Liverpool : General discussion

Tommy said:
Do we really need Gotze when we have Firmino & Coutinho? Not saying Gotze isn't a class player, but we've more pressing issues.

Not sure I want Moreno as my first choice LB either.
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I don't think we should pass up the chance to sign him if he's interested. I'd still prefer him to Lallana despite the latters recent performances.

I think there is room for rotation between Moreno and one of Flanagan and Gomez. If we're bringing another fullback in then I'd like to see at least one leave.
 
Last night was a pretty even game and I think it represents where both teams are at. There's not much between us, Liverpool are in the middle of a good run of form but will probably continue to be inconsistent as the team is built. The advantage they have of course is a decent manager.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Last night was a pretty even game and I think it represents where both teams are at. There's not much between us, Liverpool are in the middle of a good run of form but will probably continue to be inconsistent as the team is built. The advantage they have of course is a decent manager.
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I don't think last nights match is a good barometer. The fact it was even was in part down to the fact we didn't have to push the boat out. That said, we ARE pretty even, honestly. I don't think a combined XI would look skewed to one team over the other.

Klopper76 said:
I don't think we should pass up the chance to sign him if he's interested. I'd still prefer him to Lallana despite the latters recent performances.

I think there is room for rotation between Moreno and one of Flanagan and Gomez. If we're bringing another fullback in then I'd like to see at least one leave.
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Gotze would be on ludicrous wages. I'd rather keep Lallana as a squad player than sign Gotze & pay him £150k+ a week.
 
Liverpool would be crazy to pass up Götze, if you can get him for a reasonable fee. He is on a completely different planet compared to Lallana. He´d be your best player.

With Matip coming next summer, you´ll have decent depth in this position and signing another player would only make sense, if someone really good is available. Moreno is a donkey, but it is difficult to get good FBs and Gomez can play in this position. No reason to get someone just for the sake of it. Getting a defensive midfielder and a winger should have priority (I doubt that you´ll try to get a new GK after extending mignolet´s contract)
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Didn't you just win a game 4-3 or something?

Liverpool are headed in the right direction. How far they reach in that direction is another matter but the direction and intent being right is at least the first necessary step.
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We've conceded just 3 goals in our last 8 games. You are thinking of the 5-4 vs Norwich in January. Yeah, time flies when you're having fun !
 
Rafateria said:
We've conceded just 3 goals in our last 8 games. You are thinking of the 5-4 vs Norwich in January. Yeah, time flies when you're having fun !
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Like losing cup finals? :p

On a more serious note, that's a good improvement, but surely it's too early to say "what was Brednan doing to our defence?!" already?
 
Klopper76 said:
I think Sturridge needs to go. I don't like his attitude at all since he came back from injury.
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Bob Loblaw said:
Sturridge is a big concern right now. Injury prone and badly out of form (at best...at worst the injuries have stripped him of ability).
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Klopper76 said:
It looks like he's slowed down loads. He can't beat a man at the minute and doesn't seem to be able to run in behind.
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CLARiiON said:
I haven't seen Sturridge lately, but yesterday his overall game wasn't good. Didn't seem to make the proper decisions, maybe lacking in confidence so far. Most of all, is he afraid that he will get injured again?
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Needham said:
Sturridge had the darkest, sourest expression I've ever seen outside of a non-wronged six year old when he was taken off last night. Bad egg, I reckon.
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Lets' not forget lads that, bar one x 4 month period, Sturridge has been out for the better part of 24 months, every return marred by a further injury. It's simply unfair to compare a semi-fit Studge to the one before these more serious injuries (he's always been injury prone) and to players that have been injury free and had a good pre-season (and a full season to date).

To quote another poster on another forum, making a very valid point : "When Owen returned after one of the first of his lengthy rehabs, he'd done so much work building up the muscles around the problem areas he complained of feeling heavy-legged for a few weeks before the power and pace returned". It's inconceivable that Sturridge could return to form and full confidence immediately, considering after all that's gone before. If he stays fit for the rest of the season he could begin to show serious improvement, if he plays in the Euros and then get's a full pre-season in too .. next season he will be flying (I hope).

His previous form and his quality demand that at the very least he is given the chance to prove it, one way or the other. His injury record though is beginning to support claims his will be a career that stalled.

