I disagree Newcastle contained Liverpool well. I only remember 2 clear chances. Even the goal was a pot shot from distance
Liverpool - 2017/18
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While he's not quite Rooney level of finished as a Premier league force, he's certainly not good enough for an aspiring top 4 team as a starter.
On NBC they said he has only started 27 of liverpools last 120 games is that right?? Amazing stat
What a difference some midweek European games make eh?
7 games in & title challenge almost over.
Ah but...
"We have Klopp"
Yeah that's right - you have Klopp
7 games in & title challenge almost over.
Ah but...
"We have Klopp"
Yeah that's right - you have Klopp
Top 4 will be a struggle if they don't sort out their defense. They can even get their attack firing again, but if they continue to leak goals, it will be of no use. Spurs and Arsenal look streets ahead of them now, as both can finish off the lesser teams despite their other weaknesses.
As it stands, they seem set for 6th. In fact, their early season struggles sort of resemble ours from last season quite a bit.
As it stands, they seem set for 6th. In fact, their early season struggles sort of resemble ours from last season quite a bit.
Bang average game between 2 average sides. 1 worldie and a lucky goal cancelling each other. Zzzzzzz
I genuinely thought Sturridge had the potential to be world class. I might have been wrong about potential, but a wasted career.
Liverpool cant win games when they're the better team at the moment. Reminds me of us for a lot of last season, except theyare worse at defending and also, somehow, even worse than we were at not scoring goals.
That corner where it was so easy to score, all the Liverpool fans started cheering a goal
...also not sure who it was, but in the second half when it rebounded back to someone for an open goal, and for some reason they lofted it on purpose up about 10 metres over the bar. Impressive lenngths Liverpool players will go to in order not to score.
You can't really get away with being either shite at defending, or shite at taking chances, let alone both. Arsenal are the best team in history at doing that and even they can't pull it off.
That corner where it was so easy to score, all the Liverpool fans started cheering a goal
...also not sure who it was, but in the second half when it rebounded back to someone for an open goal, and for some reason they lofted it on purpose up about 10 metres over the bar. Impressive lenngths Liverpool players will go to in order not to score.You can't really get away with being either shite at defending, or shite at taking chances, let alone both. Arsenal are the best team in history at doing that and even they can't pull it off.
That corner where it was so easy to score, all the Liverpool fans started cheering a goal
It was Salah.
Didn't he do the same thing on Tuesday?It was Salah.
He does it a lot. He gets into good positions more than most players in the league but then at least two thrids of the time does something inexplicably shite when he gets there. If he was anything close to clinical he'd be one of the best players going.
1 win in 7.
Problems.
Problems.
Why is that? It's not like FSG didn't loosen up the purse. Afterall, we did buy Oxlade for 35m. Is it really FSG's fault that Klopp was stubborn about VvD and we didn't have a plan B?
Moreno was crap last year. So much so that a midfielder Milner was playing at LB. What happened offseason? Did he acquire some weird pictures of Klopp to blackmail into playing him? We purchased Robertson, who to be honest has looked solid enough and in my opinion, provides more solidity over Moreno. But Klopp doesn't play him.
Let's talk about Midfield. It's been proven time and again that Wiji goes missing in away matches, yet Klopp continues to play him. Why not play Milner in midfield?
It's not the owners' fault that the manager and his staff cannot identify targets to solidify the team. After that, it's not FSGs fault that Klopp plays the lineup he chooses to week in and week out. Not like John Henry is calling Klopp before every single match.
Why Lovren continues to play is beyond my understanding. It's clear to the entire world (except Klopp maybe) that Lovren with Moreno = 1 goal for the opposition. Matip is decent, and I honestly believe with a better CB playing alongside him, will get better.
I don't think we will make Top 4 with the way we are currently playing. There is no Defense. I'm baffled as to why we went for Ox. If you pay 35 million for someone, he's got to be in your first team plans right? As of right now, he's coming off the bench and isn't do anything... Naby isn't going to come in and sprinkle magic dust all of a sudden. We need better players.
Watching the past few matches, I honestly do not blame the best players on our team wanting to leave. Why would anyone want to play with drivel that's playing the back 4??
