Liverpool 2018/19

By how many points will Liverpool win the title this season?

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Klopper76 said:
I’d argue we have a very good squad now. There’s one or two minor holes but nothing major.
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FB cover might be an issue. Striker too considering Sturridge's love story with injuries. And of course you're one big injury to Alisson to bringing the smile back on the caf, but that's true for most big teams

ShadesOfTomato said:
City and Chelsea have had pretty piss easy fixtures so far. We've had a fairly difficult start to the season and have come through it well. We play them both in the next couple of weeks; we will know a lot more once those fixtures are done.
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James Peril said:
City have played Arsenal away, Liverpool have played Tottenham away at Wembley. I would say both teams have had very even starts in terms of opposition. Fairly difficult start? West Ham, Palace, Brighton, Leicester and Soton? Kidding me?
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2 top 10 sides away, vs 1 top 10 side away, vs 2 top 10 sides at home

Not exactly a tough schedule for liverpool, but tougher than the other two
 
harrington said:
The problem with 'belief' is that sometimes the hard, obdurate facts of life come along and flatten it. Whether that happens majorly this season remains to be seen, but I think it's better for United fans to deal with the current situation with caution and equanimity; at any rate, a terse, even-handed admission that Liverpool are doing well for the time being will provide their fans with far less ego-fuel than yer "It's going to blow up in your faces" mockery-in-waiting type broadsides.
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Yep agree Liverpool are playing some great stuff at the moment, but IMO they will have a sticky patch in/around about January when they will ‘implode’. That is all!!
 
TheLiverBird said:
I still think thats laughable tbh mate, if thats your opinion then fair enough pal but.....

Our starting 11 is "way" below Citeh's??

We have a defence that has the best record in the league of the last 33/34 games played in the EPL even more cemented with VVD and Alisson and the revelation of Robertson and emergence of TAA, an attack regarded as "one" of the best in Europe

and a midfield that has no doubt been strengthened with additions in Keita Shaqiri and Fabinho

Yes I totally agree Citeh's overall "squad" is stronger, they have pretty much a top top quality back up player in every starting 11 position

but as far as starting 11 and the bench goes, there isn't "that" much in it I don't think

Saying we are way behind is ridiculous, we have some incredible quality now, starting and on the bench

7 wins in 7 with two big wins against Spurs and PSG are "signs" we are a different animal
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Truth is nobody knows how close is the quality of your team to City's. It's all hypothetical now. City won 100 pts last season and broke multiple records. They dwarfed your attack with 106 goals vs 84 goals. And added to that team Mahrez and Mendy. They may have a worse season than last season but it's all speculation now. Fact is they won 100 pts and you 75 pts. The rest is expectations, hopes, etc.
 
Stretfordender said:
Yep agree Liverpool are playing some great stuff at the moment, but IMO they will have a sticky patch in/around about January when they will ‘implode’. That is all!!
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You're basing that comment on what exactly ?, we never last season or the season before so why would we this season with a bigger squad ?.
 
VorZakone said:
What's up with Fabinho? It's like he completely disappeared. :lol:
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He'll need a lot of time to accommodate. They play a system that is quite unique and relying on every player knowing what to do. Lewa, Gündogan also needed quite a few months until they were accustomed to their system, too.
 
JDoe said:
He'll need a lot of time to accommodate. They play a system that is quite unique and relying on every player knowing what to do. Lewa, Gündogan also needed quite a few months until they were accustomed to their system, too.
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Like what is so unique in their system? Not denying what you said but just curious.
 
Tommy said:
Nah, but there's no excuse for a trophyless season.
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I'm feeling confident that United will avoid relegation after earning a point against Wolves, after 7 straight wins and playing some sumptuous football in the process, you lot must be positively bullish.
 
Random Task said:
I'm feeling confident that United will avoid relegation after earning a point against Wolves, after 7 straight wins and playing some sumptuous football in the process, you lot must be positively bullish.
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Not gonna lie, that Firmino goal vs PSG is the most animated I've been over a football match in as long as I can remember. I still think City will prove to be too strong in the league, but if we can push them until the end, go deep in the CL, & bring home a cup in the process, I'll be happy.
 
JDoe said:
From your 1st eleven, maybe your attack is individually as good as Sané-Agüero-Sterling, but your midfield and defense aren't. Keita will need a couple of months to settle in (Fabinho probably even longer) and there is absolutely none that even come close to KDB/Silva in terms of sheer individual brilliance. Gomez/TAA are still basically (very promising) kids and from that perspective, only VVD is probably individually better than their City counterparts, while your goalkeepers are comparable. That is without even considering their insane squad depth and their playing style which is tailor made for league games IMO. This isn't meant to downplay your achievements in anyway, I just think that all things considered (huge gulf in squad quality overall AND playing style), City are still by far the biggest favorites for the league.
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Yeah, no doubt they have the strongest squad in the league. I agree they are still favourites and if I had to bet my house on someone, it'd be them.

Salah doesn't come anywhere near to KDB? He was literally the best player in the league last year.