I can't blame him for being upset at being subbed, no player likes coming off, and if any of ours did then I wouldn't want him. It was still the right move though.
 
They definitely need a new GK. Mignolet has had his ups and downs but overall Liverpool needs an upgrade on him. A new partner for Sakho would be ideal too. Skrtel/Lovren/Sakho/new CB should be enough CB depth. Joe Gomez/Clyne/Moreno/Flanagan for the FB position should be adequate as well. A new CM is also needed. Can, Henderson, Lucas, Milner, it's quite average really.
 
VorZakone said:
They definitely need a new GK. Mignolet has had his ups and downs but overall Liverpool needs an upgrade on him. A new partner for Sakho would be ideal too. Skrtel/Lovren/Sakho/new CB should be enough CB depth. Joe Gomez/Clyne/Moreno/Flanagan for the FB position should be adequate as well. A new CM is also needed. Can, Henderson, Lucas, Milner, it's quite average really.
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We've already signed Matip from Schalke - he was out of contract and refused the new one offered on much higher wages. That said on the form Lovren+ Sakho are in I doubt he could usurp them ! I guess they, plus Skrtel, will form the basis of our CB rotation next season. Gomez is actually a CB first and foremost and Lucas has been superb in that role when called upon recently. I'm not sure Lucas will survive the Summer but if he does he's a decent player to have as 5th/6th CB and DM 2nd backup.

Can is average ? Oh my. Stewart has been given a new contract and he's looked very good there too. Can>Stewart>Lucas is decent at DM. Spend the money on someone to improve CM.
 
The "average" tag is the last vestige of the lazy fan. It's attributed to players we often see in snapshots rather than with proper analysis. It also ignores the 'team' these individuals play in. A player's form is regularly aligned to the general health of the team they play in.

A good example of this is Depay - he's in dysfunctional team that doesn't play to his strengths. He therefore looks average at best despite clearly having talent. By contrast, look at Firmino - a player out of sorts in a poor team for several months. He now looks well above average as he's in a far more fluid attacking unit.

Labelling Liverpool players as average is fair enough to some extent but it's a but shortsighted in my opinion. The trajectory of the team would suggest these guys just needed better guidance.
 
'average at best' is completely accurate for Depay - he's the full Markovic and no mistake

I'm still not convinced by Coutinho or Firmino or both together maybe, in the cold at Stoke & so forth. The defensive solidification while Migs is stil in goal is impressive, tbf. Skrtel being out might have helped?

Moreno needs to kept well away from FB - I read (this has cropped up a few times as a convo on here a bit) that he was converted into (travesty & liability of) a FB from further forward, :eek: - not someone's greatest call/assessment ever
 
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Yeah I think Skrtel might be a weak link. I saw something on RAWK a few weeks ago, a series of pictures from goals/chances we've conceded and he's rarely in line with the rest of his back four. We look far more organised for the most part without him in the side. I expect him to be fourth choice next season behind Lovren, Sakho and Matip.
 
If Rafa stays at Newcastle would he be interested in Skrtel? Skrtel is quite good at making last-ditch tackles/blocks and playing in a deep defensive line, seems he'd suit them quite well.
 
montpelier said:
'average at best' is completely accurate for Depay - he's the full Markovic and no mistake

I'm still not convinced by Coutinho or Firmino or both together maybe, in the cold at Stoke & so forth.
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Well Coutinho did score a worldy winner at Stoke this season so he's passed that test, obviously.

Talent-wise he's superb. Consistency is his big area for development. However, he's a game-changer and there aren't too many in this league. He also delivers in the bigger games quite often.
 
ZDwyr said:
If Rafa stays at Newcastle would he be interested in Skrtel? Skrtel is quite good at making last-ditch tackles/blocks and playing in a deep defensive line, seems he'd suit them quite well.
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Good shout - very probable.
 
Sakho has surely ended Skrtel's first team status for you guys, right?
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Sakho has surely ended Skrtel's first team status for you guys, right?
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Yes, I think so. However, unfortunately for Skrtel his absence has coincided with Klopp's improvements in terms of shape and solidity. It's likely these improvements would've taken place with Skrtel in the team - his injury has meant he's been forgotten. It's possibly correlation rather than causation.
 
