Liverpool - 2017/18

There's quite a bit of interesting information in this piece from Paul Joyce (Liverpool ITK) :


There is an irony that among Jürgen Klopp’s first public comments on the signing of Virgil van Dijk was a plea for Liverpool supporters to forget the price tag of almost £75 million, making him the most expensive defender in the world.

After all, that was the same advice Anfield’s powerbrokers have been offering Klopp throughout the lengthy, at times complex, pursuit of the centre back. This is not normally how the Liverpool manager likes to do business. Throughout Klopp’s managerial career he has sided with nurture over nature, the idea that developing talent can be as useful as going out and buying ready-made solutions.

The deal for Van Dijk, 26, is new ground for Liverpool, obliterating their transfer record, which stood at the £36.9 million paid for Mohamed Salah in the summer (the £55 million Naby Keïta does not arrive from RB Leipzig until July 1), but the size of the transfer also represents new territory for Klopp.

There were occasions during the pursuit of Van Dijk when Mike Gordon, the president of Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), and Michael Edwards, the sporting director, sought to offer context to allay any lingering misgivings Klopp had that they were being asked to pay too much.

The 6ft 4in Van Dijk has always been Klopp’s No 1 defensive target, and his delight at finally landing the player was clear around Melwood yesterday. There have never been any doubts about the quality of the player.

Simply, the adjustment to the money-obsessed world of the Premier League has not always been an easy one for the man at the helm, whose biggest outlay at Borussia Dortmund was the €27.5 million (about £24.5 million) paid to prise Henrikh Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar Donetsk in 2013.

“I can imagine people will think, ‘Wow, what a number it is,’ but for me it is not really interesting,” Klopp said. “We do not make the price, the market makes the price and the first thing all Liverpool supporters should forget quite soon is the price. We only talk about the player and what he brings — his qualities, mentality and character.”

At first glance the figure — £70 million guaranteed and £4 million in add-ons — that has brought Van Dijk to Anfield feels outlandish.

Yet realism needs to be applied. Van Dijk had four and a half years left on his deal at Southampton, whose position was further strengthened by the knowledge he was wanted by Chelsea as far back as January, while Manchester City were especially keen, having recently contacted officials at St Mary’s, and Arsenal remained in the background.

Supply and demand also raised the price. Pep Guardiola, the City manager, had targeted Aymeric Laporte when he took over and the Athletic Bilbao defender had a £58 million buyout clause to be settled in one payment. Antonio Conte tried to sign Kalidou Koulibaly upon arrival at Chelsea, but Napoli rebuffed a £58 million bid.

Gordon will have received the background information on Van Dijk — as well as the price of the available alternatives — which he relayed to the rest of FSG, including John W Henry, the principal owner, and Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman.

Of course, the crucial factor in the signing of Van Dijk was how Liverpool repaired the relationship with Southampton after June’s spat when they were accused of tapping up the player.

It was Gordon who, having told Liverpool to publicly pull out of the race for fear of a Premier League charge, started building bridges with Ralph Krueger, the Southampton chairman.

Liverpool did not bid officially during the summer, but reiterated they would pay whatever it took if Southampton were prepared to sell. That pledge was in place on the final day of the August transfer window. A phone call from St Mary’s would have set the ball rolling.

In recent weeks, contact was re-established, with Liverpool insistent that Van Dijk was their No 1 choice but that they would buy a defender next month regardless and had other targets. The back-up plan was not needed.

By Christmas, Van Dijk’s performances did not warrant a place in Mauricio Pellegrino’s line-up, while Southampton’s tailspin meant hanging on to a £70 million player who was no longer much of an asset did not make sense. Not when £70 million — if spent correctly next month — could steady fortunes in the face of a possible fraught fight for Premier League survival. Southampton’s decision belatedly to name a price was an invitation to the negotiating table that Liverpool were not about to pass up. They quickly showed the colour of their money.

Andy Massey, the Liverpool club doctor, oversaw the medical on Wednesday at Nuffield Hospital in Bournemouth. It was then that Klopp finally had his man and, the more he reflects on the deal, the surer he is that Van Dijk will not leave Liverpool short-changed.
 
It's laughable how many articles are posted to justify 75 Million on a CB when all these were moaning about big prices paid for Pogba, Stones and others.
 
