I am really impressed by Robertson, cost only 8 million too, which is an incredible bargain. Great player.
Liverpool 2018/19
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He said he was worried it would work for them but I dont remember him saying he will win the league in 4,5 years.
Klopp should have been ours
I am speechless. We can all accept that they are good team, playing some nice football but these kind of quotes are just too much
Hate to say it but compare their full backs to ours.
Always on the front foot,aggressive, looking to go forward and whipping in quality crosses whereas ours, well meh.
Just hope Dalot is an improvement for us.
Always on the front foot,aggressive, looking to go forward and whipping in quality crosses whereas ours, well meh.
Just hope Dalot is an improvement for us.
Robertson has been good but TAA really needs to work on his positioning. Shaw has been just as good and one of our best players this season, so don't be too negative.
His crossing is fantastic. Really hoping that Shaw \ Dalot can develop that for us.
Sadly those kind of posts are the norm right now.
Still buzzing from yesterdays win. What a start to out nightmarish september/october. Looking at our team last night, which all things considered were by far the better side, it’s kind of amazing that our two big summer buys were left on the bench almost all game. Once Keita and Fabinho find their feet, we should look even better.
On a side note, is Milner the best free agent ever? What a fecking player.
On a side note, is Milner the best free agent ever? What a fecking player.
Considering how many players who played in the WC are struggling for form, Milner's decision to quit the national side seems to be to our benefit at the minute. He looks as fresh as a daisy.
Early days, but if they don't win anything this season there'll be some tough questions.
Yeah. Him and Gini have made our midfield suddenly seem incredibly well stocked and competitive.
A year ago, our back five was still
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TAA/Gomez - Matip - Lovren - Moreno
Feck me. It's like a dark freakshow chapter that somehow went on for far too long. Those three have actually been here for more than 4 years.
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TAA/Gomez - Matip - Lovren - Moreno
Feck me. It's like a dark freakshow chapter that somehow went on for far too long. Those three have actually been here for more than 4 years.
This is easily the best LFC team since you gave us a run for our money in the league in 2009.
Klopp's team is also very young, damn. He will not loose players year after year as he did at Dortmund as well. This is liverpools golden age under klopp. They will not win the league, because klopp will loose against smaller teams sometimes, while Guardiola knows how to trash them, having exp with Barca and Bayer.
They don't seem to be missing Buvac so far.
I don't buy into this - 'Klopp needs to win something anytime soon' - lark. You can only aim for success, you can't guarantee it. There are quite often external circumstances that are out of your control that determine your fate. A bit like us facing tough opposition in all 3 of the finals we've reached under Klopp. Or Manchester United in 2009 probably having their greatest ever side under Ferguson who came up against an even greater side in Barcelona in the CL final. Then the same thing happened 2 years later. We now have the situation whereby Man City not only have arguably the best manager in the world running their club, but they also have the wealth to pretty much blow everyone out of the water financially. So considering there are only 2 trophies that anyone really cares about, & taking into account the strength of the other teams aiming for those 2 trophies, I seriously doubt anyone at Anfield will be asking some tough questions if the trophy cabinet is still bare come the end of the season. Obviously if we do fail to build upon our good start & don't achieve a minimum of 80 points or so, then I think Klopp might have to explain why things didn't go to plan.
Luke shaw is brilliant. But I cant stand it when we lign up with Valencia and Young. Two old ex wingers as full backs for a world class team seems wrong.
Liverpool just about beat a very shit (on the night) PSG.
Don't think they deserve any praise from United fans.
Don't think they deserve any praise from United fans.
Easily agree with this - he doesn't need to win anything for me - it's clear progress is there. You reached the Champions League final ffs.
I think we'll all be fine with Liverpool not winning anything really.
The journey is enjoyable. Some don’t get to travel as far
They are winning without looking formidable. Spurs are not on form (3 losses in a row now) and missed Alli. PSG have great quality in attack but were lazy last night.
One can draw very different conclusions: that they are only going to get better or that they are a bit lucky now and will be found out soon or later. Only time can tell. What makes them hard to beat is the enormous effort they are willing to put in. Their players are very good and most of them are like soldiers to boot. It's the latter that makes the whole greater than the parts. Player by player they are inferior to Barca, Real, City, especially squad wise, and not much better than Chelsea and United, if better at all. But they are ready to run 120 km if needed. Only Spurs can match that (physical effort) in England but they are not so well organised (now).
