Salah - 40m
Ox - 40m
Keita - 60m
VvD - 75m
Not sure either how Keita worked out, didn’t you have to pay a large premium? Also not including likes of Solanke as not sure what he cost.
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Salah - 40m
Ox - 40m
Keita - 60m
VvD - 75m
Not sure either how Keita worked out, didn’t you have to pay a large premium? Also not including likes of Solanke as not sure what he cost.
Robertson was 9 million as well.
Exactly. We were in a worse state than they were when José took over but Klopp has also spent a fortune and it never gets brought up.
Its worth noting, that Klopp's two biggest signings have yet to kick a ball for Liverpool. Thus far, under Klopp, Liverpool have spent not so much compared to United (its night and day looking at net-spend).
With Keita and Van Dijk, who will join in July and January respectively, only then does it start to match what Mourinho has spent. Unlike Klopp however, he has brought silverware, which, now Klopp has to do given the phenomenal backing FSG have given him.
Now that Klopp has got his 4 big targets (Salah, AOC, VVD and Keita), if he doesn't get CL consistently this year and next + one or two cups, and a good shot at the titlle by next season, big, big questions need to be asked, because he has been backed like no other Liverpool manager in history.
I think Mourinho is doing a good job at United, and that City's phenomenal season is making people lose perspective (fans, media). Just because someone is doing a B+ or A- job doesn't mean its suddenly a C due to another guy doing an A+ job. Its worth considering progress isolated from the competition sometimes. At the same time, if you look at the competition, at worst, United will finish 3rd this season. That's great progress when you look at the starting points of the cohort of the top 6 when Jose took over.
Finishing outside the top 4 would be disastrous for Klopp given the investment for this year itself. He's done a good job given the resources and the relatively mediocre spend so far compared to the competition. That's gone out of the window this year, and now the expectation changes for me, and for many other Liverpool fans, I'm sure.
With Keita and Van Dijk, who will join in July and January respectively, only then does it start to match what Mourinho has spent. Unlike Klopp however, he has brought silverware, which, now Klopp has to do given the phenomenal backing FSG have given him.
Now that Klopp has got his 4 big targets (Salah, AOC, VVD and Keita), if he doesn't get CL consistently this year and next + one or two cups, and a good shot at the titlle by next season, big, big questions need to be asked, because he has been backed like no other Liverpool manager in history.
I think Mourinho is doing a good job at United, and that City's phenomenal season is making people lose perspective (fans, media). Just because someone is doing a B+ or A- job doesn't mean its suddenly a C due to another guy doing an A+ job. Its worth considering progress isolated from the competition sometimes. At the same time, if you look at the competition, at worst, United will finish 3rd this season. That's great progress when you look at the starting points of the cohort of the top 6 when Jose took over.
Finishing outside the top 4 would be disastrous for Klopp given the investment for this year itself. He's done a good job given the resources and the relatively mediocre spend so far compared to the competition. That's gone out of the window this year, and now the expectation changes for me, and for many other Liverpool fans, I'm sure.
We did have to pay a premium. But I am not sure if the money was paid in summer of 2017 or whether it was an installment and the rest paid in the summer of 2018. That's why I said I'm not sure how this deal was structured.
Also:
Salah was 36.9 million
AOC was 35 million
VVD is apparently 27 now and I've seen 29 in some places.
People have added extra on to every fee and included bonuses but failed to do so for the target they're comparing them to. ( Lukaku)
Nobody knows Keitas premium fee I've seen everything from 3 to 7 million.
People are failing to see we've spent very little for a few years now, we've got CL football and made a profit some summer's. I'm not saying we suddenly have the ability to spend 150-200 every summer, but the money was there for a one off splurge. I said it multiple times in the summer whilst chastising us for not spending it.
Nobody wants to win the net spend trophy and it's a discussion that's been had on here in regards to finances and I've always maintained that I want us to spend more. We're on our most barren trophy run in the post shankly era you don't get anything for playing good football and churning out a profit. We need to build a squad capable of challenging. We know we're well below United/City/Chelsea in terms of money and wages but it's a nice position we've built and the signings are more precise and targeted than ever before. We haven't made enough of them but it's getting there.