Fun Fact :

Celtic will receive 10% of the fee, which turns out to be double the prize money they got for winning the league
 
It's laughable how many articles are posted to justify 75 Million on a CB when all these were moaning about big prices paid for Pogba, Stones and others.
Do you not expect every media outlet and commentator under the sun to comment on what is likely the largest transfer (or the very least, most contentious) transfer of January ? That's naive.
 
Do you not expect every media outlet and commentator under the sun to comment on what is likely the largest transfer (or the very least, most contentious) transfer of January ? That's naive.

I don't expect every alternate article about how Klopp had to pay big money and how he is doing against his wishes.

He paid what he did to sign his first choice CB, that's it. I don't understand why people can't wait to write articles explaining why Klopp had no choice but to do it and how evil transfer market is forcing his hand.
 
I don't expect every alternate article about how Klopp had to pay big money and how he is doing against his wishes.

He paid what he did to sign his first choice CB, that's it. I don't understand why people can't wait to write articles explaining why Klopp had no choice but to do it and how evil transfer market is forcing his hand.
If they didn't their viewers would go elsewhere. It's not hard to understand.
 
There's quite a bit of interesting information in this piece from Paul Joyce (Liverpool ITK) :


There is an irony that among Jürgen Klopp’s first public comments on the signing of Virgil van Dijk was a plea for Liverpool supporters to forget the price tag of almost £75 million, making him the most expensive defender in the world.

After all, that was the same advice Anfield’s powerbrokers have been offering Klopp throughout the lengthy, at times complex, pursuit of the centre back. This is not normally how the Liverpool manager likes to do business. Throughout Klopp’s managerial career he has sided with nurture over nature, the idea that developing talent can be as useful as going out and buying ready-made solutions.

The deal for Van Dijk, 26, is new ground for Liverpool, obliterating their transfer record, which stood at the £36.9 million paid for Mohamed Salah in the summer (the £55 million Naby Keïta does not arrive from RB Leipzig until July 1), but the size of the transfer also represents new territory for Klopp.

There were occasions during the pursuit of Van Dijk when Mike Gordon, the president of Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), and Michael Edwards, the sporting director, sought to offer context to allay any lingering misgivings Klopp had that they were being asked to pay too much.

The 6ft 4in Van Dijk has always been Klopp’s No 1 defensive target, and his delight at finally landing the player was clear around Melwood yesterday. There have never been any doubts about the quality of the player.

Simply, the adjustment to the money-obsessed world of the Premier League has not always been an easy one for the man at the helm, whose biggest outlay at Borussia Dortmund was the €27.5 million (about £24.5 million) paid to prise Henrikh Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar Donetsk in 2013.

“I can imagine people will think, ‘Wow, what a number it is,’ but for me it is not really interesting,” Klopp said. “We do not make the price, the market makes the price and the first thing all Liverpool supporters should forget quite soon is the price. We only talk about the player and what he brings — his qualities, mentality and character.”

At first glance the figure — £70 million guaranteed and £4 million in add-ons — that has brought Van Dijk to Anfield feels outlandish.

Yet realism needs to be applied. Van Dijk had four and a half years left on his deal at Southampton, whose position was further strengthened by the knowledge he was wanted by Chelsea as far back as January, while Manchester City were especially keen, having recently contacted officials at St Mary’s, and Arsenal remained in the background.

Supply and demand also raised the price. Pep Guardiola, the City manager, had targeted Aymeric Laporte when he took over and the Athletic Bilbao defender had a £58 million buyout clause to be settled in one payment. Antonio Conte tried to sign Kalidou Koulibaly upon arrival at Chelsea, but Napoli rebuffed a £58 million bid.

Gordon will have received the background information on Van Dijk — as well as the price of the available alternatives — which he relayed to the rest of FSG, including John W Henry, the principal owner, and Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman.

Of course, the crucial factor in the signing of Van Dijk was how Liverpool repaired the relationship with Southampton after June’s spat when they were accused of tapping up the player.

It was Gordon who, having told Liverpool to publicly pull out of the race for fear of a Premier League charge, started building bridges with Ralph Krueger, the Southampton chairman.

Liverpool did not bid officially during the summer, but reiterated they would pay whatever it took if Southampton were prepared to sell. That pledge was in place on the final day of the August transfer window. A phone call from St Mary’s would have set the ball rolling.