Enough of this 'we have Klopp'. He needs to get some stick about his decisions.
Some of Salah's finishing makes mine look like peak Romario.
Unlike some, I'm not all doom and gloom. I expect our output to match our performance level soon.
Performance level was pretty poor, especially 2nd half. You just don't look great going forward right now and seem like you could concede against every attack you face.
Perhaps the extra games from Europe is stopping Klopp from playing the pressing game from last season. You don't seem anywhere near as intense.
All the more baffling that we didn't reinforce more; reading about Lovren's problems with pain is just so frustrating, as I already knew we were one injury away from problems in our CB pairing and here we are.
This, basically
Whilst I'd agree the tempo in the second half was poor, we still made four clear cut chances and reduced Newcastle to next to nothing all game. It should have been enough.
They can be very good going forward, and having Coutinho back and playing well is a huge bonus for them. But what's happened to Sturridge? Nothing like the player he was a couple of years ago. Have the constant injuries taken their toll?
The defence is a shambles and should have been sorted in the summer. No side can keep giving away stupid goals and make top four. I rate Klopp, and I think he's only a couple of top defenders away from having a very good side, but he needs results until he reinforces the defence.
Hopefully we can exploit their obvious weak area in the next game.
The defence is a shambles and should have been sorted in the summer. No side can keep giving away stupid goals and make top four. I rate Klopp, and I think he's only a couple of top defenders away from having a very good side, but he needs results until he reinforces the defence.
Hopefully we can exploit their obvious weak area in the next game.
I said earlier that I can see us improving over the season and making our move for to four. We will but it's too late. Just need Matip to get injured to see how late. Even though he's been shit, the defence will get shitter, haha.
There's no climbing out of the hole Klopp has dug. January is too far away and, you guessed it, too late. There were some Dortmund fans here who said Klopp had zero say on transfers. I can see why now, he's almost as bad as Rodgers at it.
I will stop having a go at cheque book managers. At least they know they have to spend, an underrated skill in itself. If only Klopp spent. Sigh.
There's no climbing out of the hole Klopp has dug. January is too far away and, you guessed it, too late. There were some Dortmund fans here who said Klopp had zero say on transfers. I can see why now, he's almost as bad as Rodgers at it.
I will stop having a go at cheque book managers. At least they know they have to spend, an underrated skill in itself. If only Klopp spent. Sigh.
I've watched every Liverpool game this season apart from any that clashed with a United game.
Yesterday, I thought Liverpool were nowhere near as dominant or attacking as they have been in other games. Second half especially, other than the Sturridge one-on-one, I don't recall being overly worried that they would get a winner unless it was another Coutinho special type goal.
It was ridiculous wonder goals that secured 4th place for Liverpool last season rather than breaking down tight defences by getting in behind them. They've relied on that a bit in their last 2 games too.
Yesterday, I thought Liverpool were nowhere near as dominant or attacking as they have been in other games. Second half especially, other than the Sturridge one-on-one, I don't recall being overly worried that they would get a winner unless it was another Coutinho special type goal.
It was ridiculous wonder goals that secured 4th place for Liverpool last season rather than breaking down tight defences by getting in behind them. They've relied on that a bit in their last 2 games too.
Oh man, cheer up your cnut, I take no joy in watching you in such state.
Are you happy with just challenging for top 4 every year? You will never win the league with Klopp.
Liverpool are starting every game needing to score just to avoid defeat, and needing 2 or 3 to win. That's just not sustainable. No matter how good your forwards usually are, sometimes one goal has to be enough.
Compared to last season though, you were blowing some of these sides away. Think it was Watford you hammered 6-1? The intensity of your play was the best in the league from August to Xmas.
I just don't see that kind of pressing & intensity this year. Either it's a lack of confidence or Klopp is deliberately changing style, because of European football and what happened to you last January.
If we finish 5th/6th with no trophies would you want him gone? I probably would.
