Basically you're saying that the rest of the top clubs, bar City who won't bother, doesn't challenge this season because they are not good enough.
So who is the failure again?
Liverpool 2018/19
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So who is the failure again?
Liverpool will be City's closest challengers this season in the EPL Chelsea might be up there also but that remains to be seen.
Yeye every year its the same, i'm not buying it, sure i can't say we will win the Title(Speaking for United), at least not yet, but i'm certain we will finish above Liverpool, again.
Win against southamtpon to make it 7 on the trot, lose against Chelsea in the EFL cup beat Chelsea away in the league the following weekend. I'll take this all day long and night in fact. I think it will happen and then I'll really start to think we are the bollocks.
You are certain Panathinaikos will finish above Liverpool again?
It is Liverpool because you fail to understand that of all the other clubs, you are the one in need to win a major thing. City have won the title last season, Chelsea two times for the past four seasons, United not that long ago, let alone 28 years, Spurs are Spurs, never a contender, nobody cares if they finish 1st, 2nd or 14th and Arsenal are simply not good enough. With all due respect to Spurs and Arsenal fans, but these two teams have become irrelevant in terms of rivalry, nobody cares about them, nor is scared at the prospect of them doing something big because it's not going to happen.
Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool - This is the poker in England, the cream of the crop. Three of these have basically split all the big trophies between them for the past decade. Liverpool have basically won feck all for the past 20-25 years while still braging about how big they are. If there is somebody desperate enough to win something it's Liverpool. For City, Chelsea and United is going to be just another season when they have a hickup and they go again next season and will surely win something because it is what they do, it is a habit for them. Unlike you who are desperate for trophies and this 'as long as the football is great, fans are happy' does not work for me.
Liverpool is settled, have the backing of the media, good depth and great atmosphere. Previous league winners rarerly do it for two times in a row (City) and they have their own mission this season (UCL) , Chelsea go through a massive rebuilding process, United you just don't feel they have what it takes to beat Liverpool, City and Chelsea to the league title. Spurs and Arsenal are irrelevant. If this is not Liverpool to lose then I don't know what it is.
I don't understand how properly scouting, and intelligently buying players has any degree of luck too it.
You can never be perfect. Scouts are only human and may not gauge a player's skills properly all the time. Eg: Memphis making a name for himself with PSV but struggling with us and now doing well in the French league. These are often not entirely predictable factors. Also, players are human beings and no-one can tell how a change of surroundings may impact them.
Salah was 4th choice for Klopp. He was the 19th player scouted for that position. There is plenty of luck involved in scouting and buying. There is also a skewed perception regarding signings where Utd, City and Chelsea are far more scrutinised.
xD, I'm a fan of Panathinaikos but i also support United mainly cause of Jose so im speaking for United
.I, as a Liverpool fan, can vouch I'm not "desperate" to win anything, so stop telling us how we should feel.
Who gives a shit what does or doesn't work for you? Praise yourself lucky then that you've picked a team to support that won the lottery.
You're friends with Pep, aren't you? Because you're basing your proposition on a made-up premise that he isn't interested in the league because he won it last year, which is quite clearly bollocks.
Comes in handy as well that you're dismissing Chelsea's chances to win the title this year because "rebuilding". As if Conte didn't win the title in his first year. All that talk about rebuilding, yet you fail to see that a rebuilding process might take more than just one year. It takes time to go from consistently finishing 4th-8th to consistently finishing 1st-4th and currently, rebuilding our status as a top club which consistently challenges for trophies is more than enough progress in three years time.
Klopp has completely transformed our squad, the mentality and the atmosphere around the club. He has bought himself yonks of time and is the most popular manager we've had in ages. It is great to see though that opponent fans are so very quick to already label our season a failure if we don't win the CL or PL. The fear must really be creeping in.
You don't make sense to me..
In a league competing with City, United and Chelsea who wins multiple trophies, because 'thats what they do' and Liverpool who 'basically won feck all for the past 20-25 years' you suggest, that we are favourites to win it?!
Well, thank you for having such faith in us. Surely you must then give Liverpool and Klopp credit for pulling the club to a position, where we are so good, that nothing but beating all of you serial winners is a total failure.
Where we are so good that you, Chelsea, have given up in september on challenging us, despite being top of the league.
I think with a lot of the anti-united / pro-Liverpool media is to blame for the simple fact a lot of people who hold prominent positions in the national newspapers are in their late 40s / early 50s - when you go back in time that is peak Liverpool era. No wonder there's a grudge out there at the moment for us.