In recent weeks, contact was re-established, with Liverpool insistent that Van Dijk was their No 1 choice but that they would buy a defender next month regardless and had other targets. The back-up plan was not needed.

By Christmas, Van Dijk’s performances did not warrant a place in Mauricio Pellegrino’s line-up, while Southampton’s tailspin meant hanging on to a £70 million player who was no longer much of an asset did not make sense. Not when £70 million — if spent correctly next month — could steady fortunes in the face of a possible fraught fight for Premier League survival. Southampton’s decision belatedly to name a price was an invitation to the negotiating table that Liverpool were not about to pass up. They quickly showed the colour of their money.

Andy Massey, the Liverpool club doctor, oversaw the medical on Wednesday at Nuffield Hospital in Bournemouth. It was then that Klopp finally had his man and, the more he reflects on the deal, the surer he is that Van Dijk will not leave Liverpool short-changed.

Reads like propaganda.
 
If they didn't their viewers would go elsewhere. It's not hard to understand.

I don't think you got the point. You can write 100s of articles without putting a big spin on everything.

Klopp paid big fee, it's not a big deal but these pathetic excuses are embarrassing.
 
I don't expect every alternate article about how Klopp had to pay big money and how he is doing against his wishes.

He paid what he did to sign his first choice CB, that's it. I don't understand why people can't wait to write articles explaining why Klopp had no choice but to do it and how evil transfer market is forcing his hand.

Yeah, like Klopp is too pure a football man to accept paying 70 million. It's hilarious. He also spent £40 million on chamberlain and 60 million on Keita. He doesn't give a feck. He's a hypocrite and should shut his mouth about our transfers.
 
Yeah, like Klopp is too pure a football man to accept paying 70 million. It's hilarious. He also spent £40 million on chamberlain and 60 million on Keita. He doesn't give a feck. He's a hypocrite and should shut his mouth about our transfers.

Exactly.
 
Reads like propaganda.

Yeah, Klopp believes in nurturing than buying but then went and signed almost a first 11,

Karius

RB ---- Matip---- VVD-----Robertson

Wijnaldum OX Keita

Salah Mane

All this in just 2 summer windows. It's a completely new first 11 from when he took over, only Coutinho and Firminho starts regularly. Now Lovern starts but won't anymore.
 
Yeah, Klopp believes in nurturing than buying but then went and signed almost a first 11,

Karius

RB ---- Matip---- VVD-----Robertson

Wijnaldum OX Keita

Salah Mane

All this in just 2 summer windows. It's a completely new first 11 from when he took over, only Coutinho and Firminho starts regularly. Now Lovern starts but won't anymore.
And you clearly don't understand how the term 'nurturing' is applied either (hint: it doesn't mean 'home-grown'). This is getting embarrassing for you.
 
And you clearly don't understand how the term 'nurturing' is applied either (hint: it doesn't mean 'home-grown'). This is getting embarrassing for you.

Dude, take your head out of the sand. Signing completely first 11 and talk about nurturing is laughable as he isn't signings some teenagers. All of them are at right age to contribute directly. Yeah, it's embarrassing posts even by your lower standards.

Only Poch can say he believes in nurturing going by his signings and his work.
 
There's quite a bit of interesting information in this piece from Paul Joyce (Liverpool ITK) :


There is an irony that among Jürgen Klopp’s first public comments on the signing of Virgil van Dijk was a plea for Liverpool supporters to forget the price tag of almost £75 million, making him the most expensive defender in the world.

After all, that was the same advice Anfield’s powerbrokers have been offering Klopp throughout the lengthy, at times complex, pursuit of the centre back. This is not normally how the Liverpool manager likes to do business. Throughout Klopp’s managerial career he has sided with nurture over nature, the idea that developing talent can be as useful as going out and buying ready-made solutions.

The deal for Van Dijk, 26, is new ground for Liverpool, obliterating their transfer record, which stood at the £36.9 million paid for Mohamed Salah in the summer (the £55 million Naby Keïta does not arrive from RB Leipzig until July 1), but the size of the transfer also represents new territory for Klopp.

There were occasions during the pursuit of Van Dijk when Mike Gordon, the president of Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), and Michael Edwards, the sporting director, sought to offer context to allay any lingering misgivings Klopp had that they were being asked to pay too much.

