Sturridge and Suarez were something else that season. It wasn’t just Suarez, Sturridge had absolutely everything in his locker, shame the injuries killed his career and pace.Aye. Looking at the team we had versus Man City in 13/14 compared to the team we had tonight, you'd say the only two positions we haven't improved on are Coutinho (who was playing behind Sterling/Sturridge/Suarez) and Suarez.
You'd take Allison over Mignolet, you'd take Robertson/TAA over Flanagan/Johnson, VVD/anyone over Skrtel/Sakho, Mane over Sterling (at that point), Salah over Sturridge. Might get some stick from other Liverpool fans from saying it, but I'd take Milner over Gerrard at that point in his career. Hendo = Hendo
13/14 Suarez you take over anyone on the field on either nights. Coutinho over Gini, too (honestly I just lumped midfielders together).
Yeah he's been class. 101 games or so for us now, and he's been nothing other than solid for us. Rarely spectacular, but rarely less than a 6/10 or 7/10 performance.
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He was so clinical that year. Hard to believe we went from 31 and 22 goals from Suarez and Sturridge as our topscorers in 13/14, to 9 and 7 from Gerrard and Sterling in 14/15.
We're winning it all
It's depressing to see how much better they are than us.
Aye, I still stick to this being one of my all time favourite goals:
I know it was a pretty meaningless goal in a pretty comfortable match, but it's one of those you just watch and go... What?
Klopp should have been ours 
I'm really excited to see how they perform, they are exciting to watch. I don't know whether the game against PSG is a positive or negative though, because PSG were really terrible and still managed to hold on to a draw until a huge mistake from Mbappe and a pretty great finish from Firmino. They'll be champion-material once they learn to finish teams that don't deserve to be on the pitch with them.
Then imagine how depressing it must have been for the Liverpool fans during the Fergie era. The depressing factor will only kick in once they start winning things and for the past 10 years they've won feck all. This year they definitely have a big chance but chances are they will end up trophyless and say "next year is our year" Like they have been saying since the stone ages but if they end up winning something major then credit to them. It's obvious Klopp is the perfect fit for them but I seriously do wonder if things eventually go to hell like it did during his Dortmund tenure then what will the Liverpool fans say, would they want him gone or stick with him?
But one of the main reasons for that was Bayern got Lewy, gotze in subsequent years and reus was always injured. There is only so much you can do with youth and coaching and a modest budget. Quality players should be brought in periodically to refresh the squad. Poch is finding that right now at Tottenham. Unless Liverpool lose any of their big guns in the subsequent transfer windows, I think they are here to stay at least for the next 2 years. Last year, they had no midfield depth and plugged that gap with fabinho and keita. They added Shaqiri, not a consistent player but offers something different. Their defence has improved. I don't want to be alive when they win a league title. We will never hear the end of it from their fans and Sky Sports.
Klopp should have been ours
I think there are a few Liverpool forums you can post stuff like this on. Jeez, Its bad enough with the media love-in. This is a Manchester United forum
If they can stay away from injuries to key players then I'd say this year will be their best ever shot at the league. Their front 3 is deadly and as you say defensively they have improved, also Keita seems a great buy so they will definitely put up a challenge this year and I think City and Chelsea will be their main rivals but eventually I think Liverpool and City will be the two fighting for the title with City winning in the end.
Their nightmare run has started brilliantly. feck this shit.
Don't think anyone can help but admit they look good.
And credit to their board / owners for getting the right manager in and backing him in what seems a good medium to long term strategy.
Shit
And credit to their board / owners for getting the right manager in and backing him in what seems a good medium to long term strategy.
Shit
2 tests cleared 5 more to go before the next international break. Think they'll phone in the league cup match against Chelsea and lose or draw against City. Can see them winning the rest.
This is the 4th season, Klopp has to deliver. Has to win one of the big two trophies.
This is the 4th season, Klopp has to deliver. Has to win one of the big two trophies.
Given that Liverpool won one of those out of the last 56 available, I really doubt that he is dealing with the kind of pressure you are suggesting.
Didn't he have a four year plan when he came on board? They may project it otherwise but I think there is pressure to win big trophies this season after being given both ample time and money since he joined in. A season without either of the two should be considered a failure.
Reminds me of the scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, when Ferris's sister visits the athletics ground, only to find out he skipped out on school practice.
"I hate him!"
That pretty much sums it up. My level of disdain for Liverpool grows by the game, and it sickens me to admit they're really rather good.
Also hate the fact it's made me dislike Klopp. I loved him at Dortmund. He was a real character. Now he's a real character that I hate.
Wish someone would steal the wheels off their title race. Wouldn't that be ironic?
"I hate him!"
That pretty much sums it up. My level of disdain for Liverpool grows by the game, and it sickens me to admit they're really rather good.
Also hate the fact it's made me dislike Klopp. I loved him at Dortmund. He was a real character. Now he's a real character that I hate.
Wish someone would steal the wheels off their title race. Wouldn't that be ironic?
I'm just really enjoying the ride right now, though he did was promise a trophy. League cup I guess?
Years of disappointment has conditioned me, I suppose. I'm just happy when we play well enough.
I think it is well possible that the goal of the plan was to make Liverpool competitive for the big honours, not necessarily win. I mean, if he, for instance, finishes second in EPL this year and reaches CL semis, I don't think anyone would see his time at the club as a failure.
On second thought, there are a lot of fans with a "you are either first or last" mentality, but it would be irrational for their board to view things the same way.
Impressive. They are top 2 in the league and in terms of their standing in the CL, I'd put them on par with Atletico Madrid - dark horses, tough nuts to crack for the favourites.