The goalkeepers are at the same level, they have no CB anywhere near as good as Van Dijk, and if Gomez continues in this vein I wouldn't swap him for anyone City have. Silva and KDB are the outliers in midfield, but Silva is no spring chicken.

James Peril said:
City have played Arsenal away, Liverpool have played Tottenham away at Wembley. I would say both teams have had very even starts in terms of opposition. Fairly difficult start? West Ham, Palace, Brighton, Leicester and Soton? Kidding me?
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adexkola said:
Who have you played of significant quality? Wasn't there a bullet point saying you won all these fixtures last season, to date?

I agree we'll get much more clarity in a few weeks.
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Palace and Leicester away are notoriously tough games.
 
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CognitiveNeuro said:
Like what is so unique in their system? Not denying what you said but just curious.
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Put simply, they need to know when to press and how to close the passing lanes and/or position themselves when other players are pressing, as well as being mentally trained to do it automatically after losing the ball. Headless running around results in them running out of gas fast and might leave open spaces that makes them vulnerable. There are quite a few teams that press high, Pep for example uses high press mainly to prevent counters and to regain possession, whereas Klopp uses it to immediately initiate an attack afterwards. Of course Pep's teams would also counter immediately if there is enough space, but his players are mentally trained to use it more as a defensive tool whereas Klopp's players would always need to be able to quickly release the ball to the attackers right after they get it. I don't think that there are any other teams that always aim do it that consequently. It's a cliche but that's exactly why they aren't that reliable on exceptional dribblers or playmakers because of the way they are playing.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Yeah, no doubt they have the strongest squad in the league. I agree they are still favourites and if I had to bet my house on someone, it'd be them.

Salah doesn't come anywhere near to KDB? He was literally the best player in the league last year.

The goalkeepers are at the same level, they have no CB anywhere near as good as Van Dijk, and if Gomez continues in this vain I wouldn't swap him for anyone City have. Silva and KDB are the outliers in midfield, but Silva is no spring chicken.
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I was saying that none of your midfielders are close to KdB or Silva, especially when Keita will still need time to settle. And while Salah is a great player, I don't think he is as individually brilliant as someone like Bale or Hazard, for instance. He is not that kind of player that would regularly beat two or three deep sitting defenders and I'm pretty sure would be much less effective in any other team bar yours. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mané was outperforming him this season. But that of course is just my humble opinion.
 
JDoe said:
I was saying that none of your midfielders are close to KdB or Silva, especially when Keita will still need time to settle. And while Salah is a great player, I don't think he is as individually brilliant as someone like Bale or Hazard, for instance. He is not that kind of player that would regularly beat two or three deep sitting defenders and I'm pretty sure would be much less effective in any other team bar yours. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mané was outperforming him this season. But that of course is just my humble opinion.
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You can say whatever you wish about Salah, but he still holds the PL goal record and will once more score 25+ goals this season. Whether it's only because of the way we play or not, that's a world class contribution.
 
JDoe said:
I was saying that none of your midfielders are close to KdB or Silva, especially when Keita will still need time to settle. And while Salah is a great player, I don't think he is as individually brilliant as someone like Bale or Hazard, for instance. He is not that kind of player that would regularly beat two or three deep sitting defenders and I'm pretty sure would be much less effective in any other team bar yours. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mané was outperforming him this season. But that of course is just my humble opinion.
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You’ve missed Klopp’s real achievement - he’s bought the right players to work well in his team, and he appears to be better than anyone at that at the moment.

Maybe you’re right that Salah isn’t as good as Bale, but he’s better in this Liverpool side than Bale would be and that’s all that matters.
 
Nuts said:
You’ve missed Klopp’s real achievement - he’s bought the right players to work well in his team, and he appears to be better than anyone at that at the moment.
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Oh, I've actually never denied that. I think he is one of, maybe even the best, in the world when it comes to getting out the absolute maximum of certain types of players. I just don't think that it is enough to make up the gulf in class in terms of squad quality when it comes to the first 18 players though. Especially against someone like Pep who is probably the best there is when it comes to consistently smashing smaller teams that parks the bus. I do think however that Pool will be doing better in the CL again though. Nevertheless, I'm not able to foresee the future and you guys have made great progress in the last few years.
 
We shouldn't get carried away. 7 wins out of 7 is good, but that's not something we'll be able to maintain for the whole season. We'll inevitably slip multiple times, and only then we will see what we really can hope for.

I'm really happy with our fullbacks and Gomez, they look like an established proper first team players so far.
Also I can imagine last year many saw our midfield of Hendo-Gini-Milner and thought "my lord what an average midfield they have...". Now whoever of those 3 are left out of the starting 11 will feel wrongly judged, as they all perform exceptionally.

The new guys will take lots of time to settle because ouf system relies on positioning and reacting to other teammate's movement heavily when we're out of possession. Our front and midfield 3 have to be very good at closing passing lanes and covering for those who move forward. I assume only time in training will help. It was the same with Robbo and Ox.
 
Just saw glimspes of the game and it seems like Klopp was using a 4-2-1-3 formation in the beginning with Shaqiri behind Mane, Firmino and Salah? (instead of the usual 4-3-3 formation)

That's interesting.
 
