1 more goal than Rooney in his shittest ever season. Well done flamingo
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In his defense, Flamin...Firmino isn't a striker technically.
He's in good form but can go missing now and then. We'll see how he does in his second season.
Will be very interesting to see what happens if and when Klopp gets some quality in. The sheer energy out there was frightening at times.
Emre Can is an absolute boss.
Brendan Rodgers did good in his last transfer window. Clyne is absolutely solid, Firmino is definitely looking like the player we thought he could be, Ings & Gomez were both looking good before their injuries, and Origi is improving. Benteke was a ridiculous signing if we're not going to play to his strengths, but he's got quality, and we'll get some money back.
Clyne was a very solid buy. Still annoyed we didn't get him.
ehh they looked ok. united was the one that looked terrible
I agree. I think people are going a bit overboard about Liverpool's performance. They did well in the first half against a Utd team that set up very badly, and they at times in the second half looked like they couldn't cope with the tactical tweak, until Klopp himself changed his approach. End of the game was pretty even, nothing exceptional. And Utd looked really, really poor.
They were OK last night. We were horrible. As Scholes said, Lallana was taking the mickey and we let him. Just shows how God awful we are and frankly that performance last night was a comment on our sad situation than the hyped up improvement of Liverpool.
I' afraid that take is a bit simplistic. They made us look terrible. It is no coincidence that they smashed City 3:0. They have improved, no doubt about that.
Thought their attack wasn't all that serious about winning the match, but in midfield they were imperious. Can, Henderson and Coutinho all put out a quality display hence we struggled so much to contain them. Don't really rate Henderson but Can and Coutinho look like they have what it takes to hold their own at the very highest level.
Shite according to the red cafe consensus. I think he's great personally - needs to improve his concentration at times but that's his only real weak point.
He's decent, he's at least significantly better than your "captain" Henderson.
He "is" indeed. Would say he's at the level Henderson was at before his injury but with much more room to improve. Hopefully Henderson can get over whatever problems his long term injury caused him, cos he's been a lot worse since (understandably).
Both better than Mediocre Milner.
Can is much better than Henderson. I could see him eventually developing into a similar type of player as Yaya, not as much of a goal scorer but with more of an engine.
As with probably many United fans I've got a very confused relationship with LFC right now.
I hate the club, the fans, but I love the way they play and I love Klopp.
I hate the club, the fans, but I love the way they play and I love Klopp.
Well...I hate the club, fans and Klopp so not very difficult
It was like a Crosteth Aldi on Black Friday. But Liverpool's spine is still poor, esp Mignolet and Sahko. Caroline Wozniaki said "Energy only covers the illusion glimpsed in the aftermath of defeat," and that very much applies to this Liverpool side.
I hate everything about them and always will.
This, used to like klopp, now he's an absolute Thundercnut
Wouldn't say Sakho is poor. Not good enough to be our first choice defender long term, but a decent stop gap while we sort our priorities. Agree about Mig, obviously.
I don't think Rodgers had a clue how to use Firmino to be honest but he definitely had a better summer window than the previous one. It says a bit about his management though that players like Can and Lovren have improved under Klopp when they looked like complete flops previously.
There's a lot of promise there but we still need a lot of work. I don't think we need more than three or four players in the summer. A goal keeper and a winger would be my priority with a striker also coming in possibly. I'm still not sure whether I want to get rid of Benteke, I suppose it depends on how big the offers are from clubs that might be interested. We've still got Ings to come back from injury so Origi, Benteke, Ings and Sturridge wouldn't be too bad and Firmino is another option to play up top.
It'll be interesting to see how we line up at the start of next season.
Contrary to what I expected when they were signed, Clyne has been better than Darmian and Firmino has been better than Memphis. Fair do's to them.
can showed some good football at leverkusen, but he was clearly raw. he definitely has potential to be better.
lovren looked quite hopeless though. haven't seen him for southampton/lyon.
Clyne better than Darmian has been very surprising for me, indeed.
I said last summer that Firmino would be better than Depay, at least on the first season.
Firmino's stats in his first season are better than what Suarez' stats were in his first. On the other side of that, I'm certainly not saying that Firmino is going to be as good as Suarez. I got a vibe with Suarez that he was going to be a world beater which I don't get from Firmino.
That said, now he's settled, he's started looking like the player we thought we were buying. Really encouraging signs and him, Coutinho and Lallana are proving to be a handful for quite a lot of defences
That said, now he's settled, he's started looking like the player we thought we were buying. Really encouraging signs and him, Coutinho and Lallana are proving to be a handful for quite a lot of defences
Same, especially after the first games. I had the feeling we'd bought a very reliable full back when they'd acquired an average one. That's changed quite drastically.