It helps that they have by and large lucked out on all major signings ever since the Lovren-Lambert-Lallana disaster. But then, you make your own luck - their success is the result of efficient owners (FSG), a proper transfer structure and a good manager. I am sure Klopp, if left to his own devices without the help of their board, won't be able to make such good signings.
Hate to say it, but despite the lack of trophies, their progression in 3 years is the trajectory we aimed for, but failed due to mistakes by both the manager and Ed. While we won some cups, the progress isn't so clear-cut.
It helps that they have by and large lucked out on all major signings ever since the Lovren-Lambert-Lallana disaster. But then, you make your own luck - their success is the result of efficient owners (FSG), a proper transfer structure and a good manager. I am sure Klopp, if left to his own devices without the help of their board, won't be able to make such good signings.
Hate to say it, but despite the lack of trophies, their progression in 3 years is the trajectory we aimed for, but failed due to mistakes by both the manager and Ed. While we won some cups, the progress isn't so clear-cut.
That's true.
It's the same as us United fans mocking the "Mickey Mouse Treble" all those years back and then jumping with joy at Europa and League cup double after finishing 6th in the league.
I am totaling guessing this but I think Klopp takes these projects (BVB and Liverpool) as a challenge to bring about some lost glory to these clubs. It has to be a personal failure to him if he is not able to win a big trophy with Liverpool. As for the board, I am sure they'll be more patient.
"Being competitive again" seriously doesn't mean guaranteed future success in this climate. Sir Alex won us so many big trophies over his reign and established us a top dog and still we haven't been able to properly compete in the last 6 years. There is no guarantee that Liverpool will continue on this upward trajectory once he leaves. Similarly Spurs have performed admirably since Poch managed them, but there is no guarantee that they'll be the same once he decides to leave them. What I mean to say is that you have to strike when the iron is hot in this competitive environment. This is time to win trophies. If they miss their opportunities, they might have to wait a while before it is this good for them.
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Not sure if losing final after final is that enjoyable.Klopp should have been ours
The fustrating and annoying thing is Fergie got Utd to go for Moyes, then when Klopp arrived at Liverpool, Fergie said "That's s great appointment for them, they will win the League within 4 or 5 years".Klopp should have been ours
What a feck up!
I guess being prematurely dumped out by Sevilla took the sting out for you. Good for you.
His post was fair.
Klopp is doing a fine job but the serious lack of trophies and losses in finals will be at the back of every Liverpool fan’s mind, even they don’t want to admit it.
Playing attacking, exciting football is all well and good but if you’re not winning the big prizes whilst doing so, then it’s just the same as the Newcastle side under Keegan who were every neutral’s favourite team to watch but ultimately failed because they never won anything.
Fergie and Guardiola were masters at this. They entertained but first and foremost ensured that their teams won league title after league title.
Liverpool at the moment are playing with no fear and look like they can beat anyone.
But let’s see what you win before you get too cocky. As a Liverpool fan, you’ve ‘won the league in September’ before only to see it all come crashing down.
The CL final must have been fun, but what about all the other finals Klopp lost?
No one cares about the League Cup.
Sevilla was disappointing yes, but it was in his first season so the optimism afterwards with regards to the future made up for that for me personally.
Should have beaten sevilla. Can't complain too much about losing to manchester city.
They're looking rather good, aren't they? As much as i dislike our biggest rivals, I could not help but smile a bit at seeing those smug Qatari feckers get a nice punch in the mouth after seeing them bully modest Ligue 1 sides week in and week out
If I was Klopp I would be 100% focused on the Prem though. Winning that is more important for Liverpool than the CL right now.
If I was Klopp I would be 100% focused on the Prem though. Winning that is more important for Liverpool than the CL right now.
By that logic, can't complain at all losing to Real Madrid
The thing that has impressed me most is our midfield lately. Our forwards weren't all that last night - It was basically our midfield that took a vice to PSG and kept them in it. If they keep this up, there will need to be some revision on how good some of those players are.
Milner is playing the best football of his career - He's genuinely so good I am no longer thinking "but we should be upgrading on him in a more ideal world". He does everything.
Wijnaldum seems to have woken up. Found another level too this season, even if he is a level below Milner. He even bleeding scored away from home last week.
The funny part is that we did with the two shiny new lads sitting on the bench.
Milner is playing the best football of his career - He's genuinely so good I am no longer thinking "but we should be upgrading on him in a more ideal world". He does everything.
Wijnaldum seems to have woken up. Found another level too this season, even if he is a level below Milner. He even bleeding scored away from home last week.
The funny part is that we did with the two shiny new lads sitting on the bench.
Hard to say - Karius meant we never really got a chance to see if we could compete in the game.
True, just saying Real Madrid 17/18 are much much better than Man City 15/16
Well yeah - it's not like you can look at that final and say it reflects poor on klopp that he lost that final. We had little right to be there in the first place looking at the standings when the competition started. We were going up against a significantly better side.
Still, I see that final as basically a write-off that we learned little from except that Karius didn't belong at that level and Bale is really good.
Fair enough...
when did ferguson say that? (the winning league thing)?
Exactly. Funny how no one says how well he did in actually getting us to those 3 finals considering he was also of trying to build a side that would make us competitive again. We lost to 3 very good sides. I'm pretty sure if we were to play 3 one-off games against the likes of Crystal Palace, Southampton, & Ajax, then we'd win at least one of them & all this shite about Klopp being a 'bottler' in finals wouldn't exist.
Liverpool deserved to win last night. They did not need to run much either: 104 km. PSG ran only 101 km though which isn't good enough if you want to succeed an Anfield. 101 km is bordering on laziness these days. To be fair, most players who took part in the WC are not in top physical form yet.
They look scary good. Both their FB's are one of the best in the world atm.
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