Liverpool 2018/19

By how many points will Liverpool win the title this season?

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The Will Gordon Show said:
All this money spent and they still seem only decent/alright. Can't be challenging for the title with such an uninspiring midfield - i get that Keita is decent, but Ox-Chamberlain is ruled out for the season, Lallana's constantly injured, Wijnaldum is anonymous most of the time and Milner is no spring chicken. Will battle it out with Chelsea/Arsenal for the last top 4 spot.
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Keita is really good. I watched quite a few Leipzig games last season (betting habit) and on paper he will fit that Liverpool side like a glove and be one of the better central midfielders in the league. He's perfect for a Klopp side. Doesn't always work out this way but I'd be surprised if he wasn't a big improvement on their current options. Fabinho is a decent upgrade on their other options too, should add a bit of solidity in there and a bit more depth.

With those two in there as well as an extremely potent attack, they should be dangerous. You don't need a world class midfield to challenge for the title, Fergie's later sides were hardly exceptional in this area and Rodgers was Gerrard staying on his feet from winning the league with the likes of Lucas, Allen, a past it Gerrard and Henderson. Their current options are undeniably superior and even if they're only competent they will still be dangerous with that front three, for sure.

I don't think their guaranteed to rip the league up (signings will take time to bed in, other teams are also strong) but I'd say they're definitely better than decent, on paper. Sadly I'd be surprised if they weren't comfortably in the top four with a title challenge depending on whether City have a similar season to last.
 
If you think Liverpool fans have low expectations, then you don’t understand Liverpool fans.

Expectations are massive, and they always have been. Klopp is being supported because season on season the team is improving. If a team is improving, what else do people want?
 
Obi-Red-Kenobi said:
I don’t think Klopp wants Liverpool to be like Man UTD, he plays more like City, with attractive football.

Yes, expectations should be higher, but my point, which still stands is Liverpool have not net spent more than UTD or City in the last 5 years, and therefore expectations should not be higher than at those teams, and he shouldn’t be ‘expected’ to win the league like some suggest. He should however be expected to finish higher in the league than last season.

The simple fact is the team have scored more and conceded less season on season since he has been there. It’s progress for all to see.
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Net spend is not relevant to your performances on the field. The bottom line is that Klopp has available an extremely expensive team, up there with the priciest in the league, and thus he must perform to that level. You can't spend hundreds of millions and escape with just making the top four. Expecting him to win the league is too much (due to the presence of City) but anything under third would be a huge let down given the investment.

He also needs to win a trophy. 'Progress' in terms of scoring more/conceding less doesn't mean anything if you fail to secure any trophies or finish any higher in the league. When we finished second there were a ton of stats bandied around about how we were the highest scoring, least conceding team ... blah blah, it's irrelevant.
 
Almost everything will depend on Salah replicating his season. If he doesn’t, all these signings will at best make them competitive.
 
I think a good season will be a deep cup run or two and top 3 finish.
We're still only a couple of injuries away from having to field a CB partnership with 2 of Gomez,Matip and Klavan.
Reinforce at CB and get one more quality attacker and we'll have a chance.
Bookies have us at 9-2 and that seems reasonable.
Fantastic window so far and can't wait for the season to start.
 
Moonred said:
Almost everything will depend on Salah replicating his season. If he doesn’t, all these signings will at best make them competitive.
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I think that Salah’s importance will also be determined by how we are defensively. We were pretty poor in the first half of last season, but if we’re more solid at the back then we might find that scoring one or two goals is enough to win games that we would’ve dropped points in previously.

If that’s the case then Salah’s goals won’t hold as much importance.
 
They can win nothing, if they play their bum rush football they will get plaudits regardless.
 
Obi-Red-Kenobi said:
If you think Liverpool fans have low expectations, then you don’t understand Liverpool fans.

Expectations are massive, and they always have been. Klopp is being supported because season on season the team is improving. If a team is improving, what else do people want?
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But you got less points last season so I do not understand your point

Also no trophies

So doesn’t make sense
 
FootyGirl88 said:
As good as their squad looks on paper I do think it lacks experience and leadership.
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I’m with you

Am also skeptical if salah can reproduce anything like his last season. His performances were outstanding and actually hid a lot of inefficiencies in their attack IMO.
 
I think with the amount of investment in positions that were weaknesses previously and progress made on the pitch, most rivals would be surprised if Liverpool didn't win something sooner rather than later. I also think Liverpool supporters would be disappointed.

I don't think it will be the league or CL this season, but a domestic cup would be a good place to start.
 
Fridge chutney said:
I think with the amount of investment in positions that were weaknesses previously and progress made on the pitch, most rivals would be surprised if Liverpool didn't win something sooner rather than later. I also think Liverpool supporters would be disappointed.