Don't know why I'm posting it here by the way just had a brain flash after speaking to my daughter that there are 3 kids at school in her class who love City even though we live in the south east coast
Don't know why I'm posting it here by the way just had a brain flash after speaking to my daughter that there are 3 kids at school in her class who love City even though we live in the south east coast
I completely agree. But that applies to any transfer that ever existed. By that metric every successful signing was lucky. The element of intelligent scouting is much higher than the element of luck, because luck is inherent in any signing so it basically goes without saying
You can only aim for success, you can't guarantee it. Its a great line but you are aware it gives a hell of a lot more weight to managers like SAF, Pep and José who pretty much guarantee success for their teams? They may not always win the biggest trophies but bet your ass they wont leave empty handed. You're basically admitting Klopp won't get you there, and have accepted that. I think that is fine, but you can't have it both ways you see that right?
You say you can't be expected to be winning any trophies and are fine with that, as the only trophies that are worth winning are the ones you aren't expected to win anyways. That is just funny to me
Sorry it was a wrong example to use. How about these:
Leeds 1992
Blackburn 1995
Arsenal 1998
What in Gods name are you talking about??
City Are only going to be focused on the UCL??
Give over will ya, they were competitive on 4 fronts last season, Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup......I didn't genuinely believe they would be the 1st team to do the quadruple, but with how good they were last season, by the start of this year....I wouldn't have been surprised.
Yet your suggesting they will only "really" be competitively going for JUST the UCL
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Didn't you see yesterday how they will only focus on the CL this year
With their fans turning up in masses as the 12th man.Didn't you see yesterday how they will only focus on the CL this year
If Jurgen Klopp is with us for the next, say, 6 or 7 years, then at some point I would fully expect him to turn progress into success. However, my post was in relation to this season & the ridiculous assertion that he needs to win a big trophy otherwise he should be hung at dawn. Of course I wouldn't be happy just to see us as bridesmaids every year receiving plaudits for our wonderful football. But at this moment in time, I, & most other Liverpool supporters, are just enjoying the ride. But there will be occasions in the future when we're going to start asking: 'Are we there yet ?'
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If City go through a crisis and Sarri wins the title, there would be no excuses for Klopp. Sarri hasn't won anything big so far, lacks experience in the PL, his squad is not better than Liverpool's. On paper United do not have a better squad too. It's only if City are great again that Klopp can be excused. If they struggle though, no excuses whatsoever. The season would be a failure, make no mistake. And next season success won't be guaranteed either. City will throw 200m at new players, maybe other top teams too, etc.
Chelsea's, United's and Liverpool's squads are fairly similar quality wise, albeit I think United still has the most potential out of those three (talentwise, Sanchez should be only second to Hazard out of all attackers in the league, Pogba should be at least on par with KdB and Martial should be starter material for every top 4 club). Depends how you define "failure" though, if all three were doing fairly equal in the CL this season, any of those three should be aiming for second spot after City. There would always be two "failures" in that case.
Oh yeah I'd certainly be more than disappointed if City let their high standards slip to such an extent that another club other than Liverpool were to take advantage & win the league. But you're talking about 'what if's' here & they don't really count in debate do they ? At the end of the day we're just like every other club, we go out with the intention of amassing as many points as possible throughout the season & see where that takes us. We've had our best start to a season for a long time, so the foundations have been laid. It's up to Klopp, & the players, to build upon it. & as far as I'm concerned, I don't really care how much City & others spend in the future, because I have every confidence that our man will create a side - if he already hasn't - that will eventually come good. Be it this season, or next, or even the season after. I mean, how much have United spent since they last won the league ? & how many title challenges have they put in ? So throwing money at the problem doesn't always solve the problem. You need to sign the right players who'll fit whatever footballing philosophy your manager has. I think Pep does that, as does Klopp. So I'm sure that whatever happens this season, Jurgen Klopp will be the same as all the other manager come the summer. He too will look to improve upon what we have in regards to playing staff. & given his record so far, I'd say he has more chance of getting it right than he does of getting it wrong.
Dejan Lovren charged with perjury.
I guess you were thinking the same in 2009. You just had your best PL campaign ever and had embarassed Real in the CL. And then what? You progressed from 2nd to 7th.
Don't get me wrong, you've made progress under Klopp. But this "if not this then next season or even the season after" is bollocks. Things do not work like that.
How do you know that this current Liverpool team isn’t Klopp’ peak, and you’ll go backwards? The idea that Klopp will just continue pushing Liverpool forward is deeply flawed. Especially when you’ve recently sold players like Suarez and Coutinho.
Law of averages, Klopp has lost 6 finals in a row, he's bound to get gifted a final through variance
What kind of utter nonsensical rubbish is this?
We've 'become irrelevant' ? We've gradually become more and more relevant in recent years, it's like you started following football last season. Also, if you think none of your fellow Chelsea fans, or Arsenal fans etc would care if we won the league/CL, then you're kidding yourself, of course the rivalry is very much alive. Have you ever actually been to a Spurs vs Chelsea game? Or Chelsea vs Arsenal for that matter? These rivalries aren't dead at all just because only Chelsea have been successful recently in terms of trophies.