Source ? Please don't say Twitter
That said :
Also it seems Melissa Reddy (supposed ITK) says that we're after Goretzka, Savic and Lemar.
Source ? Please don't say Twitter
That said :
Also it seems Melissa Reddy (supposed ITK) says that we're after Goretzka, Savic and Lemar.
Reddy is fed directly by the club along with Joyce and Pearce. If she's saying it there's likely to be substance to these rumours.
I doubt we'll get much for either. Maybe €30M total. Can't believe we'll get much for Sturridge who is sadly broken.
As much as I hate to shoot down someone actually saying something nice about us ..... Milner is aging (still a good player mind) and nothing more than a squaddie now, Can is gone, Coutinho is gone, Wijnaldum is good at Anfield (only) and Hendo is broken, the midfield is good enough now only to carry us through this season. We need a new midfield and it seems Klopp is building it with Keita and the purported interest in Goretzka, Savic and Lemar.Hate to admit it but Liverpool (and Klopp in particular) is building a scintilating squad. His attack is there or thereabouts. Has some decent bodies in Midfield now (arguable) with likes of Coutinho, Wjinaldum, Can, Milner, etc. And now it feels he's sorting out the defence.
Great to hear ! Cheers.
Typical RC exaggeration. Lovren has a meltdown in him for sure but he's also played a lot of very good games for us this season too. You just have to know that once every half a dozen matches he's going to feck up big time. easily good enough for any non-Top 6 PL team and probably up to £30m in this market.
Interesting take on VVD's strengths and weaknesses from Neil McGuinness (ex-senior scout at Celtic) : http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40730793
Oh.. Så Liverpool had a better squad than Manchester United when Klopp arrived? I am pretty sure, that no one in here were of that opinion. In fact.. You would have been the laughing stock of the caf, if you had suggested that at the time
How can you just say United will finish 3rd ?
Two games of negative results could see United 5th or 6th.
Then what ?
Klopp will be under pressure now but hey the modern game means all managers need to get half a billion to have any chance of titles.
That's just the way it is.
I tell you one thing I would love to be a manager these days as the Salaries are great and the sacking severance lump sums must be great too. And it really is ok to fail for them as they can't be expected to work miracles. Then they get another Job next week.
Source ? Please don't say Twitter
That said :
Also it seems Melissa Reddy (supposed ITK) says that we're after Goretzka, Savic and Lemar.
Melissa Reddy said it was happening and that article you posted backed her up. Exciting times to be a red
VVD will definitely be a threat at set pieces (future Coutinho replacement on FKs ?) and especially corners, he's a man mountain FFS !
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You paid £70m now to get him as Southampton need the money to buy in January. The rest is in instalments.
Lukaku was 75m rising to 90 based on club and personal performance.
Salah was that initially with another £7m in performance related fees. Id imagine he’s going to hit those fees.
Likewise with the Ox. £35m upfront with another 5 in add on.
If they get Goretzka and De Vrij on a free, they'll be in a fantastic position to complete the team in the summer. Interesting
Think we are looking at Akanji from Basel first.
I'd say Stones is the best in the league.
1. Jose mourinho was unofficially ( behind lvs's back) appointed as a man utd manager even before your season ended , while klopp was a mid season appointment.
2. You had finished 5th and won FA cup when lvg stepped down while Liverpool were 8th in the league when Brendan rodgers stepped down.
From what angle you see what you see i dont get it.
United dont need him anyways with mou's 10 man defense,
Back to the comment, Chelsea did bid for him last season only for Southampton to hold firm. And city are stuck with crooked kompany that they are forced to play delph as a CB. I think that says it all. Arsenal were not involved because of the price tag. Irrespective of whether they need him or not , vvd wont make the cut in any of the mentioned back 4 is hilarious.
Azpilicueta is a mainstay in the Chelsea defence, Luiz was very good for them last season and so has Christensen this season. They can probably improve upon Cahill but even then they signed Rudiger in the summer so it's not like there's a gaping hole in that defence.
Same with City, Kompany might be a crock but Stones is Pep's personal pet project and Otamendi has been much improved this season. van Dijk would be an option at either club but certainly wouldn't be an undisputed starter.
