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Liverpool 2018/19
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Cut this nonsense out about having a small squad. Your manager has spent so much in the last couple of years.
Lovern, Matip, moreno, Ox, fabino, Keita , lalana, sturidge , shaquri , just naming a few on top of my head that probably won't get in your first 11. Now you might say they are not good enough as back up, but you are never going to get 22 world class players. We won the fecking treble with a squad much weaker than what you have and if the fans and manager at Utd had the attitude of Liverpool fans of celebrating going out of cup competitions, we would never have witnessed the most memorable year in our clubs history, which will never happen at your club due to your obsession of finishing in the top 4 and playing 'lovely' football.
WTF is this?
You just named four of five players who are literally injured 75% of the time. Regardless of whether you think we should "throw" games in the FA Cup, if you can't acknowledge that City's squad is much deeper and more talented than ours you're biased and in denial.
If it secures the league then it will have been worth it. If it doesn't he looks like a failure again.
There are both positive and negative effects for Liverpool from going out of the FA cup.
Positves: resting players and being fresher for the final part of the season. Liverpool are more reliant on hard working than City, they compensate deficiencies in their midfield with more running.
Negatives: more pressure in the remaining games and less playing time for the reserve players to be/stay match fit and happy.
City will play more games in the cups but mostly with their squad players which will allow the latter to be match fit and content. But going for the quadruple is quite risky too, especially if they don't buy in January. They have only one LB specialist and he is injury prone and only one proper DM and he is 33 y.o.
Positves: resting players and being fresher for the final part of the season. Liverpool are more reliant on hard working than City, they compensate deficiencies in their midfield with more running.
Negatives: more pressure in the remaining games and less playing time for the reserve players to be/stay match fit and happy.
City will play more games in the cups but mostly with their squad players which will allow the latter to be match fit and content. But going for the quadruple is quite risky too, especially if they don't buy in January. They have only one LB specialist and he is injury prone and only one proper DM and he is 33 y.o.
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Literally everything including Beckham > salah and Stam > van dijk in our treble winning squad was streets ahead of this liverpool squad.
United (under Mourinho) and Arsenal shouldn't be the barometer's if somewhere is difficult too go
What a bizarre post
I didn't say team was better , I said squad was.
Our Squad members who were not in first 11.
Sheringham, Ole, Butt , Jesper , Phil Neville , Berg, May, Greening .
How many of them squad players would Liverpool take now ? Maybe 2 at a push
I understand not prioritizing the FA cup this season from a Liverpool point of view. I remember the talk about Leicester and Chelsea being lucky to not be playing European football since they could focus on the league, there definitely is some truth to that. Less competitions does give Liverpool a chance to focus on the league and CL. Of course you want to win every competition, but the players are not machines, and this time of year it's a lot of games. I don't understand why clubs like Leicester who won't go down or reach CL through the league this season don't prioritize it, but with a club currently sitting top of the league without ever winning the Premier League it's understandable.
In hindsight it doesn't matter if a club beat several teams to go far in one of those cup competition once they are knocked out. As an example, if Spurs beat Chelsea they would have beaten Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham and Watford but still be called losers and bottlers because for losing to City in the final. Meanwhile another club could play less games, enjoy a two week camp somewhere and so on. Winning a cup is great, but it's how you perform in the two big competitions that really is the bread and butter every season. I don't particularly enjoy it because I love cup competitions, but that's the current priorities of all premier league clubs, and where the money is. I would love for it to change, but until the rewards from cups change I don't see the perception change, and it will probably remain as something it's nice to win, but not something teams prioritize until you find yourself in the semi final (from a 'big' team pov).
In hindsight it doesn't matter if a club beat several teams to go far in one of those cup competition once they are knocked out. As an example, if Spurs beat Chelsea they would have beaten Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham and Watford but still be called losers and bottlers because for losing to City in the final. Meanwhile another club could play less games, enjoy a two week camp somewhere and so on. Winning a cup is great, but it's how you perform in the two big competitions that really is the bread and butter every season. I don't particularly enjoy it because I love cup competitions, but that's the current priorities of all premier league clubs, and where the money is. I would love for it to change, but until the rewards from cups change I don't see the perception change, and it will probably remain as something it's nice to win, but not something teams prioritize until you find yourself in the semi final (from a 'big' team pov).
Imagine if they had a January like last season.
Ole, Sheringham, Butt and P Neville for sure are way better than their backups.
The "getting knocked out isn't a bad thing since it helps us achieve what we really want" is really nothing more than rationalizing getting knocked out early against a team they proved they could beat a few weeks(?) ago. especially given that their closest opponents have enough resources to compete on all 4 fronts.