I don't think it will be the league or CL this season, but a domestic cup would be a good place to start.
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Yup have to start somewhere win something changes players mentality regardless of what it is. Losing finals is a complete demoraliser and players start questioning the managers ability before long. Has happened to Klopp twice now with mostly same group f players. Needs to be very careful with his dismissal of English cup competitions ImO
 
automaticflare said:
But you got less points last season so I do not understand your point

Also no trophies

So doesn’t make sense
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A 1 point difference but going all the way in European competition (when everyone expected us to burn out as well) is good progress. We had no European matches the season before so of course it was a better season
 
Speedy30 said:
A 1 point difference but going all the way in European competition (when everyone expected us to burn out as well) is good progress. We had no European matches the season before so of course it was a better season
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1 point less == not better

Fluked a champions league run and demolished by only decent team you played
 
Speedy30 said:
Forgetting that we smashed 5 past Man City?
1 point less is not a better return clearly but in context it is
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Nope it is not better

Smashing city means nothing city set up exactly how you would have wanted them
Anyone who you came up who played like you didn’t want you struggled or lost and Klopp and your fan base complained like you were the inventors of football and the way everyone else played was illegal

You did not improve last season and your fluke cup run is being used to mask it

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story tho

I did say struggled and lost should be struggled or lost
 
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automaticflare said:
Nope it is not better

Smashing city means nothing city set up exactly how you would have wanted them
Anyone who you came up who played like you didn’t want you struggled and lost and Klopp and your fan base complained like you were the inventors of football and the way everyone else played was illegal

You did not improve last season and your fluke cup run is being used to mask it

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story tho
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City set up to beat us and we beat them instead. You should ask Pep to set up differently next season if it upsets you so much.
We can't help what gets put in front of us can we? You only had Sevilla to beat but couldn't. We got to the final on merit.
 
automaticflare said:
Nope it is not better

Smashing city means nothing city set up exactly how you would have wanted them
Anyone who you came up who played like you didn’t want you struggled and lost and Klopp and your fan base complained like you were the inventors of football and the way everyone else played was illegal

You did not improve last season and your fluke cup run is being used to mask it

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story tho
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We beat plenty of sides who set up defensively last season, and we dropped points against sides who didn’t.

We lost to Swansea, United, City, Spurs and Chelsea. Out of those sides, only Swansea set up defensively.
 
Klopper76 said:
We beat plenty of sides who set up defensively last season, and we dropped points against sides who didn’t.

We lost to Swansea, United, City, Spurs and Chelsea. Out of those sides, only Swansea set up defensively.
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What there is a whole thread after the United game complaining that we played anti football against you in both games so get a grip.

Klopp complained about burnley, West Brom a couple of times, Everton game when allardyce defended whole game, Benitez at Newcastle so like I said don’t get facts get in the way of a good story
 
automaticflare said:
Nope it is not better

Smashing city means nothing city set up exactly how you would have wanted them
Anyone who you came up who played like you didn’t want you struggled or lost and Klopp and your fan base complained like you were the inventors of football and the way everyone else played was illegal

You did not improve last season and your fluke cup run is being used to mask it

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story tho

I did say struggled and lost should be struggled or lost
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1 Point less in the league and going all the way to the UCL final is not an improvement? Take your rose-tinted glasses off. A Fluke cup run is being bitter, you guys went out to the 7th placed team in La Liga. You can only beat what's infront of you.
 
Never have I been as optimistic ahead of a season as now. We won’t win the league as City are far too good and I fully expect both you and Chelsea to improve. A good campaign would be a top 4 finish that isn’t cemented on the last day, a cup win and a deep run in the CL.
 
What's funny is if Liverpool had met us we would have knocked them out.
 
Moonred said:
Almost everything will depend on Salah replicating his season. If he doesn’t, all these signings will at best make them competitive.
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Of course, and there's no guarantee he won't. Let's face it, Harry Kane was a "one season wonder" by many people's views, but he's done it for what, 3 seasons consecutively now? Salah is in a system that suits him, but now there are better players around him. I personally see no reason why he won't get 20+ goals next season.

The lower teams in the PL need to tighten up their defences, because if they don't then Salah may just have another field day with those sides. On top of that, they have a competent keeper. I think all they really need now is another quality central defender and they're pretty much set.
 
I do think it's harsh to throw criticism at Liverpool for last season when De Gea pulled out some elite performances to keep Utd in games. The Arsenal away (?) is one game that comes to mind. Put Karius in Utd's goal, De Gea in Liverpool's, Liverpool would have no doubt been challenging or at least been 2nd. Not to forget Liverpool only acquired Van Dijk in January, and he didn't play until a month later. If he had been at Liverpool from the start, it would have made a difference for sure.
 
Sunspear17 said:
I do think it's harsh to throw criticism at Liverpool for last season when De Gea pulled out some elite performances to keep Utd in games. The Arsenal away (?) is one game that comes to mind. Put Karius in Utd's goal, De Gea in Liverpool's, Liverpool would have no doubt been challenging or at least been 2nd. Not to forget Liverpool only acquired Van Dijk in January, and he didn't play until a month later. If he had been at Liverpool from the start, it would have made a difference for sure.
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And whose fault was that? Liverpool fecked things up last Summer and paid the price.

