Liverpool : General discussion

Shark said:
I don't think Rodgers is the only problem at all. Look at their squad, it's full of junk. When Suarez was there, they looked like they could beat anybody. Even SAF needed that one player to carry the team at times, he wouldn't have signed RVP otherwise. Looking at the Liverpool squad, who's going to deliver that fear factor?
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That player isn't going to go to Liverpool. Rodgers is the problem in that he isn't playing the players in their best positions and is slowly becoming more and more cowardly in his approach to matches. However Liverpool as a club will never have a manager for more than 4-5 years because their expectations (fans and owners) are far higher than where they are as a club. They are a club who should finish above Everton but below Arsenal every season, which is pretty much what Rodgers has achieved even in his worst campaigns.

The fans however won't accept a 5th-6th place finish every season, so they are caught between a rock and a hard place. This season it will be because Rodgers is inept, before that Hodgson was inept, before that the owners were inept. It'll be a never-ending cycle of finding excuses as to why they aren't as successful as the 4 teams at the top of the League.

The truth is they're in the same boat as West Ham; the best they can hope for is entertaining Football and to get to a domestic cup final. The problem is Rodgers hasn't even delivered this, certainly not since Suarez left.
 
Red_Beans said:
Why dosnt Rogers just go for it?

Play the diamond, two strikers and Moreno at LB. They'll concede plenty but they'll score plenty aswell. And it suits their squad better.

They nearly won the league by out scoring everyone, I think their best chance of top 4 this year is to go for the same strategy
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Because that's not complex enough. Rodgers doesn't do "obvious".
 
prath92 said:
For Outscoring they had a world class Suarez a fully fit sturridge and a zealous sterling. Now coutinho and maybe benteke can score. No one else can score with the same level.
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I'm not expecting them to challenge for the title, but their current squad has a much higher potential for scoring goals than defending. I think Rogers should play to his teams strengths
 
Red_Beans said:
I'm not expecting them to challenge for the title, but their current squad has a much higher potential for scoring goals than defending. I think Rogers should play to his teams strengths
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His team has a lot of no.10s and forwards. Even if he plays a diamond a good number of them gets benched. It's mismanagement really

Red_Beans said:
Just like LvG it seems!
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What is this obvious that LvG didn't do?
 
prath92 said:
His team has a lot of no.10s and forwards. Even if he plays a diamond a good number of them gets benched. It's mismanagement really



What is this obvious that LvG didn't do?
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For the first part, a diamond allows him to play Coutinho as a 10 (his best position imo) and Firmino as a second striker (again the position I think he does best in). With Ings and Lallana as bench/rotation options. This gives his attacking players the best chance to perform. And the point I made earlier was that his squad is stronger in attack than defence, so why not play to their strengths?

For the second part, this is not the thread to get into an in depth discussion on LvG's tactics, but I will give you a few examples on what I thought were a few of the 'obvious' decisions that LvG has not made:

*buying a new CB
*maintaining or strengthening our strength in depth in attack
*sticking with backwards pointing midfield 3 that worked so well towards the end of last season

Those in my opinion are a few decisions that I thought LvG would have made differently. And anyway, that post was more in jest than a dig at van Gaal
 
Shark said:
I don't think Rodgers is the only problem at all. Look at their squad, it's full of junk. When Suarez was there, they looked like they could beat anybody. Even SAF needed that one player to carry the team at times, he wouldn't have signed RVP otherwise. Looking at the Liverpool squad, who's going to deliver that fear factor?
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Precisely. Rodgers has brought in 17 players in the last year. I know he's not solely responsible for transfers but he must have a major say.
 
If we lose any of the four upcoming home games we have (Norwich/Carlisle/Villa/FC Sion), Rodgers needs to go. He needs to go anyway, but anything other than 4 positive results from those 4 very winnable homegames should just be the end.
 
Dumbstar said:
Is it true that Bordeaux had almost zero first teamers playing also? They looked far too shit to be able to hold PSG to a draw.
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No. Most of that team played against PSG - there is a good review by one poster in the EL thread. They were only missing their top striker as far as I know.
 
Dumbstar said:
Is it true that Bordeaux had almost zero first teamers playing also? They looked far too shit to be able to hold PSG to a draw.
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Rafateria said:
No. Most of that team played against PSG - there is a good review by one poster in the EL thread. They were only missing their top striker as far as I know.
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Hadn't seen this post. Definitely not 'zero first teamers', but it's important to note that Bordeaux have a squad where there isn't really a definite starting XI. There are a few sure players: Carrasso, Saivet, Khazri, Diabaté (who was injured), and then a lot of rotation. It wasn't a B squad in any case, but they definitely didn't play as well as they did against PSG.
 
Jordon Henderson out for another two months after another injury.
 
Henderson broken his foot according to RAWK.
They reckon Sturridge is close and may even play this weekend.
 
VorZakone said:
That's top 4 ruled out for them. When is Sturridge returning?
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Top 4 was never on for them.
Leaving aside the top 4 theres still 2 or 3 teams that are better than them imo.
Spurs, swansea and evertons have better, more balanced squads or better managers or both.
 
caid said:
Top 4 was never on for them.
Leaving aside the top 4 theres still 2 or 3 teams that are better than them imo.
Spurs, swansea and evertons have better, more balanced squads or better managers or both.
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5th places is definitely up for grabs this year. Spurs and Liverpool aren't that strong and us, Swansea and West Ham are playing decent.
 
SilentWitness said:
5th places is definitely up for grabs this year. Spurs and Liverpool aren't that strong and us, Swansea and West Ham are playing decent.
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With Chelseas form 4th is possibly even up for grabs.
Just dont see liverpool being the best of the rest and getting it.
They have too many issues, no width, shit defence, manager that no one trusts and is almost certainly going to be fired at some point.
You lot look a decent team, liverpool look a collection of some decent players.
 