'Liverpool B' 
Liverpool fans are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. They did the exact same thing last season and the season before and the season before. Throwing competitions does nothing except reduce momentum, which is half the battle in football.
They've got the next Rio/Terry and the next Keane/Viera in their team. They should make use of that while they have it
So you think the loss yesterday reduced Alisson's confidence for example, who was sipping wine next to the Colosseum in Rome with his missus?Liverpool fans are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. They did the exact same thing last season and the season before and the season before. Throwing competitions does nothing except reduce momentum, which is half the battle in football.
They've got the next Rio/Terry and the next Keane/Viera in their team. They should make use of that while they have it
It really doesn't make much of a difference.
Feck me you've fallen at the first hurdle. Why on earth would any sane person reference Allison for this game who didn't even travel and is a fecking goalkeeper (the most individualistic player on the pitch). How about the players that actually participated. Please next time make your deflections a little less obvious.
Of course clubs like Spurs and Liverpool will justify their losers mentality. What's the point of adding 'depth' when your second team can't do shit in so called b grade tournaments?
I have never seen other big clubs of England doing it - Utd, Chelsea or City? They play to win it all.
Apart from when Utd backed out of the FA cup you mean?
I'm simply providing a counter argument, that giving key players some rest of even a quick holiday break could be beneficial instead of detrimental.
Only 3 of the players that actually participated yesterday feature regularly in our first XI and I doubt they'll be impacted at all by a loss occurred with a bunch of bench warmers and youth players.
If you are talking about 1999-2000, then I literally can't be bothered to respond to that.
Yeah let's just ignore a great example of how your post is utter bollocks then shall we? Ok - back to your post being fact then.
Or when they gave up on Top 4 and went for the Europa League and that's the reason they ended up 6th, well that was their excuse anyway.
So you mean to say if Spurs/Pool tried to play through the FA cup then they are bound to lose the league? Coz league and FA cup matches dont happen at the same time like the club wc back then..
We were forced into it by the FA. SAF even called Tony Blair personally to try to keep us in the FA Cup but the FA and government wanted us to go represent the country in the Club World Cup to boost the 2006 World Cup bid.
I'd really love to know how on earth you managed to get that from my post. Really first class 'plucking nothing out of thin air'.
If you really think hard, you can connect the dots and get the point he is making.
It's from the original post which I responded to. People say its easier to manage the league when not fighting on multiple fronts. I simply stated that thats where the depth factor comes into play and big clubs play for everything.
Going out of the cup in January should not be an excuse for 'prioritzing the league'
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If you mean 1999-2000 United very much wanted to play in it, but were blocked from entering by the FA.
What the feck are you talking about? We didn't give up on top 4 and we didn't field weak line-ups in the second half of that season, did we?
Even if this were true, which it isn't, we at least won the bloody thing. Unlike your lot who binned a league campaign to not win the League Cup and Europa League.
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If you watched the presser you'd know some of the changes made to the lineup were forced by minor injuries. And VvD and front three deserved a rest.
Anyway, some of our backup players are poor and have to be replaced. Moreno will be gone in summer (finally!), Migs should be sold while he still costs something, Sturridge and Origi are not consistent. Keita should step up real soon. Camacho is an RM/RW rather than RB. Lovren... is just Lovren. Gomez should take his place easily once back. We miss Ox...
We need proper backup for CB, RB, LB and LW.
Both goals we conceded were were indiv mistakes. However, Wolves were the better team clearly and deserved to go through. They also play actual football, so I wish them luck in all competitions.
Anyway, some of our backup players are poor and have to be replaced. Moreno will be gone in summer (finally!), Migs should be sold while he still costs something, Sturridge and Origi are not consistent. Keita should step up real soon. Camacho is an RM/RW rather than RB. Lovren... is just Lovren. Gomez should take his place easily once back. We miss Ox...
We need proper backup for CB, RB, LB and LW.
Both goals we conceded were were indiv mistakes. However, Wolves were the better team clearly and deserved to go through. They also play actual football, so I wish them luck in all competitions.
It was ingenious. Just like binning the league in September to concentrate on the FA Cup.
Who binned the league in September for the FA Cup?
I remember United finishing 2nd last season, behind a record breaking City team. I do, however, remember Liverpool finishing 8th in that triumphant season where they nearly won the League Cup and Europa League.
Except we gave some competition until around October/November-ish (not to mention that team had one of, if not the best league campaign in the history of PL as much as I hate to admit) and FA Cup doesn't even start for us until January.
Try harder.
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