Why is it almost certain ? In fact it's probably the exact opposite. We were in for both VVD and Keita before Barca had even made their interest in Coutinho known last Summer and those (+Oxlade) match up well with the purported 150m + sales we had as out budget. For next Summer (or this January) there is not the £149m Coutinho fee + PL 2017/18 + CL 2017/18. I don't think we are short of cash and I don't think we have used the Coutinho money for anything (especially since all those deals were done before Coutinho's sale).
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I think Aubameyang is 28 or 29 right ? I wouldn't want to be paying £75m for a striker of that age. Lemar is less of a risk, he's 22 yo and clearly extremely talented, his downturn this year is no surprise considering his team were gutted over the Summer ! Priorities are a replacement ST for Sturridge, a new CM is a must (quite apart from Keita) and a GK. I'm not including a replacement for Coutinho goes without saying.
28. Still four or five good years ahead of him.
So what do you think you’ll have available to spend? Transfer budget and wages on offer?
I think the trouble you have is that if you had a feck tonne this summer it wouldn’t matter too much as you still won’t be able to attract elite players that break you into the company your club should be rubbing shoulders with. You’re a stepping stone club now and it will take a hell of a push to get above that.
That’s not me being a dick head rag, that’s just real talk.
Clyne has a back injury and a pretty serious one at that.
Biggest selling club in the league, Coutinho, Suarez, Sterling, Mascherano, Xavi Alonso heck even Torres and Arbeloa, why is nobody calling them out on this? All I see is praise for them.
Any other club would be called out on this, ridiculous.
Any other club would be called out on this, ridiculous.
It's really difficult to say what the budget will be but I doubt under £150m if that is what we had last season then no reason to expect it would be lower this with CL money (none last season of course) and the balance of the Coutinho cash. That is excluding anything spent in this window.
It's a valid question but define elite. Could we attract the top players if they are already at a top club ? No, not unless they are already on the way down. Can we attract people who are either just below that top level or will be top players in a year or two (e.g. Lemar at 22 or Mahrez at 26) and are coming from the likes of say Dortmund, Atletici, Inter or Monaco ? I'd say definitely yes, part of that to do with the manager (a lot of players would be keen to play under him), partly the club and partly the wages (we were offering Coutinho £200k) and from the average we pay our players the report issued recently showed that RM & Barca were top with United and City about £10k a week behind them on average per player and we were about £20k a week on average behind United/City (with Arsenal and Chelsea in between us both). It's not a massive difference overall.
Ha ha . It's been rumoured for while that whilst Clyne does have a back issue he also has a drug issue so maybe he's undergoing rehab at the same time.Your point being? It's pain relief?
Perhaps it could be because player movements is part of the game and transfers are inevitable, and liverpool deserve Praise for making 100 millions profit on a player bought for peanuts after 5 years of great service for the club. Our attack will still be explosive without coutinho just watch and see.
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What's that Firmino racism stuff about?
Yes, Liverpool deserve massive praise because those profits is what football is all about. I mean who cares about winning anything, right?
I'm not sure you've actually made any money though when you consider you've spent well over 200m already?
You didn’t criticise them. You called them a circus. That’s a rant without substance, not criticism. You alluded that they should care about the implication to the prem when they pay 300k for a defender. Do we give a shit when we pay Fellaini 150k which is double what players double the quality get paid in Italy or Holland for example. No. Actually, the fees they pay have resulted in them attracting the best players in the world and achieving great feats as a result. But I yeah I guess that makes them a circus.
It’s a forum. When you write an opinion that seems nonsensical, prepare to be challenged. Nothing to do with your right to have that opinion or not. It’s quite simple actually.
Would be hilarious if they ended up claiming AOC was the replacement, or if they got Lanzini for £70m.
AOC, VVD and Keita alone equal around £170m..
AOC, VVD and Keita alone equal around £170m..
Lol @ anyone falling for that Clyne thing
On the up side for Liverpool...
I just realized that Coutinho is all set to be the first player since 1990 to play for Liverpool and win a League title in the same season!
I just realized that Coutinho is all set to be the first player since 1990 to play for Liverpool and win a League title in the same season!
You must be the 50th person to post that on Redcafe in the last 24 hours.
I am convinced they have already spent the Coutinho money. VVD and Keita.
For that reason i do not think theyll sign another "star" this window
For that reason i do not think theyll sign another "star" this window
We were in for both of those players in the summer while not selling Coutinho. Once it looked possible that he might have gone we were supposedly in for Lemar. So who knows what might happen
I reckon if you had of got VVd in summer coutinho would have been sold
We will see but I tend to agree money has been spent bar for about 30m or so which still should be about enough for mahrez who still think would be a good signing for any of the top 6
Touché
For now it seems our main target is Lemar, but he's not available in January. Klopp seems to be rather persistent with his targets, as shown with Keita and VvD, so if we don't get him this window we will wait. This, however, does not mean no one will come. There's no direct replacement for Coutinho on the market, so the solution will likely involve multiple players and/or formation change. And we still have weak lines in our squad.
Other rumors circulating around involve Ndidi and Alisson. Ndidi is interesting, but he'll not get into the starting XI right away. Alisson is unlikely because I'm not sure Roma will sell. Plus I don't know who'd fancy buying Mignolet now.
