Well take a gander at this before making claims re. Maguire, Stones or as some have said ' a pretty average player' ! Hahaha as if City, Chelsea, United and LFC would all be linked with him if he were that.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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I’m guessing that you haven’t really watched a lot of VVD with this comment. He is very comfortable on the ball with a great range of passing. It may take him a bit to get back to his best after going through the motions the pst 6 months but he immediately brings Liverpool’s back 4 to a new level.
He's a good signing and will be very interesting to see if he makes a difference. You'll probably need to spend £100m to get a keeper too though.
No we won't. I doubt if even De Gea would command that figure. I do find it strange how undervalued keepers are though. However £50m seems realistic for say Oblak, no matter what his buy-out clause says.
He wouldn't get into the first team for any of City, Chelsea or United. We haven't ever been seriously linked with him and I doubt City and Chelsea have been used for anything more than hiking up the fee.
Compilation videos are always pointless too, I could just as easily post one of him always out of position looking gormless.
Haha you really don't like the fact we signed him do you. Hilarious. Go back up to the cat GIF - I think it has your features
Not really, I've always been consistent in my opinion even when he was linked to United. I suppose that's the easier explanation for you to swallow but I'm not even close to being agitated about it.Haha you really don't like the fact we signed him do you. Hilarious. Go back up to the cat GIF - I think it has your features
Mourinho has relied heavily on players that were at the club before he joined, many of which have stepped up under him. Lingard, Rojo, Fellaini, Young and Valencia in particular have looked much better under Mourinho than they did under van Gaal and Moyes. It's utter nonsense that Mourinho just buys new squads. He's signed fewer players than Klopp has since arriving at Old Trafford, and has currently spent only around £20 million more, which is basically the difference between the cost of Pogba and the cost of Keita.
Mourinho has so far signed 7 players for a combined fee of around £310 million. In the same time frame Klopp has signed 12 players for a combined fee of around £290 million.
You list players there like Liverpool aren't paying those sorts of fees. Pogba and Lukaku signed for United for £165 million. Keita and van Dijk signed for Liverpool for £143 million, and one of them isn't even available until next season. Morata and Luiz signed for Chelsea for £86 million. Mendy and Walker signed for City for £96 million. Salah and Oxlade-Chamberlain cost Liverpool £75 million, and Mane and Wijnaldum cost them £60 million.
Since Mourinho has arrived at United, they have spent around £310 million gross, and £260 million net. Chelsea have spent around £300 million gross, but only around £32.5 million net. City have spent around £415 million gross, and £300 million net. Arsenal have spent around £142.5 million gross, and around £70 million net. Spurs have spent around £160 million gross, and only around £25 million net. Liverpool have spent around £290 million gross, and around £175 million net.
If you rank the top 6 by gross expenditure, Liverpool have spent the 4th highest amount. However, if you rank them by net expenditure, Liverpool have only been outspent by United and City, and have spent over £100 million more than both Chelsea and Spurs.
Klopp hasn't spent much though.
IMO they're a quality DM, LB and GK away from having a truly excellent XI. I think they should be going all out for N'Zonzi.
I think DDG would be around that if RM really, really wanted him. The fact is clubs know you need a keeper and they know Premier League clubs can afford crazy sums. The latest TV deal and the outlook for the future means transfer fee inflation is set to rise for some time yet.
It's easy to find a defender I mean a good solid defender with much less money, right?
Yeah. I mean look at Bailly for less than half that fee.
Truth is no one else wanted him at that ridiculous price. You're desperate to plug your leaky defence, everyone else can get by with what they already have as VVD isn't a 'must have' player like Neymar or Pogba.
VVD wouldn't get into a world XI at centre back would he?
Not even in the top, err, 10 in the world? I wouldn't think the top 10, not that I'd like to name them.
I think you would see a drastic improvement by buying a tactically sound holding midfielder more so than buying VvD
It would mean that when you lose the ball your center backs are at least not directly exposed on every counter
Word is that we are pretty optimistic for signing Goretzka. I wouldn't bet the house on that though.
Failing that, NZonzi would be ideal imo.
At the top PL clubs here are the CB options.
Otamendi, Kompany, Stones, Mangala
Bailly, Jones, Smalling, Lindleof, Rojo
Koscielny, Mustafi, Mertesacker
Vertonghen, Sanchez, Alderweireld
Christensen, Cahill, Luiz
Does VVD really jump out above some of that lot? At 75m he should do. And that's not even mentioning the rest of Europe.