The 6ft 4in Van Dijk has always been Klopp’s No 1 defensive target, and his delight at finally landing the player was clear around Melwood yesterday. There have never been any doubts about the quality of the player.

Simply, the adjustment to the money-obsessed world of the Premier League has not always been an easy one for the man at the helm, whose biggest outlay at Borussia Dortmund was the €27.5 million (about £24.5 million) paid to prise Henrikh Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar Donetsk in 2013.

“I can imagine people will think, ‘Wow, what a number it is,’ but for me it is not really interesting,” Klopp said. “We do not make the price, the market makes the price and the first thing all Liverpool supporters should forget quite soon is the price. We only talk about the player and what he brings — his qualities, mentality and character.”

At first glance the figure — £70 million guaranteed and £4 million in add-ons — that has brought Van Dijk to Anfield feels outlandish.

Yet realism needs to be applied. Van Dijk had four and a half years left on his deal at Southampton, whose position was further strengthened by the knowledge he was wanted by Chelsea as far back as January, while Manchester City were especially keen, having recently contacted officials at St Mary’s, and Arsenal remained in the background.

Supply and demand also raised the price. Pep Guardiola, the City manager, had targeted Aymeric Laporte when he took over and the Athletic Bilbao defender had a £58 million buyout clause to be settled in one payment. Antonio Conte tried to sign Kalidou Koulibaly upon arrival at Chelsea, but Napoli rebuffed a £58 million bid.

Gordon will have received the background information on Van Dijk — as well as the price of the available alternatives — which he relayed to the rest of FSG, including John W Henry, the principal owner, and Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman.

Of course, the crucial factor in the signing of Van Dijk was how Liverpool repaired the relationship with Southampton after June’s spat when they were accused of tapping up the player.

It was Gordon who, having told Liverpool to publicly pull out of the race for fear of a Premier League charge, started building bridges with Ralph Krueger, the Southampton chairman.

Liverpool did not bid officially during the summer, but reiterated they would pay whatever it took if Southampton were prepared to sell. That pledge was in place on the final day of the August transfer window. A phone call from St Mary’s would have set the ball rolling.

In recent weeks, contact was re-established, with Liverpool insistent that Van Dijk was their No 1 choice but that they would buy a defender next month regardless and had other targets. The back-up plan was not needed.

By Christmas, Van Dijk’s performances did not warrant a place in Mauricio Pellegrino’s line-up, while Southampton’s tailspin meant hanging on to a £70 million player who was no longer much of an asset did not make sense. Not when £70 million — if spent correctly next month — could steady fortunes in the face of a possible fraught fight for Premier League survival. Southampton’s decision belatedly to name a price was an invitation to the negotiating table that Liverpool were not about to pass up. They quickly showed the colour of their money.

Andy Massey, the Liverpool club doctor, oversaw the medical on Wednesday at Nuffield Hospital in Bournemouth. It was then that Klopp finally had his man and, the more he reflects on the deal, the surer he is that Van Dijk will not leave Liverpool short-changed.
Liverpool finally getting some good PR done. Does the first paragraph mean FSG had told Klopp to forget the price tag and buy whoever he wants to buy?
 
Dude, take your head out of the sand. Signing completely first 11 and talk about nurturing is laughable as he isn't signings some teenagers. All of them are at right age to contribute directly. Yeah, it's embarrassing posts even by your lower standards.

Only Poch can say he believes in nurturing going by his signings and his work.
Last/this season ; Gomez (20), TAA (18), Moreno (22), Woodburn (17), Solanke (20) (and I won't even mention those that haven't worked out yet or didn't work out), these are players that are being/have been carefully nurtured and then introduced to the first team. The average age on our bench for one match last season was 19 yrs old ... say no more.

As far as Poch is concerned, yes undoubtedly the best 'nurturer' as far as the top teams are concerned, but how much of that is/was forced upon him by lack of funds ? And again, don't confuse 'home-grown' with nurturing a term which can be applied to any player brought in at a relatively young age.
 
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Salah was that initially with another £7m in performance related fees. Id imagine he’s going to hit those fees.

I think this is rather up for debate, I've seen reputable sources quoting each of 34, 36, 39 flat, & 36.9 + 7 add-ons.
 