Other rumors circulating around involve Ndidi and Alisson. Ndidi is interesting, but he'll not get into the starting XI right away. Alisson is unlikely because I'm not sure Roma will sell. Plus I don't know who'd fancy buying Mignolet now.
Johnny fecking Evans could be back playing CL football. And Moyes is back managing. It's a small circle of idiots in the PL. Someone will take Mignolet. As crazy as it sounds.
And Moyes is back managing. It's a small circle of idiots in the PL. Someone will take Mignolet. As crazy as it sounds.£27m of those add-ons is based on appearances + CL qualification, and therefore virtually almost guaranteed, so you can safely assume they are getting £133m of that Coutinho deal.
The total they spent on Van Dijk and Keita is around £129m. This isn't taking in to account they have probably spent below their means for a number of seasons, and they also have plenty of deadwood they can try and offload.
I'm confident they have more money to spent, how much will probably depend on how many sales they can muster. They should certainly have enough to be able to afford Lemar, or possibly Mahrez + a GK.
The problem is there is a chance you guys can come out worse by replacing Mignolet with even worse GK. Not like it didn't happen.Johnny fecking Evans could be back playing CL football.
It's not just transfer money. Reports published last year showed Liverpool spent 69% of the revenue on wages and that's an unhealthy situation to be in. With new TV deal and all obviously there will be increase in revenue, so will be the wages of existing players with champions league and yearly rise.
Even this season they have lost Coutinho and will lose Can, both combined earned around 200K (apparently) so with VVD deal alone they have used up that wage budget. Then they have added players like Ox who were offered good deals elsewhere and earns more than 150K per week.
It will be interesting to see the wage to revenue ratio this year with CL football. Last published one didn't look good for Liverpool.
If they have the entirety of that money to spend on new players, and if it's spent very well on two, they could end up a decent force to be fair. That's two big ifs though.
Larger stadium and champions league money will help a lot there this season the concern will come if they miss out next year.
Klopp's doing well. The profile of most of his signings - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Keita, VVD, Mahrez/Lemar (if they go through) - is both very good and completely in line with his vision/tactical set up.
I just hope his team continues to be defensively poor because that aside they're taking strides in the right direction.
I just hope his team continues to be defensively poor because that aside they're taking strides in the right direction.
Lemar is certainly no replacement for Coutinho.
A true small club mentality, to sell a player for €150 million and then downgrade by taking players from Leicester City and Southampton. How do you ever expect to progress?
Let me say that again... you have €150 million. You have freed up around 300k in wages with the sale of Coutinho and probably Sturridge and Ings aswell so why on earth are they not going out for an “upgrade” like Sanchez or Griezmann or even Cavani or Aubameyang? What’s their excuse this time?
Champions League football - Check
Big Transfer budget - Check
Big Wage Budget - Check
“Top” manager - Check
I’m beginning to think no top “established” player wants to join them.... It’s as simple as that. Liverpool are a selling club, a stepping stone and they will never compete with the elite teams around the world if they’re constantly bending over and selling their best players.
The cycle will just keep on repeating.
A true small club mentality, to sell a player for €150 million and then downgrade by taking players from Leicester City and Southampton. How do you ever expect to progress?
Let me say that again... you have €150 million. You have freed up around 300k in wages with the sale of Coutinho and probably Sturridge and Ings aswell so why on earth are they not going out for an “upgrade” like Sanchez or Griezmann or even Cavani or Aubameyang? What’s their excuse this time?
Champions League football - Check
Big Transfer budget - Check
Big Wage Budget - Check
“Top” manager - Check
I’m beginning to think no top “established” player wants to join them.... It’s as simple as that. Liverpool are a selling club, a stepping stone and they will never compete with the elite teams around the world if they’re constantly bending over and selling their best players.
The cycle will just keep on repeating.
Breathe a little bit buddy
I don't think there is replacing Coutinho. Klopp likes players that can play multiple positions and adapt to his playing style. Lamar would fit that. Would you say the same about Manchester United if they went for Mahrez (Leicester)? Manchester City wanted VvD (Southampton). Some on on this board have also mentioned bringing back Evans from West Brom. Does that make Man Utd's mentality that of a small club? Man City is also after Evans right? Small club mentality?
Look at what we had a couple of years ago and what we have now. Apart from Defense, I think we have a better squad than say two years ago. I would call that progress.
What excuse would you give if Griezmann opts to go to Barcelona instead of signing from Man Utd? You guys can offer a lot of wages as well right? And the players you have mentioned: Sanchez - Will go to Man City; Griezmann - Barcelona; Aubameyang - Extended his contract recently. A lot of the top established players are that - established and are already playing for a top paying club. Unless they are surplus to the club's requirements, they will not leave.
I don't understand why it's such a big deal about selling a player that came in for less than 10 million, gave 5 years to the club and wanted to leave when Barca came calling. Let's face it - when RM and Barca come calling for any South American footballer, they end up getting their heads turned. Did Manchester United turn into a selling club when Ronaldo left for RM? Bekham going to RM?
You're making a lot of conclusions based on some twitter rumors.
Ha ha - that brought a smile even to my face
the story is basically
Holgate pushes firmino into the stands
firmino gets up and calls him a son of a bitch in portugese
Holgate thinks he's been racially abused
Remind me how ferguson replaced Ronaldo again...