PedroMendez said:
Liverpool would be crazy to pass up Götze, if you can get him for a reasonable fee. He is on a completely different planet compared to Lallana. He´d be your best player.
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This, for me. As type of player, he's not an ideal fit. But he'd most likely be our best player. Doesn't make sense to pass that up.
 
Klopper76 said:
Yeah I think Skrtel might be a weak link. I saw something on RAWK a few weeks ago, a series of pictures from goals/chances we've conceded and he's rarely in line with the rest of his back four. We look far more organised for the most part without him in the side. I expect him to be fourth choice next season behind Lovren, Sakho and Matip.
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I expect him to be gone. Gomez and Lucas will pad out 4th and 5th.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Sakho has surely ended Skrtel's first team status for you guys, right?
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Skrtel has. In recent months, Sakho, Lovren and Lucas have all played at a higher level than we've seen from skrtel in a long time.
 
PickledRed said:
Yes, I think so. However, unfortunately for Skrtel his absence has coincided with Klopp's improvements in terms of shape and solidity. It's likely these improvements would've taken place with Skrtel in the team - his injury has meant he's been forgotten. It's possibly correlation rather than causation.
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It's not just that. He was visibly one of the players who struggled the most to adapt to Klopp's approach before he got injured.
 
Matip was a good bit of business. Should be a starter next season. On a free aswell
 
montpelier said:
'average at best' is completely accurate for Depay - he's the full Markovic and no mistake

I'm still not convinced by Coutinho or Firmino or both together maybe, in the cold at Stoke & so forth. The defensive solidification while Migs is stil in goal is impressive, tbf. Skrtel being out might have helped?

Moreno needs to kept well away from FB - I read (this has cropped up a few times as a convo on here a bit) that he was converted into (travesty & liability of) a FB from further forward, :eek: - not someone's greatest call/assessment ever
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haha, yes I am :lol: caught out on that one :lol:

can I claim it was the 9th of Aug and that many people think the GK should have had it

probably not, tbf

 
Perhaps Jurgen has just kinda said to his defence, you're here to defend - let's not bother about this playing it out from the back all the time, we'll take it as it comes - Lovren & even Mings looks more settled. And he's got Can sitting as DM, is flooding the MF with bodies to an extent & has some creativity in there, don't think Firmino is a striker but he has a lovely touch on the ball & sees a pass that's for sure.
 
Firmino Injured.

James Pearce reporting he's out for the season. The Echo are quoting the Brazilian FA :-

Liverpool look set to be without Roberto Firmino for their Premier League trip to St Mary’s to face Southampton on Sunday.

The Brazilian FA today reported that the Liverpool player had been pulled out of the Brazil squad for the forthcoming World Cup qualifiers.

The Benfica player Jonas has been called up to replace the Reds man.

At this stage the injury does not seem to be serious with most translations suggestions it is down to bruising.

Physioroom are saying he's taken a 'knock.
 
Rafateria said:
Firmino Injured.

James Pearce reporting he's out for the season. The Echo are quoting the Brazilian FA :-

Liverpool look set to be without Roberto Firmino for their Premier League trip to St Mary’s to face Southampton on Sunday.

The Brazilian FA today reported that the Liverpool player had been pulled out of the Brazil squad for the forthcoming World Cup qualifiers.

The Benfica player Jonas has been called up to replace the Reds man.

At this stage the injury does not seem to be serious with most translations suggestions it is down to bruising.

Physioroom are saying he's taken a 'knock.
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That James Pearce tweet is from a fake account. The real Pearce hasn't tweeted anything since this morning. I think it's just bruising.
 
Only 5 more points needed by Leicester till Liverpool can't win the league and they will have gone the 26 years without a title.
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Incredible comeback from Saints.

But as I mentioned on Thursday - Liverpool are still pretty wank. Somehow United just happened to look worse over two legs. :lol:
 
Just seen the result what the feck happened? Going 0-2 up and they missing a penalty should have given Liverpool enough boost to see out the game:eek:
 
montpelier said:
It correlated with Martin Skrtel getting on the park according to my sources.
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Your sources are well placed. Our back four made two challenges in the second half which is pretty atrocious for a side holding a two goal lead.
Ole's_toe_poke said:
If only we weren't equally as shit I'd be able to laugh a lot more.
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We can all be shit together. Remember when United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool had the top four places locked down? Those were the days.
 
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