He's not event the best at City, to be honest. Otamendi's better, and I'd still prefer a *fully fit* Kompany too. Stones though has the potential to become the best, needs to recapture his form from before his injury, keep playing regularly and he has no excuse to not become world class. He's bulked up a lot in the summer and has cut out the stupid mistakes which always held him back.
Anyway, seen as this is the Liverpool thread, I must admit if I had to pick the team I'd be most worried about next season, as things stand it would be them. Frighteningly good attack and Klopp seems to be chasing the players they need, in addition to having a summer to fully embed Keita and van Dijk into the side. If they can replace Coutinho adequately then Klopp has to be challenging for the league.
When you compare Arsenal vs Liverpool (3-3) to Arsenal vs United (1-3), the number of chances Arsenal created in both games was fairly similar. If anything, Arsenal had more chances against United. The big difference between the two teams is De Gea vs Mignolet.
Can't disagree with that. I'm hoping that Klopp has finally lost patience with Mignolet after that shambolic Arsenal match and will look to replace him in the summer. No point hanging him out to dry now as we can't really replace him in January but I think he'll be gone by August
For me, this will be the most impressive thing that Klopp can do. Admit that Mignolet and Karius aren’t good enough by buying a new no1 goalkeeper.
Unfortunately something is telling me he will be stubborn and stick with him just to try and prove a point to everyone. Hope I’m wrong
Very much this.
When he came out and said he was happy with the defenders we had I cringed, everyone could see it needed bolstering and it didn’t happen.
Be a shame if we finally sorted the defence to a high degree and still leaked unnecessary points due to the ‘keeper situation.
The club paying the premium for Keita and now not faffing about with getting VvD over the line has me hopeful he will squash his stubbornness somewhat.
That “keeping” for the Xhaka goal
only the most recent example.
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I still think there's a possibility that Coutinho will stay. Barcelona are talking plenty but their bids last summer were a joke.
You’re deluding yourself.
He’s blatantly been given the classic Liverpool line of “please stay one more season then we’ll sell you without fuss next summer”.
Probably why he hasn’t been kicking off too much in the press despite making his feelings abundantly clear in the summer.
There’s always the possibility Barcelona turn to someone else.
Seen Ronaldo (Brazilian) quoted recently advising Coutinho not to go there. Something to do with how Brazilian players have been treated by Barcelona in the past. No idea if there’s anything in that.
They've had a number of Brazilian players over the years, some being the big stars of the national side, the majority of which have got on absolutely fine, so I'm going to wager a "no" with that one.
Now let's just get Kevin Trapp for GK, De Vrij on a free. That will be a MASSIVE upgrade on our defense. Of course it's worth dreaming
Trapp is a horrible GK, very prone to errors which is exactly what Liverpool are trying to fix!
De Vrij has signed a new contract I believe. Release clause is only around £27m, though.
That was a bit bitter from me but not more than the devaluation vvd is going through on this forum.
Sorry but that's complete nonsense. Chelsea play with 3 CB's, he's better than Cahill or Luiz, and probably Christensen at this moment in time. City value ability on the ball, and he's better than Otamendi or present-day Kompany in that regard, not as good as John Stones but arguably a better defender, so he'd probably be their #1.
As for United, I rate Bailly as an aggressive defender but Van Dijk is basically a combination of Smalling (dominant in the air, physically strong and quick) with maybe 90% of Lindelof's ability in possession.
Makes you wonder why Ronaldo said it.
Extrapolating his own personal experience and finding a reason for why he was treated, at least as he feels, poorly.
Zico has also come out and said he should stay and yes Ronaldo, the original, also advised he doesn't go Barca ashe says they don't treat Brazilians very well citing himself, Neymar, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho as examples. There may well be some truth to it but it's not going to stop Coutinho going there in the Summer.
The Spanish press have now started trotting out the same lines as last Summer; ready to sign, in negotiations etc., no doubt 'will be presented as a Barca player next week' ... followed by silence when their deadline passes. I will be shocked and amazed if it is either a) he goes this January or b) he doesn't go in the Summer.