I think the Coutinho transfer would derail them.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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imagine Utd selling De Gea. Imagine City selling De Bruyne. Imagine Chelsea selling Hazard. That's the impact this is going to have guys. For what it's worth those 3 clubs wouldnt sell their best players
Oh that's poor. Recycling my post because you've got nothing better. Never mind, we know even when you're down you'll keep posting just to ensure you get the last word in - well go ahead. I know with you this trading of insults will go on for pages because you simply must have the last word otherwise how can you mark this up on that chalkboard in your head? Sad. Knock yourself out. You simply aren't worth it.Except that didn’t happen at all. I saw that post when I clicked on this thread today having not visited it for a while. It tickled me so I replied. You don’t like being called out so threw a hissy fit and started talking about 20/18.
A grown man who spends his life on a rival forum regurgitating club PR is a much more sad and pitiable case. But you have no shame.
for all this saying they will reinvest the 142m (which btw its 105m + 40m in addons), they already spunk 75m on VVD and 60m on keita... thats basically what they got got coutinho and they will also lose Can for free...
What are you on about?
All I did was quote a post of yours from the previous page to pretty harmlessly suggest you’d got it wrong. There was no insult unless you count me accurately reminding you that you frequently seem to call these things wrong.
If you weren’t so defensive you could have a laugh at your own expense. Maybe try taking it with a bit of humour and no one bats an eyelid.
Instead you became extremely defensive, launching into a rant about league titles, inferiority complexes, and sad and pitiable behaviour! Mental.
Statistically Mahrez is not far behind in Coutinho in terms of PL goals/assists despite playing for a defensive counterattacking side, while Coutinho played for a high powered offense. I think Liverpool will be fine, if they get him.
This is bonkers, why sell mid season when we are in a real tough battle for Top 4!?
Madness, can’t see any ready made replacement either - not to mention the knock on effect it could have on the likes of Salah and Mane.
Tough pill to swallow. This sucks, we were building an attractive side, could be downhill from here.
I’m not usually a pessimist but feels like this really could mess us up.
Madness, can’t see any ready made replacement either - not to mention the knock on effect it could have on the likes of Salah and Mane.
Tough pill to swallow. This sucks, we were building an attractive side, could be downhill from here.
I’m not usually a pessimist but feels like this really could mess us up.
This is quite a sad story in general. When he signed the new contract last year there was a global praise and relief. Some nice words were spoken. But it appears Coutinho is a regular mercenary. Pity.
I hope there will be more players like Griezmann, whovalue their club and it's interests, not just their own.
The guy was gone since summer. His behavior was really weird, and he was clearly unhappy during the first half of the season, not celebrating goals and walking with uninterested face. It was a matter of time. But the timing is surely wrong, I supposed he'll hold till the WC. There was little point keeping him since he started behaving, I suspect it affected other players. Plus, it seems he burnt all the bridges this time and would not play anyway if we decided to keep him. So cashing early and looking for a replacement was probably the best thing to do.
Reputation-wise I have a mixed feelings. On one hand, VVD transfer was a statement. Which was swiftly undone by selling Coutinho. We need something else to happen to regain positive image. We'll see. But we definitely seem to get who Klopp wants and make no excuses. Wonder who's now on his mind. Maybe, Lemar (even for summer)?
Anyway, we're not in a bad spot without him. Last year everybody said it's Mane who's driving us forward, this season people say it's Salah. In reality, the team is fairly well balanced in attack, so it will not cause immediate disaster. But we need a creative CM/CAM, that's for sure. We'll have busy summer rebuilding our midfield. But I still think we'll have top4 and a decent CL run this year.
I hope there will be more players like Griezmann, whovalue their club and it's interests, not just their own.
The guy was gone since summer. His behavior was really weird, and he was clearly unhappy during the first half of the season, not celebrating goals and walking with uninterested face. It was a matter of time. But the timing is surely wrong, I supposed he'll hold till the WC. There was little point keeping him since he started behaving, I suspect it affected other players. Plus, it seems he burnt all the bridges this time and would not play anyway if we decided to keep him. So cashing early and looking for a replacement was probably the best thing to do.
Reputation-wise I have a mixed feelings. On one hand, VVD transfer was a statement. Which was swiftly undone by selling Coutinho. We need something else to happen to regain positive image. We'll see. But we definitely seem to get who Klopp wants and make no excuses. Wonder who's now on his mind. Maybe, Lemar (even for summer)?