I remember something that was said on The Redmen TV channel (shoot me, I've been watching them for like 4 years 
), that Clyne seldom has a game where he looks like an offensive world beating fullback, but you're guaranteed a solid defensive performance from him at the very least. He's unlikely to give you many 10/10 performances, but you'll rarely get less than a 6/7.
I agree with that. Moreno, on the flipside, could be a 10 or a 1 If no-ones attacking him, and he has a good game going forward, he'll look world class. If his offensive options are limited & he's getting focused, he'll look woefully out of his depth.
), that Clyne seldom has a game where he looks like an offensive world beating fullback, but you're guaranteed a solid defensive performance from him at the very least. He's unlikely to give you many 10/10 performances, but you'll rarely get less than a 6/7.I agree with that. Moreno, on the flipside, could be a 10 or a 1
If no-ones attacking him, and he has a good game going forward, he'll look world class. If his offensive options are limited & he's getting focused, he'll look woefully out of his depth.I said it when he got the job and I'll say it again Klopp will turn out to be a great manager for 'them'.The man we should have got.
I was saying earlier that your summer was being underrated because it was seen as Rodgers spending and he was being seen as useless at the time.
With regards to Klopp, succeeding at Liverpool is a long and difficult way ahead, but at least you can see what he's trying to do, and every now and then the players look really good at executing it.
With us, it's the opposite. You could initially see LVG's plan at the start of his reign but the execution has been miserable almost all the time.
What plan? I do recall him changing his *cough* philosophy after the Leicester game.
I think it was the 'controlling the game by keeping the ball'. We can't do that at all now.
It was initially keeping the ball a lot. But he failed at getting us to execute it making the plan pointless. But of course then he does absurd things like allowing a game against Liverpool where we at one point had around 25% possession.
Thuraday was clearly a case of a well coached team vs not well coached team. It made all their players look appear as if they had thrice the ability of ours.
Not sure that I agree that he's average. Most of the team now looks quite shit, so... Would like to see how he does with a better manager, but really I was impressed with him when I saw him playing for Torino and he started here playing well.
He won't ever be a good attacking full back, but I think that he can become one of the best defensive full backs in the world, providing that we have a not clueless manager in charge.
Yeah I don't really see it. Maybe he can become a reliable full back (it is after all his first season in the PL, not shocking if it takes some time to adapt), but 'one of the best defensive full backs in the world' seems out of his reach, for me, though I'm only basing my view on this season. Hope I'm wrong, it would be great, though it would also be good if once in a while he contributed a little in attack with a decent cross as well...
I agree with Revan, he started here extremely well, rarely lost a 1v1, don't judge anyones ability whos played this season
You love the way they play? Liverpool did not play attractive football the other night. They ran around like bar stewards not allowing anyone a moment on the ball, which is admirable enough but in no way easy on the eye.
Got 'em playing as a team hasn't he? Defenders defend, MF run about a lot. Bit of quality from Coutinho (overrrated), Firmino (not away from home), even Lallana is proving his critics wrong, atm.
Not rocket science, bit of an organise & play to the strengths of your players, keeping it simple.
Also he's tapped into their emotional support & built a bit of belief with some decent results. And they're getting 'emselves on the floor as quickly as possible if a penalty award seems possible, and getting them.
Much better than we're managing (being managed), that's for sure
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Not rocket science, bit of an organise & play to the strengths of your players, keeping it simple.
Also he's tapped into their emotional support & built a bit of belief with some decent results. And they're getting 'emselves on the floor as quickly as possible if a penalty award seems possible, and getting them.
Much better than we're managing (being managed), that's for sure
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Individual wins against bigger teams are always great, but it's consistency that I want. Still having too many off games at the moment.
Re: consistency
This is since Xmas (lot of Cup games) is interesting
WWL W DDL WW LDLDL WDWDWWW
The 1st bad patch is a bit of a red herring, Exeter draw (kids), Arsenal, undeserved loss to Utd (a these thing happen loss)
Stoke-WestHam-Leics-Sunderland-WestHam comprises the 5 non-wins after the 5-4 win at Norwich, seeing a decline in form (loss of confidence conceding 4 or triggered some changes whatever)
Getting there, though according to that, & 7 unbeaten atm
edit - (think that's right, haven't super-checked for accuracy)
This is since Xmas (lot of Cup games) is interesting
WWL W DDL WW LDLDL WDWDWWW
The 1st bad patch is a bit of a red herring, Exeter draw (kids), Arsenal, undeserved loss to Utd (a these thing happen loss)
Stoke-WestHam-Leics-Sunderland-WestHam comprises the 5 non-wins after the 5-4 win at Norwich, seeing a decline in form (loss of confidence conceding 4 or triggered some changes whatever)
Getting there, though according to that, & 7 unbeaten atm
edit - (think that's right, haven't super-checked for accuracy)