Liverpool : General discussion

Klopper76 said:
Apparently it was made because Lovren was on a yellow and looking likely to get another. Toure would have been a smarter sub though.
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That was good thinking by Klopp at least.

And I'd rather Klopp 'sees' Skrtel for what a shit head he really is now rather than against Dortmund when it's too late.
 
Klopper76 said:
Apparently it was made because Lovren was on a yellow and looking likely to get another. Toure would have been a smarter sub though.
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Lovren did seem especially geed up facing his former club at St Mary's. But as you say, Kolo would have been the wiser choice. Heard that Skrtel got sent off in an under-21 game mid-week.
 
Fact is we are both shit.

Just saw the goals. ...Sakho was the defender on the goalscorer for all 3.
 
mav_9me said:
Fact is we are both shit.

Just saw the goals. ...Sakho was the defender on the goalscorer for all 3.
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I think I heard for the second one that Skrtel was deeper than the rest of the back four? Maybe it was the first goal. He was definitely involved in the third when going in for a challenge with Allen, but thankfully Mane was there to clean up...

You're right that we're both crap at the moment, but you can add Arsenal, Chelsea and City to that list. Strange season.
 
Utd have just given us a lifeline by beating City. Thanks, you just made a difficult weekend into a bearable one.

No more Skrtel you twat Jurgen!!
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Honestly no idea what you're talking about Dumbstar
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I think he means a lifeline for top four, but I doubt we'll get the points needed now and there's five sides between us and being in fourth. We've got more chance of winning the Europa League. If we somehow manage to navigate our way past Dortmund I think we can win it. I'm not sure we'll manage to beat them in our current state but we'll see.

Honestly I thought I'd seen the back of capitulations like what happened today. It's such a crappy way to lose.
 
Liverpool are so inconsistent. Awesome one week, awful the next.
 
Bwuk said:
Liverpool are so inconsistent. Awesome one week, awful the next.
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Isn't that a fact. But it comes with a team in transition, it will be interesting to see who Klopp buys (he has bought Matip & Gruijic (sp.) already but I fancy at least another 3 will be inbound) and how the team lines up for the start of next season.

We should have had that game put to bed in the first half, it's no exaggeration at all to say we could and maybe should have been 5 up by HT (Allen's disallowed goal, if only Sakho had ignored it instead of trying to divert it, missing but putting himself in play and offside, Allen's miss from 5m - good save by the keeper, and Sturridge being his greedy self and not passing inside to Allen on the penalty spot when we were on a 3 on 2 break.

For the 2nd half there were tactical changes for both teams, Southampton's worked big time. Wanyama came on and broke up our midfield play that had been killing them, Mane came on and fully exploited the space left by Skrtel's HT substitution and totally inept display by going on walkabout and leaving Sakho to try to manage a gaping hole and 2 on 1, that one's on Klopp and the coaching team - Skrtel was not fit to start and was sent off in midweek too in another shite performance for the U21s.

It should however also be noted that with the injuries we have we were basically the same team playing their 4th match in 11 days, 2 more than Southampton, and that is 10 matches more than any other team in the league for the season. Undoubtedly that fatigue was visible as we suddenly started to fail to close down and looked a yard short into every challenge or race for the ball.
 
@Rafateria We should have been 3-0 up against you at halftime on thursday and we had played fifty games in two weeks and have a starting XI injured. I win.
And it's debatable that Liverpool has been "awesome" at any point this season.
 
Roosney said:
@Rafateria We should have been 3-0 up against you at halftime on thursday and we had played fifty games in two weeks and have a starting XI injured. I win.
And it's debatable that Liverpool has been "awesome" at any point this season.
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As you are counting half chances (not full on 'should have been a goal' as against Saints yesterday) then it should probably have been 3-3 at HT because even though you dominated possession we were still creating (read the match thread and you can see that at HT most United supporters agreed that with the chances we were getting we would score sooner or later).
The stats I've seen say that we have played 10 game more than any team in the PL this season .... including United. And the injuries we've suffered have been at times almost as much as yours this season (virtually a full 11 from the first team squad at one time). Hence the reason why both United and Liverpool have resorted to using numerous youngsters at different stages this season. So pointless having a pissing contest over that one.
 