That said, when you compensate differences in quality with running and fighting, fatigue is bound to catch up with you at some point.
One can draw very different conclusions: that they are only going to get better or that they are a bit lucky now and will be found out soon or later. Only time can tell. What makes them hard to beat is the enormous effort they are willing to put in. Their players are very good and most of them are like soldiers to boot. It's the latter that makes the whole greater than the parts. Player by player they are inferior to Barca, Real, City, especially squad wise, and not much better than Chelsea and United, if better at all. But they are ready to run 120 km if needed. Only Spurs can match that (physical effort) in England but they are not so well organised (now).
That said, when you compensate differences in quality with running and fighting, fatigue is bound to catch up with you at some point.
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It's getting really worrying. Especially since I think that as City won the EPL last season, Pep will do everything to try to win the ECL this season. Hope I'm wrong.
I agree that it would be mad to overly criticise Klopp for having another trophy-less season. There are obvious signs of progression. Thing is, in my mind, the only way Liverpool progress from last season is by winning something. I think it’s quite clear that Liverpool are the 2nd best team in the country and - unless City win all 3 domestic trophies - Liverpool really should be expecting success somewhere along the road. For reference, I expect United to win something this season and will be disappointed if they don’t. Liverpool are currently a better side than us, and should have the same expectations, if not more so.
Of course, the huge lack of success (relative to Liverpool) over the last 13 season does mean that expectations will be lower than other big clubs, and managing expectations is probably one of the toughest aspects of managing Liverpool - but Liverpool have a fantastically balanced squad, good depth and a manager who seems the perfect fit. If this Liverpool squad under Klopp can’t be expected to win something, when will they ever be?
Personally, I am not sure if we should be happy that we are winning without being at our best or start getting worried that our attack is not clicking yet.
I thought we were pretty good last night but that might be due to the fact that we were playing PSG. We're always up for it in games like that.
We need a bit more consistency from the front three. They've all been a mixed bag so far. Salah was decent against Spurs but was poor last night, Firmino had an awful game against Palace I think, but has played well in the last few games. Mane had a terrible game against Brighton but has had some really good games as well.
If we can get all three of them firing regularly then we'll be in a really good place.
Result wise they are doing a fabulous job but I am still not seeing them as some world beaters. PSG yesterday were awful ,yet scored 2 goals and almost got a draw. To sum this liverpool side, I would say they like any klopp's side are a confidence side. I want to see how they react to one loss.
All this praise for Liverpool on a united forum. This place is a joke. Yes hey are doing well, but it’s Liverpool. I’ll be keeping out of the Liverpool fan club thread from now on!
To be fair I fail to understand how another season of not winning a major trophy (League Cup does not even come into consideration, nor the FA Cup) is seen as a progress and not a total failure. Then why brag about all the trophies you've won long time ago if the so called 'progress' ia more important than trophies? I find it funny when 20 year olds, even 30 year olds make fun of others calling them plastics and all kind of names when actually they did not even see Liverpool winning a PL title, still they brag about all those trophies lol.
Imagine this - Liverpool won their last PL title back in 1990. So you would have to be at least, let's say, 34 or 35 to at least have the decency to say 'Yeah I've lived the glory times' even though I don't know how many 6 or 7 year olds were avid fans by them and remember something.
Now you see all the 20 and 30 year olds calling others plastics but what separates those who brag about trophies they've never seen their team win from those they call plastics?
To finish my idea - If they go three seasons with no major trophy (CL / UCL) come the end of May under one of world's best managers then it must be called out loud a total failure, no doubts about this. It's not like they win a trophy every year, they've gone 28 years already w/o a single league title and one CL title in 35 years for what is supposed to be one of football's elite.
Imagine this - Liverpool won their last PL title back in 1990. So you would have to be at least, let's say, 34 or 35 to at least have the decency to say 'Yeah I've lived the glory times' even though I don't know how many 6 or 7 year olds were avid fans by them and remember something.
Now you see all the 20 and 30 year olds calling others plastics but what separates those who brag about trophies they've never seen their team win from those they call plastics?
To finish my idea - If they go three seasons with no major trophy (CL / UCL) come the end of May under one of world's best managers then it must be called out loud a total failure, no doubts about this. It's not like they win a trophy every year, they've gone 28 years already w/o a single league title and one CL title in 35 years for what is supposed to be one of football's elite.