Henderson out for 2 months, confirmed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34302390

Surgery last week planned, cancelled and overruled for injections instead on the other foot. Now this on the right one. Ouch for them.

Liverpool midfielder Jordan Henderson has broken a bone in his right foot and will be out for up to eight weeks.

The 25-year-old England international suffered the injury in training and is likely to have an operation on Monday.

Henderson could miss up to 11 matches for Brendan Rodgers' side.
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I don't see them scoring lots of goals unless Studge gets on the park & Brenty sticks Coutinho just behind him & Benteke. Can you trust Brendan to do this even if Sturridge is unexpectedly available for a sustained spell?
 
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Apparently some reports floating around that Origi is going out on loan in January? I thought he was supposed to be the next great striker for them.
 
If Norwich win today he'll be under big pressure. I'm worried about Klopp going there tbh.
 
The Hendo news is bad. Easily our best midfielder right now, so to not have him for the derby & following games is scary.

Phurry said:
Apparently some reports floating around that Origi is going out on loan in January? I thought he was supposed to be the next great striker for them.
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Eh, he's our fourth choice striker that may/may not amount to something. A loan move only makes sense if we're out of the Europa League/League Cup before the end of 2015, and with Rodgers in charge, that's not impossible.

Tarrou said:
If Norwich win today he'll be under big pressure. I'm worried about Klopp going there tbh.
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Don't be. As much as I'd love Klopp here, and I think it would be a good job for him, there's better offers out there in the near future. Bayern, Man City, Arsenal, Man United, and no doubt Real Madrid will all need a manager soon, and Klopp will almost certainly want to make that step up.

Obviously hope I'm wrong, though.
 
That result is terrible, but I outright refuse to blame our players for that. We have a squad of players bereft of confidence, led by a manager that's suddenly unwilling to play positive football for fear of losing his job. Add to that players constantly played out of position game after game & nonsensical substitutions, and I can't imagine he has that much time left at Anfield.

I know people like to poke fun at our squad at times, and I get that we're not as strong as we were, but we've spent enough to be stronger in every area of the pitch than fecking Norwich, and if the manager was in anyway competent that would've resulted in a positive outcome today.

True cowardice from Rodgers. If you're fighting for your life, go out swinging instead of hiding your arsehole against a wall while small pygmy's from Norwich try to bugger you.
 
Here's to the next 4/5 year plan. :(

Rodgers has to go, now. Not in November/December. Klopp has to be brought in before he changes his mind.
 
Dumbstar said:
Here's to the next 4/5 year plan. :(

Rodgers has to go, now. Not in November/December. Klopp has to be brought in before he changes his mind.
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Heartless bastards, he deserves another season after this one because he's taken you to second place two years ago. You can't just erase that from your memory or history books. That would be just vile.
 
Anyone needs to be brought in. Feck, sign me up and I'll do it. I've been playing football management games since the turn of the century, and I know better than to play five at the back at home vs a relegation candidate...

Is there a single other manager in the league that would field that lineup today? Not even McClaren or Advocat would set up like that vs Norwich at home.
 
Tommy said:
That result is terrible, but I outright refuse to blame our players for that. We have a squad of players bereft of confidence, led by a manager that's suddenly unwilling to play positive football for fear of losing his job. Add to that players constantly played out of position game after game & nonsensical substitutions, and I can't imagine he has that much time left at Anfield.

I know people like to poke fun at our squad at times, and I get that we're not as strong as we were, but we've spent enough to be stronger in every area of the pitch than fecking Norwich, and if the manager was in anyway competent that would've resulted in a positive outcome today.

True cowardice from Rodgers. If you're fighting for your life, go out swinging instead of hiding your arsehole against a wall while small pygmy's from Norwich try to bugger you.
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How much more time do you think he'll get?
(getting rid seems inevitable at this point)
 
He'll get more time than almost any other club in the league would give their manager in a similar position.

If we get knocked out of the cup during the week then not even FSG can ignore that.
 
Over opinionated full of bullshit manager, dodgy goal keeper, rubbish defence, weak midfield.

They are performing as expected.
 
losing at our place isn't much of a benchmark of how badly Liverpool are doing, as we have a terrific last 15 year record. But the manner of their performance was surprisingly poor.

Not beating Norwich at home really has to get their owners asses twitching though.

only positive is the West Ham defeat doesn't look quite as scandalous as it did, as they're on some mad away run this season. Which hopefully has long worn off by early Dec!
 
I seriously don't think our defence is that bad.

Clyne, Gomez, Moreno and even Lovren impressed at their previous clubs... Hell, wasn't Lovren Carra & Nevilles defender of the season at one point while at Southampton?

The issues are multiple. Dodgy keeper is a given, but add to that an inconsistent midfield and constantly changing lineups... Why the hell is Can even still playing at CB? Lovren looked terrible last season because he went from playing behind Morgan & Wanyama to playing behind Gerrard :lol: That was always going to work, right?

Midfield is only weak because Rodgers didn't field one. 6 at the back (Lucas right infront of 5), 3 up top, Milner somewhere in the middle. Sure, he didn't have a great game, but not many players could in his position. Not blaming him too much for that.
 
We must be getting close to the point where Loserpool are so irrelevant that they no longer deserve to have threads made about them.
 
Stack said:
We must be getting close to the point where Loserpool are so irrelevant that they no longer deserve to have threads made about them.
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There is a thread on here about a German 6th league side. So we should wait at least until the end of the season :p
 
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