Sad Chris said:
Mind providing the stats? I'd like to know how that adds up.
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Hi Chris. I'll search for them again later for you. I've got something to take care of now. However a lot of it comes down to runs in both cups, replays and the EL qualifying groups.
 
:lol: woke up and saw that Skrtel had basically started the downfall. He's awful and should be moved on. Represents the mediocrity that Liverpool have settled for. Similar to United who clearly accept/keep players that just aren't up to the required level.
 
Rafateria said:
Hi Chris. I'll search for them again later for you. I've got something to take care of now. However a lot of it comes down to runs in both cups, replays and the EL qualifying groups.
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I just checked, it was your 49th game yesterday unless I'm missing some. Same number as Utd, one more than City for comparison. But you're the stat master so maybe you have other numbers.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
I just checked, it was your 49th game yesterday unless I'm missing some. Same number as Utd, one more than City for comparison. But you're the stat master so maybe you have other numbers.
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Yeah, there can't be much in it between United and Liverpool. United had to play the two additional CL qualifiers while Liverpool went directly into the EL group. And United has one more league game and a deeper FA cup run. Even with replays and the league cup final for Liverpool, it should be about the same number of games.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
I just checked, it was your 49th game yesterday unless I'm missing some. Same number as Utd, one more than City for comparison. But you're the stat master so maybe you have other numbers.
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:lol:
 
Balu said:
Yeah, there can't be much in it between United and Liverpool. United had to play the two additional CL qualifiers while Liverpool went directly into the EL group. And United has one more league game and a deeper FA cup run. Even with replays and the league cup final for Liverpool, it should be about the same number of games.
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Had he said 3 or 4 games more, I would've been surprised but not thought much of it. But I don't understand how it's possible for them to have 10 games more than clubs which have played in Europe and not gone out straight away in the cups.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Had he said 3 or 4 games more, I would've been surprised but not thought much of it. But I don't understand how it's possible for them to have 10 games more than clubs which have played in Europe and not gone out straight away in the cups.
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Tbf I read that in either the Tel or Guardian yesterday too.
 
Manchester United
League: 30
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 2
Champions League: 8
Europa League: 4
Total: 48

Liverpool
League: 29
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 6
Europa League: 10
Total: 49
 
Damien said:
Manchester United
League: 30
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 2
Champions League: 8
Europa League: 4
Total: 48

Liverpool
League: 29
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 6
Europa League: 10
Total: 49
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The FA Cup games aren't really worth counting for us when you consider the fact that we played mostly kids and reserves in those four games. I suppose they all count though.
 
Sad Chris said:
Mind providing the stats? I'd like to know how that adds up.
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Rooney in Paris said:
I just checked, it was your 49th game yesterday unless I'm missing some. Same number as Utd, one more than City for comparison. But you're the stat master so maybe you have other numbers.
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Balu said:
Yeah, there can't be much in it between United and Liverpool. United had to play the two additional CL qualifiers while Liverpool went directly into the EL group. And United has one more league game and a deeper FA cup run. Even with replays and the league cup final for Liverpool, it should be about the same number of games.
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Rooney in Paris said:
Had he said 3 or 4 games more, I would've been surprised but not thought much of it. But I don't understand how it's possible for them to have 10 games more than clubs which have played in Europe and not gone out straight away in the cups.
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untitled_6899 said:
I think Rafa has been using Michael Essien's calculator again
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Damien said:
Manchester United
League: 30
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 2
Champions League: 8
Europa League: 4
Total: 48

Liverpool
League: 29
FA Cup: 4
League Cup: 6
Europa League: 10
Total: 49
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Sorry guys, my error. The source I quoted was a little vague and I lazily didn't verify the stats given. You are all quite right .... Liverpool 49, United 48 and Southampton 39.