I think this is rather up for debate, I've seen reputable sources quoting each of 34, 36, 39 flat, & 36.9 + 7 add-ons.

There is not a reputable source than Roma website. They have published numbers.
 
There's quite a bit of interesting information in this piece from Paul Joyce (Liverpool ITK) :

There were occasions during the pursuit of Van Dijk when Mike Gordon, the president of Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), and Michael Edwards, the sporting director, sought to offer context to allay any lingering misgivings Klopp had that they were being asked to pay too much...

Supply and demand also raised the price. Pep Guardiola, the City manager, had targeted Aymeric Laporte when he took over and the Athletic Bilbao defender had a £58 million buyout clause to be settled in one payment. Antonio Conte tried to sign Kalidou Koulibaly upon arrival at Chelsea, but Napoli rebuffed a £58 million bid.

What a strange article in general but particularly this part. There is no context apart from that they only wanted one player and approached purchasing that player in an arrogant and non-legal manner.

He talks about two players with huge release clauses these last 2 years, but what about talking about actual signings rather than nonsensical theory? United signed Lindelof and Bailly at £30m each, Chelsea signed Luiz and Rudiger for £30m each, Arsenal signed Mustafi for £35m, Spurs have signed Sanchez for £42m, Everton signed Keane for £25m and Leicester signed McGuire for £17m. Let's not act like no good centre backs were available without spending £75m.

That's eight central defenders that have moved, 7 of them at a fee that's under half of what Liverpool are spending on VVD. Liverpool have paid an astronomical fee, which is absolutely fine, but all that needs to be said is "he's the only player the manager wanted so we spent what we needed to".

From a non-Liverpool point of view it's great because Klopp's obsession with VVD means a £35m overcharge is coming out of their Summer budget and with their best player leaving the less budget to replace him the better.
 
Dude, take your head out of the sand. Signing completely first 11 and talk about nurturing is laughable as he isn't signings some teenagers. All of them are at right age to contribute directly. Yeah, it's embarrassing posts even by your lower standards.

Only Poch can say he believes in nurturing going by his signings and his work.
Bang on the money mate.
 


This is a good little video that really sums up my previous thoughts on Van Dijk.

It's a lot of money, but he brings a mix of qualities that very few CB's in world football do, and one's that are crucial to the way that Liverpool play. He's going to be exposed, that's just the way they're set-up (particularly if they don't bring in a proper DM to play alongside Keita), but for me the attributes he has in terms of his physicality, pace, 1v1 defending, composure show that he can deal with this more often than a lot of players.

He's also absolutely dominant in the air, can bring the ball forward and help in the transition from defence to attack, play accurate forward passes, instantly improve their ability to both defend and attack from set-pieces and bring additional leadership qualities to a squad lacking in this department.
 
Coutinho, Can , both leaving. Wjinaldum is never going to be anything better than a squad player. The caf would hate him if he was at Utd. Milner? Ok. Don't know if you're even being serious now.


Yup I had to laugh at this post too
Liverpool midfield is pish
Going forward with high press it works well but without the ball terrible especially in turnover of possession terrible
Also must be one of the most wasteful attacks in football although they have enough shots per game to make up a few goals.
Salah is having a freak season, form is unsustainable
As long as Klopp is there, not worried.
 
Sky Sports saying they've got to be winning trophies now they're spending that kind of cash on a defender.

Klopp can't be 'plucky tracksuit coach' anymore. He needs to win silverware and soon, otherwise the knives will be out like they were for Pep and Jose last season.
 
Amazing that VVD has gone for 75 million. He is no better than Bailey or Jones. Been pretty awful for Southampton this season.
 
Sky Sports saying they've got to be winning trophies now they're spending that kind of cash on a defender.

Klopp can't be 'plucky tracksuit coach' anymore. He needs to win silverware and soon, otherwise the knives will be out like they were for Pep and Jose last season.

This is true.

The money Liverpool have spent in the last 11 years and all for one League Cup. It's incredibly poor. Klopp will be under pressure now, or he should be anyway.
 
I know this thread is about 2017/18 but next season really could be their season.
 
I'm not a bitter fan, i enjoy watching good football when i see it and for me Liverpool are the most lethal attacking team in the Premier League, even better than City, I've really enjoyed watching them, especially last couple months.

