FYI I wonder what the chances are the doctors actually knew he was concussed but after salah, Liverpool were not willing to waste another sub...
Loris Karius appreciation thread
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- Why are results coming so long after the tests? The concussion could've happened through anything.
- It's all a PR Stunt by Karius' represetantives.
- The tests were in a hospital owned by John Henry, the results are tainted.
- Liverpool are trying to save their faces with these results. There was never a concussion
This forum is the most sane fan forum out there, but jees when it comes to anything Liverpool it turns into the Alex Jones network
Don't you think it's the job of Liverpool to make him recover? And the reason he maybe can't recover is because Liverpool did nothing to try and quel all the hatred coming towards him after the match. If they suspected a concussion they should've announced it before hand and protected their player, instead we've seen constant transfer rumours for Alisson (and Clissen FFS). Like you've said as well, he was in good form before the match and if Liverpool are trying to make us believe that he had a concussion then they should atleast keep more faith in him.
- It's all a PR Stunt by Karius' represetantives.
- The tests were in a hospital owned by John Henry, the results are tainted.
- Liverpool are trying to save their faces with these results. There was never a concussion
This forum is the most sane fan forum out there, but jees when it comes to anything Liverpool it turns into the Alex Jones network
Don't you think it's the job of Liverpool to make him recover? And the reason he maybe can't recover is because Liverpool did nothing to try and quel all the hatred coming towards him after the match. If they suspected a concussion they should've announced it before hand and protected their player, instead we've seen constant transfer rumours for Alisson (and Clissen FFS). Like you've said as well, he was in good form before the match and if Liverpool are trying to make us believe that he had a concussion then they should atleast keep more faith in him.
Concussion made him pass the ball right to Benzema's leg which was about a foot away from him?
Yeah right.
Yeah right.
The owner is John Henry not Arnold (I was watching West World while commenting) my mistake he is still a major contributor to the hospital.
It's obvious he had concussion, no other explanation for few good saves he made in the finals.
Looks like Allison prefers Madrid.This only makes sense if they're not going to replace him so they're trying to vindicate him.
Give him a new 5 year contract I say. Like they did with Mignolet.
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How does a concussed Karius manage to save that shot from Isco? Isco holding his head in disbelief.
He'd been excellent for 6 months beforehand. He'll hopefully start the season as no1.
Karius made the exact same mistake against Roma too from a Kolarov long range shot which should've resulted in a goal. Was he concussed then too?
This he has proven many times before. Playing for the same club.
It's not like he was putting in De Gea like performances before and this is suddenly out of character for him. If it was, the reaction to his blunders would be different.
Heh. Got wound up a bit in the end. The final was just the latest of Ramos. Sure it comes over as sour grapes, but I personally haven't been able to stand the guy because of the shit he has pulled over the years. He is the sole reason I end up cheering for the opponents. Rest of the Real are ok.
Sorry for the minor derailment guys. Back to Karius.
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Having recently recovered as of a few weeks ago from a rather concussion, I can tell you they are absolutely no joke and some of the most serious symptoms do not even appear minutes after the blow. Obviously my personal experience is my own but having read hundreds of testimonies on it, in some cases, it takes between 2-7 days for real headaches/migraines/vertigo to appear.
It's impossible to say concussion was the reason that Karius effed up his final and I'm just not willing to laugh about it at the moment. If anything at this level, a blow to head, he has to take responsibility and signal it to his medical team because if he truly suffered from it then it can be turned into "Karius was too selfish and put himself before Liverpool".
Either way he loses
It's impossible to say concussion was the reason that Karius effed up his final and I'm just not willing to laugh about it at the moment. If anything at this level, a blow to head, he has to take responsibility and signal it to his medical team because if he truly suffered from it then it can be turned into "Karius was too selfish and put himself before Liverpool".
Either way he loses
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This!
Tests were made in a Hospital where John W Henry is a Trustee on the board of directors.
Maybe we should replay the 1958 FA Cup Final when for the second Bolton goal United goalkeeper Harry Gregg was bundled over the goal line by Nat Lofthouse.
Karius is not a good goalkeeper - end of story.
This is so ridiculous.
Maybe we should replay the 1958 FA Cup Final when for the second Bolton goal United goalkeeper Harry Gregg was bundled over the goal line by Nat Lofthouse.
Karius is not a good goalkeeper - end of story.
This is so ridiculous.
An over-used word but the need to a) do a retrospective review of the match footage to come up with a sketchy diagnosis to excuse a shit performance and b) release the medical report to the media is one of the most embarrassing things I’ve seen/heard in football.
Laid to rest. End of discussion to me.
I agree that this is total crap and, in truth, an embarrassment.