Seems I woke you all up though ! Sorry for that extra research you had to do Damien :D
 
Rafateria said:
Sorry guys, my error. The source I quoted was a little vague and I lazily didn't verify the stats given. You are all quite right .... Liverpool 49, United 48 and Southampton 39.

Seems I woke you all up though ! Sorry for that extra research you had to do Damien :D
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Honest mistake :lol: to make up, you can double check if all the cup replays are included...
 
Not impressed with Ben Ten's attitude, tbh:

Liverpool Echo said:
Christian Benteke has questioned Jürgen Klopp’s reluctance to pick him for Liverpool, insisting that he suits the team’s playing style, and admitting that he is perplexed by the lack of faith his manager has shown in him.

Benteke has started only six Barclays Premier League games since Klopp became manager on October 8 and he has increasingly been used as an impact substitute despite becoming the second most expensive player in Liverpool’s history when he joined from Aston Villa in a £32.5 million deal last July.

The forward’s ongoing struggle to convince Klopp that he is worthy of a regular starting place has increased the likelihood that he will leave Liverpool this summer, with West Ham United among a number of clubs monitoring his situation at Anfield.

Benteke still hopes to establish himself at Liverpool, but his admission that he is mystified by his treatment at the hands of Klopp, who once looked into the possibility of signing the Belgium striker while in charge of Borussia Dortmund, is the first public indication that he is becoming frustrated by his current plight.

“Some team-mates have said that I was lucky with the arrival of Klopp, because I certainly would play,” Benteke told Sport/Voetbalmagazine. “When your coach says he wanted to take you to Dortmund and a little later you sit at the same club and he ignores you, it is hard to understand.”

Asked what he makes of claims that he does not fit in with Klopp’s preferred high energy, high pressing playing style, Benteke was dismissive. “I find that weird,” he said. “I don’t understand why people stay that. I can press, I can move. It’s not like we are playing the Barcelona way.

“[Klopp] has told me to be more involved in the game. That seems to me one of my qualities: I like to combine, I like to get the ball. But maybe I don’t ask the ball in the right positions and maybe that’s why the team-mates don’t find me. “I’ve taken his remarks into account and I was ready to change my style like he wanted it. I’d thought that Liverpool had bought because of my qualities. It’s ideal to stay yourself, to keep your identity, while you adapt to the style of the manager. And if that doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out.

“He still tells me that I’m a striker who can do everything: score goals; holding-up the ball, play one-two’s, heading. If I have that many variations in my game, why don’t I play? But, he makes the choices and I have to respect them.”

While Benteke readily concedes that he is yet to show his best form for Liverpool, with the benefit of hindsight he admits that it might have been better not to move to Anfield had he known he would not be a regular starter.

“What’s annoying me the most is that I would have never signed for Liverpool if I wasn’t the manager’s first choice. Everything was there to play a good season at a big club and it started well,” Benteke said.

“I am the first to admit that I haven’t shown enough my worth for a team like Liverpool. On the other hand, under Brendan Rodgers, I knew I would get the opportunity to show my qualities, to show that I was worth the money and that I deserved to wear the shirt of Liverpool. But now?
“Since I went to England in 2012 I’ve never been on the bench for such a long period. It hurts, especially since I never was as fit as now. That’s why I try to grab my chance when I get five or ten minutes playing time. I don’t want people to blame me for a lack of professionalism.

“Even my father, who initially was worried about my status, told me that I can’t do a lot about my situation. I’ve talked with Eden Hazard and Marouane Fellaini and they all answered the same: if a coach does not count on you, you can’t do a lot about it.”

Benteke was the subject of interest from clubs in the Chinese Super League during the January transfer window but opted to remain at Liverpool. However, he admits that he will have to consider his options at the end of this season if his situation does not improve. “In January I did not want to leave, it is my desire to succeed at Liverpool. I want to continue. At the end of the season we take stock,” he said.
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:lol: I didn't need to alter that one, mate - it's pretty much: "I decided that I didn't need to change, and my failure is Liverpool's fault."
 
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