Obviously their weakness has been defense but with VVD coming in, available for the Champions League, i fancy Liverpool to turn a lot of teams over in the Champions League this season and they are my dark horses to win the whole thing, i think they have a better chance than us put it that way.

I think they'd turn Barcelona over should they come up against them, PSG/City could be a lot tougher but can't wait for the City/Liverpool game again in the Premier League in a few weeks, Liverpool have improved a lot since the 1st game.
 
I understand you want to see Klopp eat his words here.. He has certainly backed down from his earlier statements regarding fees for players, and I for one hope, that he stops talking about how other clubs handle their bussines.

But besides that, I don't get the outrage regarding the price paid for van Dijk. Yes.. It is a lot of money, but if Liverpool can afford it, so what.. Who cares how they spend their money? Or how Manchester United or City spend theirs.

What is important, is the team on the field, nothing else.. The rest is up to the accountants.
 
There's quite a bit of interesting information in this piece from Paul Joyce (Liverpool ITK) :


There is an irony that among Jürgen Klopp’s first public comments on the signing of Virgil van Dijk was a plea for Liverpool supporters to forget the price tag of almost £75 million, making him the most expensive defender in the world.

After all, that was the same advice Anfield’s powerbrokers have been offering Klopp throughout the lengthy, at times complex, pursuit of the centre back. This is not normally how the Liverpool manager likes to do business. Throughout Klopp’s managerial career he has sided with nurture over nature, the idea that developing talent can be as useful as going out and buying ready-made solutions.

The deal for Van Dijk, 26, is new ground for Liverpool, obliterating their transfer record, which stood at the £36.9 million paid for Mohamed Salah in the summer (the £55 million Naby Keïta does not arrive from RB Leipzig until July 1), but the size of the transfer also represents new territory for Klopp.

There were occasions during the pursuit of Van Dijk when Mike Gordon, the president of Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), and Michael Edwards, the sporting director, sought to offer context to allay any lingering misgivings Klopp had that they were being asked to pay too much.

The 6ft 4in Van Dijk has always been Klopp’s No 1 defensive target, and his delight at finally landing the player was clear around Melwood yesterday. There have never been any doubts about the quality of the player.

Simply, the adjustment to the money-obsessed world of the Premier League has not always been an easy one for the man at the helm, whose biggest outlay at Borussia Dortmund was the €27.5 million (about £24.5 million) paid to prise Henrikh Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar Donetsk in 2013.

“I can imagine people will think, ‘Wow, what a number it is,’ but for me it is not really interesting,” Klopp said. “We do not make the price, the market makes the price and the first thing all Liverpool supporters should forget quite soon is the price. We only talk about the player and what he brings — his qualities, mentality and character.”

At first glance the figure — £70 million guaranteed and £4 million in add-ons — that has brought Van Dijk to Anfield feels outlandish.

Yet realism needs to be applied. Van Dijk had four and a half years left on his deal at Southampton, whose position was further strengthened by the knowledge he was wanted by Chelsea as far back as January, while Manchester City were especially keen, having recently contacted officials at St Mary’s, and Arsenal remained in the background.

Supply and demand also raised the price. Pep Guardiola, the City manager, had targeted Aymeric Laporte when he took over and the Athletic Bilbao defender had a £58 million buyout clause to be settled in one payment. Antonio Conte tried to sign Kalidou Koulibaly upon arrival at Chelsea, but Napoli rebuffed a £58 million bid.

Gordon will have received the background information on Van Dijk — as well as the price of the available alternatives — which he relayed to the rest of FSG, including John W Henry, the principal owner, and Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman.

Of course, the crucial factor in the signing of Van Dijk was how Liverpool repaired the relationship with Southampton after June’s spat when they were accused of tapping up the player.

It was Gordon who, having told Liverpool to publicly pull out of the race for fear of a Premier League charge, started building bridges with Ralph Krueger, the Southampton chairman.

Liverpool did not bid officially during the summer, but reiterated they would pay whatever it took if Southampton were prepared to sell. That pledge was in place on the final day of the August transfer window. A phone call from St Mary’s would have set the ball rolling.

In recent weeks, contact was re-established, with Liverpool insistent that Van Dijk was their No 1 choice but that they would buy a defender next month regardless and had other targets. The back-up plan was not needed.

