only people I know who watch it are me and a mate. Had a talk with them about it and surprisingly they were as up to date as me and weren't just casual viewers, our IT guy could rival me for Lost knowledge. Been working there nearly a year and never knew I was among fellow Losties.
 
The Flying Potato said:
I know right! And whats more annoying is theyve done it so they can re-show Ab Aeterno...it's just so pointless no matter how good that episode was.
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Thats idiotic! they could always show that episode an hour before the new episode.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next episode ends with a cliffhanger and we'll have to wait 2 long weeks :wenger:
 
Ah well, at least it delays the end for another week, I don't want it to end :(
 
101 said:
Island-Des DOES know what's going in the alternate reality. Remember in The Constant when he kept flashing back and forth that he fainted every time he flashed? I think after he became grounded, past-Des just carried on being Desmond and island-Des went about his business.

I think the same thing is happening here, just because while he was with Penny he fainted and then came back again. So alt-Des must've flashed to island-Des and then promptly flashed back again so he has knowledge of both realities. Then when he woke up and told Widmore he knew what to do he was somehow grounded again like before. So alt-Des goes about his business and island-Des goes about his business but he has STOPPED flashing. That's my theory.
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Yarp. Also he calls his son Charlie when Ben thinks he a Pedo...and his son is called Charlie in the reg time line, he doesn't have one in the Alt...So is that scene part revenge then?..Or purely his guru shit?
 
@ Mockney: Might want to spoiler that. Also:

I agree with whoever said they thought Locke would get up and start walking again. When the camera zoomed in on his face I thought I'd seen it before but couldn't place it (a bit silly I know). What I have no idea of is how making everyone have these flashes in the al-timeline is going to help anything
 
101 said:
@ Mockney: Might want to spoiler that. Also:

I agree with whoever said they thought Locke would get up and start walking again. When the camera zoomed in on his face I thought I'd seen it before but couldn't place it (a bit silly I know). What I have no idea of is how making everyone have these flashes in the al-timeline is going to help anything
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Yeah, I reckon no matter how they put the two timelines together in the end it'll still feel a bit pointless and ultimately a waste of valuable Lost time.
 
VidaRed said:
*usual crap*
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I really don't want to sound like the spoiler nazi, but seriously!?

Surely you can fathom that saying that is going to reveal something about the character who returns?

I know you feel like a victim, but with stuff like that you have no one but yourself to blame.
 
Top said:
I really don't want to sound like the spoiler nazi, but seriously!?

Surely you can fathom that saying that is going to reveal something about the character who returns?

I know you feel like a victim, but with stuff like that you have no one but yourself to blame.
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hehe, I read the spoiler. He's just pulling a fast one ;)
 
SirAF said:
hehe, I read the spoiler. He's just pulling a fast one ;)
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Even so, it's fecking stupid. He never ever learns. What if someone reads it and thinks it's been spoiled for him, so they decide to look at the actual spoiler only to find out he was joking.
 
Solius said:
Even so, it's fecking stupid. He never ever learns. What if someone reads it and thinks it's been spoiled for him, so they decide to look at the actual spoiler only to find out he was joking.
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niMic said:
Quite. Not that the original post by Mockney was much better. "Casting Spoiler" would have been enough. It was all pretty predictable when he said what was actually going on.
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Exactly.
 
Great this again. Youse are all fecking idiots. I'd wager few quid that Vidared will ruin the entire ending of Lost in the upcoming weeks. Good thing I still have him on ignore.
 
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