DonnieDarko said:
We shouldn't get carried away. 7 wins out of 7 is good, but that's not something we'll be able to maintain for the whole season. We'll inevitably slip multiple times, and only then we will see what we really can hope for.

I'm really happy with our fullbacks and Gomez, they look like an established proper first team players so far.
Also I can imagine last year many saw our midfield of Hendo-Gini-Milner and thought "my lord what an average midfield they have...". Now whoever of those 3 are left out of the starting 11 will feel wrongly judged, as they all perform exceptionally.

The new guys will take lots of time to settle because ouf system relies on positioning and reacting to other teammate's movement heavily when we're out of possession. Our front and midfield 3 have to be very good at closing passing lanes and covering for those who move forward. I assume only time in training will help. It was the same with Robbo and Ox.
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....dear lord :lol:. Now I'm unsure if I've been expressing myself a bit unclearly or if there are honestly some Pool fans in here that are so deluded and arrogant, such that they actually try to be funny and sarcastic when being told that City are still the biggest favorites for the league :lol:
 
CognitiveNeuro said:
Just saw glimspes of the game and it seems like Klopp was using a 4-2-1-3 formation in the beginning with Shaqiri behind Mane, Firmino and Salah? (instead of the usual 4-3-3 formation)

That's interesting.
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From what i saw, it was 4-2-3-1 in the 1st half and then second half it was back to normal.

----- salah----

bobby -- shaq -- mane
 
JDoe said:
They are playing well above their player's and squad's quality right now. Will be hard or neigh impossible for them to maintain that level for the whole season.
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Or.... could it be possible you have misjudged the quality of the players and squad?
 
VorZakone said:
Good thing they didn't manage to buy Fekir. Would have improved their bench significantly compared to Shaqiri.
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I actually think the Allison deal would not have happened if we had bought Fekir. Liverpool don’t have an unlimited transfer budget - this was just one season where we could spend the money brought in from the Coutinho sale (plus some extra). In the end, Allison has plugged a much bigger hole in our squad than Coutinho left when he departed.
 
Random Task said:
So, are Liverpool going to win the league? Yes or no.

Any of you dippers prepared to take a punt?
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Yes we will be champions, moreover we will play an exciting brand of football that is envied. I profoundly believe we will not lose a game in 2018.
 
giorno said:
The counterpoint is that those tactical tweaks mean your front 3 is unlikely to be as explosive as last season(then again, Salah turning into prime Cristiano Ronaldo had a lot to do with that), but on the hand you're genuinely scary on set pieces
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Yeah. I think not having a chamberlain type supporting them doesn't help. Still have Lallana/Keita who might show something on that front, but we should be bringing in someone like Fekir for that.
 
As I said in a previous post, if Liverpool beat Chelsea and City, which wouldn't surprise no one, then surely they will be favourites for the title. The run of fixtures after those two, could see Liverpool actually beating city's record of 19 straight wins. I can't even believe I'm saying this, but it can actually happen.
But even then Liverpool fans would still say they are still not favourites.
 
JDoe said:
....dear lord :lol:. Now I'm unsure if I've been expressing myself a bit unclearly or if there are honestly some Pool fans in here that are so deluded and arrogant, such that they actually try to be funny and sarcastic when being told that City are still the biggest favorites for the league :lol:
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I'm not really sure why you've decided that my post is a reply to yours or somehow related. It had nothing to do with what you wrote, neither it was sarcastic or funny. And yes, City are the favorites, I haven't seen anyone denying that.
 
Josh 76 said:
As I said in a previous post, if Liverpool beat Chelsea and City, which wouldn't surprise no one, then surely they will be favourites for the title. The run of fixtures after those two, could see Liverpool actually beating city's record of 19 straight wins. I can't even believe I'm saying this, but it can actually happen.
But even then Liverpool fans would still say they are still not favourites.
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Have you seen us over the last 28 years?
 
I’m torn between wanting Klopp to win a big trophy because I rate him as a world class manager and not wanting Pool to win anything. Wish Klopp had joined Arsenal feck what anyone else thinks he done an incredible job at Pool.
 
Josh 76 said:
As I said in a previous post, if Liverpool beat Chelsea and City, which wouldn't surprise no one, then surely they will be favourites for the title. The run of fixtures after those two, could see Liverpool actually beating city's record of 19 straight wins. I can't even believe I'm saying this, but it can actually happen.
But even then Liverpool fans would still say they are still not favourites.
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The inevitable collapse will occur at some point during the season, just as it has done on multiple occasions over the last 30 years.

Liverpool do not win league titles.
 
Random Task said:
The inevitable collapse will occur at some point during the season, just as it has done on multiple occasions over the last 30 years.

Liverpool do not win league titles.
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So you don’t think Liverpool will ever win another league title, ever?
 
Still cant see past City for this league. Liverpool looked better than last year, but its early doors.
 
I still say the scouse are bottlers and I can see a late-winter/spring 2019 PL tragedy (losses, draws, ChL/FA pressure, etc) but damn IT'S NOW OR NEVER this season for them, isn't it? Even more evident than the 2013-14 season. I mean, if not this season then when???
 
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