Anyway, we're not in a bad spot without him. Last year everybody said it's Mane who's driving us forward, this season people say it's Salah. In reality, the team is fairly well balanced in attack, so it will not cause immediate disaster. But we need a creative CM/CAM, that's for sure. We'll have busy summer rebuilding our midfield. But I still think we'll have top4 and a decent CL run this year.
He isn't the best player at Liverpool at the moment (and not in my Top 3 in terms of being 'invaluable to the team'). We'll miss him of course but not as much as you seem to think (without him (W9-D3-L1) with him (W8-D9-L1) this season). The only issue could be a knock to the team's confidence and a lowering of the squad depth - unless we get a suitable replacement (Mahrez, Lemar who whoever else is of that quality).
Could be a blessing in disguise.
It's back.
It's back.
Mahrez isn’t on Coutinho’s plain. Coutinho’s game is not about statistics. He’s comfortably Liverpool’s best and most creative player.
Anything else is just spin.
Anything else is just spin.
He's actually ahead.
I looked at their total PL games, but yeah getting Mahrez for €60-65M would be a great deal. People act like Leicester just stumbled into a PL title. Even in a down year, you still need some bloody brilliant performances to win a league title. Him, Kante and Vardy were those driving forces.
Firmino is easily Liverpool´s most important player. The whole system falls apart without the brain at the top to start pressing intelligently and still have the energy and skill to create spaces and score goals. But Coutinho definitely provides that elite technical ability they need to replace. They need somebody that can thread a needle. That´s not Salah, Mane, Solanke or Firmino´s strength. Lallana comes the closest, but he´s only one guy and still well off form it seems. Mahrez and Lemar fit the description.
As good a player as he is, has he won any trophies for Liverpool? 2-3 good signings (especially a GK) takes them closer than just Coutinho IMO, providing they spend it right. Their recent recruitment has been good though so if I supported them I'd be optimistic.
Mahrez is mostly RW, same as Salah, Mane and sometimes Ox. We need either CAM or LW. Which makes Lemar an ideal candidate.
Lemar is Cup tied for CL. I know it's not like L'pool should aim to win CL, but Lemar is more risky given his form this season, while Mahrez is PL proven and can join the CL squad in place of Coutinho.
I think the scouse narrative since it’s been clear Coutinho is leaving is that Firmino is more important. I don’t think anyone truly buys it and given an ‘either or’ scenario to sell, Firmino would be out the door 99 times out of 100.
Mahrez would be a smart signing but not the same player at all. Coutinho’s strength is creativity from deep and unlocking tight defences. Mahrez is a superb counter-attack player. It would require a change in approach.
Lemar was great last season feeding bullets for Mbappe, but hasn’t hit same heights this year. If they were going to to raid Ligue 1 they should go for Nabil Fekir.
I agree with most of that but it wasn't that long ago on here he (coutinho) was called a one trick pony by many non LFC fans. I do think if it was Mahrez (Lemar seems more likely atm) Klopp could improve him, and whilst he may never reach Coutinho's level he could still be a good addition. Leicester will want a fortune from us now they know we're getting £145m.
Imagine Manchester United selling Ronaldo.. and Beckham before that. Plus letting Tevez go to City. That would be hilarious, wouldn't it?
For what it's worth.. We don't want to sell, but when Barca and Real Madrid come calling, nearly all players want to go there, and if the club and the player wants it badly enough, they will eventually go. That goes for Liverpool, as well as Manchester United, don't you agree?
Those three clubs are significantly wealthier than Pool and offer the sort of wages that keep players happy.
Yeah you should have signed a replacement before selling him, unless a deal is already done.
The Coutinho deal was probably done in the summer. So got to assume LFC worked on something for this window.
Its more than just wages taking players to those clubs.
Not really.
Beckham was sold willingly after falling out of favour with Fergie. Tevez we clearly chose not to buy him despite having the option. Stupid examples.
Ronaldo left having won every single medal possible to win. It clearly wasn’t a success thing for him. It was to fulfill his own childhood dream.
Completely different to a player leaving Liverpool having won zero trophies and needing success elsewhere.
The conspiracy theory doing the rounds atm is that we bought Keita and VVD knowing Coutinho was going and the cost would be covered.
Its mostly wages. Those clubs don't sign the best players from lessor prestigious clubs who are as wealthy as them for a reason.