By Christmas, Van Dijk’s performances did not warrant a place in Mauricio Pellegrino’s line-up, while Southampton’s tailspin meant hanging on to a £70 million player who was no longer much of an asset did not make sense. Not when £70 million — if spent correctly next month — could steady fortunes in the face of a possible fraught fight for Premier League survival. Southampton’s decision belatedly to name a price was an invitation to the negotiating table that Liverpool were not about to pass up. They quickly showed the colour of their money.

Andy Massey, the Liverpool club doctor, oversaw the medical on Wednesday at Nuffield Hospital in Bournemouth. It was then that Klopp finally had his man and, the more he reflects on the deal, the surer he is that Van Dijk will not leave Liverpool short-changed.

This reads like an article straight out of North Korean newspaper.
 
I understand you want to see Klopp eat his words here.. He has certainly backed down from his earlier statements regarding fees for players, and I for one hope, that he stops talking about how other clubs handle their bussines.

But besides that, I don't get the outrage regarding the price paid for van Dijk. Yes.. It is a lot of money, but if Liverpool can afford it, so what.. Who cares how they spend their money? Or how Manchester United or City spend theirs.

What is important, is the team on the field, nothing else.. The rest is up to the accountants.

It's the fact he commented on Pogba fee. He should have left it to us fans. Had he not made those comments he'd be getting less scrutiny. That's literally all it is. It will all blow over soon enough.
 
I understand you want to see Klopp eat his words here.. He has certainly backed down from his earlier statements regarding fees for players, and I for one hope, that he stops talking about how other clubs handle their bussines.

But besides that, I don't get the outrage regarding the price paid for van Dijk. Yes.. It is a lot of money, but if Liverpool can afford it, so what.. Who cares how they spend their money? Or how Manchester United or City spend theirs.

What is important, is the team on the field, nothing else.. The rest is up to the accountants.

Genuinely, this is fecking hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan. What happened to net spend la?
 
Couldn't give a shit

They got fleeced but that's who they wanted so who cares

They will still be shite as long as Klopp is manager

If he changed his tune about his flawed tactical approach like he did about his opinions on transfer fees then I might start to be worried.

Klopp is a spoofer and won fook all in his career given the gratitude he gets from media etc and he perception he is top class manager
 
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Genuinely, this is fecking hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan. What happened to net spend la?
Why is it hilarious?

Like I said.. I don't care about the netspend. It's not my money. And for the record.. I didn't care either, how much you gave for Pogba. You have the money, so it's yours to spend.

I care about the team on the field, and if van Dijk can do it better, than what they have, then all is good.
 
Last/this season ; Gomez (20), TAA (18), Moreno (22), Woodburn (17), Solanke (20) (and I won't even mention those that haven't worked out yet or didn't work out), these are players that are being/have been carefully nurtured and then introduced to the first team. The average age on our bench for one match last season was 19 yrs old ... say no more.

As far as Poch is concerned, yes undoubtedly the best 'nurturer' as far as the top teams are concerned, but how much of that is/was forced upon him by lack of funds ? And again, don't confuse 'home-grown' with nurturing a term which can be applied to any player brought in at a relatively young age.

Jose also played players like McTominay, Rashford, Shaw, Martial and other young players. It doesn't mean he is nurturing them. More to the point, I disagreed with the following point.
Throughout Klopp’s managerial career he has sided with nurture over nature, the idea that developing talent can be as useful as going out and buying ready-made solutions.

If Klopp believed that, wonder why he signed nearly completely new first 11 players. That's the definition of buying ready made solutions.

Also stop with "don't confuse 'home-grown' with nurturing a term", no one is getting confused here, I have already said why the point was wrong and explained same thing again in this post.
 
It’s a fluff piece, nothing more nothing less.

Paul Joyce is a Duncan Castles type for LFC.

Difference is United fans take everything Castles says with a pinch of salt whereas Liverpool fans lap this sort of stuff up.

Exactly.
 
Why is it hilarious?

Like I said.. I don't care about the netspend. It's not my money. And for the record.. I didn't care either, how much you gave for Pogba. You have the money, so it's yours to spend.

I care about the team on the field, and if van Dijk can do it better, than what they have, then all is good.

It's hilarious because your entire fan base have been saying the complete opposite for 25 years.

Welcome to the dark side Liverpool fans, no room for excuses over here.