And again Karius was Klopp's signing. He bought a shite keeper and stuck with him and it eventually cost them hugely.

I'm not sure how either of those mean they don't deserve criticism.
 
BullishBull said:
You’re talking a load of old bollocks do you know that?
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He's probably right. Mourinho's football is Klopp's kryptonite the same way you seem to have city's number. A loss and a draw to them in the league, I believe.

Likes of Mane and Salah had no space when you played United, they were nullified completely. Had you played them I think they'd have squeezed through with similar games to those in the league.
 
automaticflare said:
What there is a whole thread after the United game complaining that we played anti football against you in both games so get a grip.

Klopp complained about burnley, West Brom a couple of times, Everton game when allardyce defended whole game, Benitez at Newcastle so like I said don’t get facts get in the way of a good story
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Most could see that United were in control of the game at Old Trafford and deserved the win.

The other games you’re talking about are what, 3-4 draws over the course of a season? We played plenty of sides who set up defensively and broke them down without any issues.

Our defence was garbage up until when we signed Van Dijk. Have a look at the stats and you’ll see that.
 
Klopper76 said:
Most could see that United were in control of the game at Old Trafford and deserved the win.

The other games you’re talking about are what, 3-4 draws over the course of a season? We played plenty of sides who set up defensively and broke them down without any issues.

Our defence was garbage up until when we signed Van Dijk. Have a look at the stats and you’ll see that.
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Excuses excuses facts are there for all to see

How does a defender improve your ability to break down a side

Talking rubbish
 
8 years ago we had cowboy owners nearly bankrupt the club and a rubber faced fraud of a manager.
Our star signings were Joe Cole,Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen.
Forgive me for enjoying our current manager,squad and style of play.
Some silverware this season would be great but I'm not going to cry if it doesn't come.
It's a great time to be a Liverpool fan and I can't wait for the season to start.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
He's probably right. Mourinho's football is Klopp's kryptonite the same way you seem to have city's number. A loss and a draw to them in the league, I believe.

Likes of Mane and Salah had no space when you played United, they were nullified completely. Had you played them I think they'd have squeezed through with similar games to those in the league.
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I disagree, We would score at Anfield on a CL night. If we scored first, they would have to come out of their shell and then it’s basically game over for them. There is a reason United always set up defensively against us, it’s because if they try to go toe to toe with us, they will almost certainly lose.
 
BullishBull said:
I disagree, We would score at Anfield on a CL night. If we scored first, they would have to come out of their shell and then it’s basically game over for them. There is a reason United always set up defensively against us, it’s because if they try to go toe to toe with us, they will almost certainly lose.
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Your record against Utd is horrible.

And you always come to Old Trafford defensively yourselves. One of the only times you haven't was when we had Moyes and were a mess.
 
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automaticflare said:
Excuses excuses facts are there for all to see

How does a defender improve your ability to break down a side

Talking rubbish
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You’re not even reading what I’m saying. If we’re better defensively then we won’t need to score 3/4 goals to win a game.

It’s not that hard to understand.
 
BullishBull said:
I disagree, We would score at Anfield on a CL night. If we scored first, they would have to come out of their shell and then it’s basically game over for them. There is a reason United always set up defensively against us, it’s because if they try to go toe to toe with us, they will almost certainly lose.
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There's no basis for that. United set up defensively because that's Mourinho's way in big games, you aren't unique. They didn't even take the game to Sevilla.

By 'toe to toe' you mean totally exposing your team to the pace of Mane & Salah? It makes total sense to deny as much space to them as possible. Nothing wrong with not playing to your opponents strengths.

You clearly struggle playing against Mourinho's brand of football. Why would you score on a CL night but be unable to even muster a half chance all game at Old Trafford? It's just wishful thinking.

You played 3 teams in Porto, City and Roma who came and attacked you, and suffered badly with the speed you have going forward. They were tactically naive and got punished, the first leg against Roma in particular you tore them apart on the break. Manolas and Fazio looked lost.

A mourinho team doesn't grant you that, thus it becomes a game of tight margins and frustration, where Liverpool don't do very well. When you fail to blow teams away you struggle. IMO if you drew United you go out, I can't prove that but I think the two league games show that you aren't a side who like playing against a mean defence who play direct football.
 
haram said:
What's funny is if Liverpool had met us we would have knocked them out.
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Based on what? Your record against us in Europe? Mourinho's record against us in Europe? Mourinho's record against Klopp in Europe?
 
Klopper76 said:
You’re not even reading what I’m saying. If we’re better defensively then we won’t need to score 3/4 goals to win a game.

It’s not that hard to understand.
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I am you only needed to score one to beat us or Everton (sorry it was west brom wasn’t it??) at home or stoke so a defender doesn’t help you but don’t let facts get in the way of another good story hey

And a defender isn’t going to mean you have a clean sheet every game
 
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