I’ve possibly seen more of him than most on here and while its so difficult to call with a keeper at a relatively young age and with such limited experience, he has shown signs that he could be a good keeper.
I think (as you probably hope) that Klopp will stick with him and next season will either be the making of him or never to be heard of again (except in folklore!).
Settles it then. Replay the match from the Ramos incident when Karius is healed and sent Ramos off.
Or just suck it up, next year will obviously be Liverpool's turn to shine innit.
Or just suck it up, next year will obviously be Liverpool's turn to shine innit.
This is worse than the David Haye, ‘broken toe,’ excuse that was used after his defeat to Klitchko.
I totally believe the reports. He should be Pool's No 1 next season.
I don't see how being an average goalkeeper and having a concussion are mutually exclusive here, although of course it makes people more skeptical about it.
Klopp should really just cut his losses and sell him anyway, but I think he's too proud and stubborn to already admit his mistake in this case.
Klopp should really just cut his losses and sell him anyway, but I think he's too proud and stubborn to already admit his mistake in this case.
This is the error against Roma I'm talking about.
I'm sure if the great Dr was given enough money, he'd confirm any diagnosis the Liverpool staff suggested as long as it was feasible. You can't tell me that making this statement hasn't damaged his reputation anyway, he will have been paid very well to make it.
You could make a case for being concussed because you banged your head getting into the car. It's absolute bollocks to try and save face because the mistakes he made were THAT bad.
We'll see anyway, they can't keep using the concussion excuse next season when he continues to make these mistakes. Then we'll see how credible this doctors statements are.
A medical report from an hospital in which Liverpool's owner John Henry is a trustee.
IMO they've already decided to replace him and are trying to stop his value from plummeting any further
Yeah it's not like they have an oath to adhere to or something. I don't see what we'd gain by spreading false information, and it would be stupid to go to such lengths to do so, especially by one of the best hospitals in the USA.
Very conveninent excuse.
How did he manage the great saves after the first mistake?
Not buying this at all lol
How did he manage the great saves after the first mistake?
Not buying this at all lol
The amount of people in this thread ready to believe a professional doctor would wrongly diagnose someone in order to save Liverpool's faces is beyond comprehension.
What's the idea here? That Liverpool paid a medical expert from a renowned hospital to say Karius had a concussion? How can you be so incredibly stupid and ignorant?
What's the idea here? That Liverpool paid a medical expert from a renowned hospital to say Karius had a concussion? How can you be so incredibly stupid and ignorant?
Oath really? There are so many reasons to publish the report, one is to back the player after all what happened and to calm down few fans.
The publication of a footballer's injury diagnosis by the hospital's website doesn't ever happen at all. I believe he did have the concussion, but making it public is a pure PR move by either Liverpool or by Karius's agents and is actually quite pathetic.
By spreading false information and thus endangering your own integrity as a doctor who probably doesn't have any affinity with Liverpool or even football in general? I'm not really buying that, I'd tell anyone who orders me to do that to feck off, trustee or not.
I thought it's not so much the diagnosis but rather a statement about the tests? Don't necessarily disagree with the last bit, as it simply doesn't matter anymore except that head injuries should get more attention in football.
Did they release grade of concussion? If it was grade 1 then it doesn't matter. Looking at Karius reaction after elbow seem pretty obvious even if he had concussion it could not have been above grade 1.
English media trying their hardest to justify the loss. But the comments about making this up are a bit much right?
That is literally what happened. I don’t know or care how accurate the diagnosis is. I’m sure the doctor involved won’t lose any sleep about any possible inaccuracy. As you can see from the (carefully worded) statement he’s quite up front about how speculative the whole thing is and it’s not as though there’s any sort of treatment or consequences depending on whether Karius was concussed or not. The doctor is well within his rights to err on the side of caution here, which is evidently what he’s done. Doesn’t make the whole thing any less toe-curling as far as LFC/Karius are concerned.
No. What happened is they paid a doctor to perform tests on Karius, and based on those tests the doctor concluded that Karius had suffered a concussion.
Why? You don't think it changes how we should perceive Karius's performance that he had suffered a concussion?
I'm sure a professional, well-respected doctor has too much integrity to put forth a diagnosis he doesn't really believe in.
Where do you see this? Are you referring to the fact that they reviewed game footage? It would make sense for doctors to review the incident whenever they had the chance. I once suffered a concussion on my bicycle; if that had been filmed I'm pretty sure the doctors would have asked to see the tape in order to qualify their diagnosis.
Uh, yes. If you're saying the doctor has diagnosed Karius with concussion just to please Liverpool then by definition you're questioning his integrity.