It's not getting anywhere close to worrying yet, it's still the start of the season.
So you think we should go from finishing 6th to winning major trophies in the space of just a few years then ? & in a league where we have the likes of City, Chelsea, & United, constantly outspending us year after year in the transfer market. No offence mate, but I find it laughable coming from a supporter of a team who went 50 years between league titles before they got themselves a new owner who's billions was the major contributory factor in changing that. This summer is the probably the first transfer window where we've gone in balls-deep & spent like a mega-rich club. The future in 4 or 5 years time will determine whether or not that spending was a success, & certainly not May next year.
It's very over the top given how early it is and the history Liverpool have for fecking things up no matter how well they're playing.
You've finished 6th years ago, now you have cemented your place in top 4 and you're just coming of a Champions League final. Clubs build their future plans during a two or three seasons process which frankly you have achieved now. What is the next level now if not major trophies? Going back to Europa League? Come on... Let's be real here. You have a top manager in his third season there and as you Liverpool fans say 'one of world's best GK, centre back and a Ballon Dor contender in Salah'. Add Mane and Keita. And you say it is still a building process lol.
You are fooling yourself big time. Chelsea are the unfinished article right now, not Liverpool. New manager, completely new tactics, David Luiz as a starter, Giroud leads the line, we are not contenders. United won't put up a fight, nor will Spurs. Arsenal are dog crap and won't finish top 4 be sure of that. You are basically fighting in a two horse race and City won't put the same numbers as last season, this you can be sure of. Guardiola has achieved one of his wishes, to win the PL, now he is going all in for the UCL and City will drop a lot of points in PL this season.
I wish Chelsea wins the PL this season, of course I do, but only ignorant fools will believe that this is not Liverpool's title to lose. The stage is all set up for your first title in decades mate, continue to dreams otherwise. You blow it and it is a massive failure even if you agree it or not
Really?
I imagine that's just one of many things you fail to understand.
Progress--forward or onward movement toward a destination.
If you do better this year than you did last year, that's progress.
If you make supporters feel happy and proud, that's no kind of failure at all.
But yeah, I love it when fans of other teams tell me how I should be judging my own.
I don't call other supporters "plastics" because it's a piss poor insult and I can do better. But as far as I know, the only team we call "plastics" are Chelsea. And the thing that separates us from you is our club doesn't hand out tens of thousands of plastic flags in sad and failed attempts to create an atmosphere.
Fortunately, we're not very interested in what random plastics think about our progress.
Incidentally, Chelsea have only won one European Cup/Champions League in 113 years. You must be gutted about that. Still, maybe this year, eh?
We can still do much better but the signs are discouraging, especially from a defensive point of view. A long way to go though and consistency is one thing we struggle with.
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At the end of the day they beat PSG, downplay it all you want and PSG were far from there best but Liverpools pressure never allowed them to take the initiative in the game so they contributed to PSG playing poor
What a great reply.
You are spot on mate. Just to back up your point. Leicester won the title from nowhere, so all this crap about Liverpool needing another couple of seasons to bed in is complete nonsense!
Awful post all around. Someone who thinks it's Liverpool's title to lose after another team put up 100 fecking points last season is not even worth debating things with.
Did you not learn not to use one-offs and outliers to prove your point? They should be dismissed when talking about the grand scheme of things, if anything. Something like Leicester hadn’t happened before and will not happen again for a long, long time.
I don't care how you suddenly became rich, and personally I find it childish referring to you as plastics or whatever you're called, but it looks like someone must have hit a sore point somewhere..
You're absolutely right, that our succes is in the past. We have won one major trophy since 1990. We have well and truly been knocked off our fecking perch. There's no point denying that. It's a fact. That doesn't mean, that we can't be proud of our history, does it?
In the proces of being knocked off our perch, we have also been left behind financially by several of our rivals, which means we haven't been able to compete for the best players regarding transfers and wages, and we have regularly lost our best players over the years.
With that in mind, and the fact that we face a historically strong team in Manchester City besides yourselves and Man United in PL, and all of Europes elite on top of them like Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve etc. in CL.. How do you expect us to suddenly win these trophies and deem it a total failure, if we don't? Makes no sense to me..
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