Comfortably better:
Otamendi
Kompany
Bailly
Vertigon
Alderwerild
Cahill
Luiz
Arguably better:
Snalling
Jones
Stones
Koscielny
75m madness
The VVD transfer is boiling some serious piss. Excellent.
Not really. It's just ridiculous comments by people like you who think he's one of the best centre halves in Europe that irk people.
It's hardly ridiculous. He's one of the best in the PL which makes him one of the best in Europe.
Oh I agree the price is too high. But who really gives a shit about the price ? We had to go there to fend off City .... who yes, really did want him (even more so now that Kompany is out for a month, yet again) but probably moved too slow. And yes we were desperate to plug our leaky defence, how astute of you to notice. That's why we had to pay ca. £15m more than the fee we were expected to pay last Summer. So what ? Fact is we got the player Klopp wanted, how much he will improve us remains to be seen but improve us he will as there's no doubt he's far superior to any CB on our books at the moment. So what is your point ? Really ?
Keep it as vague as possible in the hope you can convince yourself he's in the top tier bracket? I see what you're doing!
At 75m and a record fee for a defender he should be THE best shouldn't he? You're not paying for potential or marketability here.
Would love N'Zonzi next to Keita. That would be an awesome midfield. Can't see it happening though.
Who cares about price? Well you're own manager and fans had an awful lot to say when united signed Pogba didn't they..
I think it's you who doesn't get the point!
In the Top 3/4 for sure .. and that's good enough for me when Matip was the best we had and he'd struggle to make a Top 6 from that lot ( know you'll say Top 10 but I rate him higher - no surprise on either side).
admirably stubbornNo you don't. You are so engrossed in taking pot shots at the manager you have lost sight of what's important. We signed a top CB to shore up the weakest part of our team - as everyone here was only too keen to point out week after week.
Pogba wouldn't get into a world 11 neither.
A lot of money but I'm guessing the Liverpool fans don't care.
The reports that stated City were in for him also made clear Pep saw him as, on paper at least, 3rd choice behind Stones and Otamendi.
Excellent signing. Liverpool will probably finish very strongly now.
But if Coutinho leaves, you would still fall short unless there is a quality backup lined up. With Coutinho, thats probably one of the best teams in england and can easily rival City.
But if Coutinho leaves, you would still fall short unless there is a quality backup lined up. With Coutinho, thats probably one of the best teams in england and can easily rival City.
What's vague about saying he's one of the best defenders in the prem?
Wow that's high praise
Can those reports be taken at face value ? I doubt any manager would go as far as to say Player X is coming in to replace Player Y, especially so when the player hasn't even been signed. I'm sure even Klopp will say he is going to have to compete for a CB starting slot. There's no denying that City are clearly short at CB and also no doubt in my mind whatsoever that VVD is better than both Stones and Otamendi and would have formed an awesome partnership with a fit Kompany.
Well it seems odd to believe one aspect of the reports but not the other. It seems apparent that City are not after a regular starter given we moved for Evans on deadline day and the other defender we have been linked with the most is Inigo Martinez. On current form Otamendi's probably the best CB in the league and Stones was excellent before his injury, I think van Dijk would have a fight on his hands to be a regular starter, although no doubt he's got the talent to potentially do so.
Where do you rank him then? In the PL and in Europe? Who is better/worse
United needed a CM and CF and spent big on Pogba and Lukaku.
Didn't stop your gaffer crying about it and your fanbase trying to mock.
As you said earlier you'll be dining out on the fact (although it isn't a fact really) United have the most expensive squad ever assembled.
If you can't see the irony in all of this when you've just spunked 40m on Ox and 75m on VVD then you really are a lost cause.
Pogba fee was increased due to potential and marketability. Both things that VVD will never have.
I am a City fan and IMHO, VVD would improve any team's defence.
75 million is just about right for the league's best defender(last year's) in today's market.
Especially for a team like City who builds from the back, he is a frightening miss.
Liverpool next year, especially with Keita will be great to watch.
75 million is just about right for the league's best defender(last year's) in today's market.
Especially for a team like City who builds from the back, he is a frightening miss.
Liverpool next year, especially with Keita will be great to watch.
Has somebody really just said that Cahill is better than VVD? In my opinion only Azpilicueta and Alderwield are better in the PL.