Well since he has come in, he’s only moved the club in one direction, forwards. Nothing is guaranteed, but he’s given us no reason not to be positive. Suarez was sold and as expected, it had a terrible effect on the club and put us back years. Klopp wasn’t around then. Countinho was sold and half a season later, the club has reinvested and the progress has continued apace. Klopp and the club have done an incredible job recently so not sure why Liverpool fans wouldn’t be positive at this time. Of course, as a rival fan, I completely understand why you wouldn’t want that to be the case.
Of course Spurs are relevant, and have been for a number of years. They’re regularly in the Champions league and compete at the highest levels of the game consistently.
Liverpool had become irrelevant as far as title races were concerned. For many years in the recent past we couldn’t even get close to a top 4 spot. This is probably the first time in a decade we’ve started a season with fans and the media believing a title challenge is a real likelihood.
Chelsea are relevant, and have been since Abramovic parachuted in with his billions. They won the lottery and every trophy they’ve won will have an asterisk against it - City the same.
Spurs, Arsenal, United and Liverpool are competing on their own steam. Chelsea and City will never earn respect the way those who build their legacy over time have done.
Just my opinion, of course.
Again, did Benitez give you a reason not to be positive back in 2009?
The notion of a steady progress in football is very dubious, especially in an extremely competitive league with very rich clubs.
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I'm sick and tired of Liverpool fans trying to play this all down. Even the Liverpool pundits and media are all holding back and not daring to say Liverpool will win it. It's like they don't want to jinx it or something. At the moment Liverpool are second favourites with all the bookies and the odds are shortening each week they win. In the next few weeks they will face Chelsea and City, and it wouldn't surprise no one if they win both games and all of a sudden the gap at the top will start opening up and the bookies will have Liverpool favourites. Klopp can try and manupilate all the fans into thinking a top 4 finish is progress, but he knows deep down if the title is not won, questions will be asked!
While Benitez had managed to build a good team our clubs owners were driving the club towards bankruptcy. There was no money available to improve the squad and the general feeling around the club wasn’t positive. This ended up with our club being hours away from going into administration. FSG came in and it has taken up until now to rebuild the squad.
There is a huge difference between the state of the club in 2009 and now. Stability is key and there was none in 2009.
That's true. But have you become richer relative to the other top clubs? The league is becoming more and more competitive now. Spurs are in a much better state than in 2009, City are on an entirely different level to you financially wise, United are willing to splash the cash. FSG are good owners but will they be able to compete over the next years? I'm not sure. Time will tell. What I'm sure of is that to project trends from the last 2-3 years on the next years is a highly dubious exercise. Next season can always be worse than the previous, there's no guarantee for "progress".
You are contradicting yourself. Why should our season be considered a failure if we don't win the title when we are not even favourites to win the title in the first place?
If we weren't this cautious with self-proclaiming ourselves as the title favourite, you'd be "sick and tired" of all our gloating and over-enthousiasm instead of us trying to play it down. Which isn't even what we're doing, we're being sensible and telling it as it is - we should expect a title challenge with this squad but not one supporter, from any English club in fact, should expect a trophy at the beginning of the season, at least not for their season to be considered a succes/failure. Like I've said before, the notion that we need to win the title is ridiculous because we could end up with 95 points and not win it, which would still be a great fecking effort.
I think this is a fair ask.
Regarding the squad strength, I would say there are fine margins between us and Chelsea. Their midfield is far better. Our front 3 is better, albeit, with a steep drop as far as backups are concerned. Defense is neck-to-neck I would say.
of course luck plays a part, humans are so unpredictable.There were reasons, but I agree on your point. After that season we replaced Alonso with Aquilani and finished 6th. And after 13/14 we sold Suarez and finished 7th. The year after Ferguson left you went from winners to 7th. Chelsea has shown a few times how things can quickly change. The truth is that you never know in football.
Klopp could leave, so could one or some of our best players. And it could go wrong if all of them stays also. We could get new and worse owners. We never know. He could also get it right.
Right now the signs are positive and all the fans, and the media, are behind him, but how far Klopp will take us is anyones guess.
Nope. Are you saying your midfield is not as good as Chelsea's? Don't go by names, look at the performances. Milner is currently one of the best midfielders in the league and in CL as well. Sublimely intelligent player. Henderson was an intercepting and tackling machine in your PSG game, and Wijnaldum has improved a lot since his initial days.
Your current trio are so good that they can keep Naby Keita on the bench if their form persists. And you have Fabinho who can play in midfield for depth.
I'd say your midfield is the second best in the league. Chelsea's is almost as good, but I'll give you extra points for more depth.
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