Nah I truly believe that. Look at the way Liverpool play, when Coutinho was out and then compare it to the games Firmino sits out (which are as few as Klopp can afford). There are few forwards that combine workrate/fitness, intelligence, passing skills and finishing at the level Firmino does. All is essential to Klopp´s style of play. A press is like an orchestra. If the conductor sucks, it won´t work.
Coutinho is very crucial to Liverpool´s game, and they definitely need more technical players in general, who have the ball glued to their feet. I think the general problem is that Klopp´s style is more suited to players with slight techncial weaknesses, who learned to compensate with effort, workrate and speed in their youth, while somebody like Ozil is just not a runner, cause he can pay these brilliant passes from a standstill, so why chase balls. In that sense I agree it´s difficult to replace Coutinho. You need a technical player, that also has a high workrate on him. Although If I had to pick, I´d sacrifice some workrate to get a brilliant footballer first.
I imagine Coutinho would like to win a trophy too.
Players could be paid as much by City, Chelsea, Utd etc - its as much to do with the fact that they will play with the best players in the world and the latin connection as wages.
Hence the best players from those clubs don't ever go anywhere. Its happened once with Ronaldo out of those clubs and you can't tell me those clubs haven't had any quality in recent times. PSG also aren't going around hemorrhaging talent. Neither does Bayern for that matter. What all those clubs have in common is the ability to pay top wages whenever they want.
Aguero and Silva are Latin but there's been practically no chance of signing them by any of the big Spanish clubs. Madrid tried to sign Ribery, failed. Barca tried to sign T.Silva, failed. Barca tried to sign Verratti, failed.
Selling your best player mid-season is absolute folly.. I can't see any outcome where we don't come out worse off.
For once I agree with you. Firmino is crucial for 'the system' but Coutinho was our stand out best.
For once I agree with you. Firmino is crucial for 'the system' but Coutinho was our stand out best.
Great money but could we really not hold on til the summer? Crap this.
Should have sold in the summer and got Van Dyke then. Bad bad business by Liverpool
No one is winning the Premiership this season other than City. Clubs need to gear up for next season and how to beat them and it even starts now
Considering the prices for the players with the required quality in todays market I think it will be a tough ask for anyone. City did their shopping at just the right time.
Chelsea won't spend big anymore, United have their limitations, Liverpool certainly has limitations.
Your theory would make sense if players like Alonso, Masch, Suarez and now Coutinho had gone to other big clubs aside from Barca or Real but they didn't. The only players leaving us in recent times who support your theory would be Sterling and Torres - but lets face it Torres was a crock at the time and Sterling was/is nowhere near the level of the others and also isn't Spanish or South American.
Of course there are outliers such as Silva, Aguero etc, there always will be. But I think it's hard to deny the pull that Barca and Real have for most top players of Spanish or South American origin and couple that with the chance to play with Messi, Ronaldo etc and its hard to resist. Let me ask you this - if City had offered the same or even more, than Barca do you think Coutinho would have chosen them?
with salah's form I don't think they'll be hindered too much
Clubs will have to unearth talent in their own academies or get lucky in the market but I agree that in this crazy market, it'll be difficult to make enough moves to significantly improve a squad - unless you're PSG
Chelsea keep offering Hazard "record-breaking" wages....which are less than what real madrid pay to Kroos and Sergio Ramos
Coutinho isn't going to Barcelona to earn less...
They play for Liverpool and none are going to miss out on a chance to maximise their earnings in order to stay there. Hence the Torres deal was possible, and he wasn't just Latin, he was Spanish.
Do you honestly believe if those players played for City, us or Chelsea they would have left? We're at the top of the financial chain. Our keeper wanted to leave, we made him the best payed in his position in the world and now there is not a murmur from him about leaving. We're about to improve his contract even more.
I wouldn't know, but given between city and Barca all things are equal in terms of wages chances are he'd go there. What I am saying is getting players out of clubs that are part of the financial elite is highly implausible.
Do you think Madrid are harbouring thoughts of signing KDB? How would they even pull that off? What about them prizing Hazard out of Chelsea who's clearly about to be the highest paid player in the league. Salah on the other hand will be on the market if he continues this form.
They have a huge pull but so do all the other clubs that have the financial muscle to pay ludicrous wages as seen by the fact that those teams do not make it a habit of losing their best players. Even when they do, its normally cause of other reasons rather than footballing ones I.e Costa, Becks