We are too shit to be grinding out 1-0 victories, whilst also being not good enough to blow teams away with 3/4 goals, we are relying on players that shouldn't have been here past September. Lovren, Henderson, Moreno, Matip, Gomez, Sturridge and Wijnaldum are collectively shit and should not be starting for a club who supposedly wants the big honours. But that's the thing, nobody can even laugh at us when we end up trophyless again because even our own club doesn't really care whether we win the big ones or not. That @Lizard poster who I thought was a bit OTT with some points is being proved right and it's only just fecking gone into October.
The thing is, who do you bring in? With a new manager comes a squad overhaul. Then it takes about a year for the new squad to settle. It's such a vicious cycle. I do expect us to get better, but as some have mentioned, it maybe too late. We made CL after a long time, this should have been a statement of intent transfer window. To an extent it was - unfortunately for us, we fecked it up and then had no plan B. You're telling me that a player like Howedes was available and he wouldn't be an upgrade over Klavan? Delusional.
Here's my viewpoint: IFF Klopp is truly FSGs long term plan to bring success, FSG should have really gone for someone like Monchi. Bring in a DoF who knows transfers and let them do it. Leave Klopp to coach the team. I think that's where Klopp is at his best.
OK - I was looking at results & stumbled on something that I think is interesting, it might only be interesting to me & it's all a bit contrived & convenient for having a go, if you like, but here it is. If you fillet their results so as to remove the 2 outlier shockers - the City game & their own thrashing of Arsenal - and then just look at ''proper'' games in the League & Champs Lge, this is what you get left with:
Watford - 3-3
Palace - 1-0
Sevilla - 2-2
Burnley - 1-1
Leics - 3-2
Spartak 1-1
Newcastle 1-1
only 2 wins from 7, but 0 defeats, however, the opposition isn't great, goals 12-10 - all pretty consistent though, isn't it? and not scoring at a rate to properly frighten anyone either, good performances vs Hoffenheim getting disregarded here, tbf - on a bit of a technicality you could say
I'm gonna say I would expect them to improve but it isn't a given. Dodgy method in the study but slightly suspicious pattern left too.
Watford - 3-3
Palace - 1-0
Sevilla - 2-2
Burnley - 1-1
Leics - 3-2
Spartak 1-1
Newcastle 1-1
only 2 wins from 7, but 0 defeats, however, the opposition isn't great, goals 12-10 - all pretty consistent though, isn't it? and not scoring at a rate to properly frighten anyone either, good performances vs Hoffenheim getting disregarded here, tbf - on a bit of a technicality you could say
I'm gonna say I would expect them to improve but it isn't a given. Dodgy method in the study but slightly suspicious pattern left too.
Yep agree with most of that. Do I want Klopp out? Not really, I really like him. But it's not what I want, is what the club needs. The relevant question is who can we get that's better? The answer is it doesn't matter as we can't continue with what we're seeing.
Maybe our next option is to go full DoF now and get a manager that is open to it, and is half decent. Likely to be young and unheard of. Frankly I've had enough of autonomous leaders with single massive flaws, often involving transfer windows when every man and his dog can see the obvious.
Tis a shame. Heard he's not trained fully and that he doesn't trust his body. That lack of intense training and injury and not playing has ultimately taken his toll.
He needs a better fitness coach and psychologist to help him as he still offers good skill; but that chance in the match he should have buried.
Maybe the weather abroad might help him in Spain. The style of a few teams in Italy might suit him.
Convenient you may say as we've spent shedloads since, but I came to this realisation myself about two/three seasons ago. Managers who are not afraid to put their reputations on the line and spend large amounts of money on players aren't to be wholly chastised. I've gone full circle in this regard: managers who attempt to do things on the cheap are lowering expectations and looking for a convenient excuse as to why they're so far off the pace. With the money knocking around the Premier League nowadays, these excuses don't wash, and particularly when you spend ~£15m on your defence in three seasons but can cough up £40m for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain at the drop of a hat.
It's pure and utter nonsense.
http://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-to-unveil-kenny-dalglish-stand-v-man-utd
Who thought this was a good idea?
They will raise their game for this occasion.
Crap.
I think I posted about a week ago something similar where I bet they will put out some shit like this to try get more motivation for the Utd game, they always do this its so typical lol. Anything for more motivation and to Paper over the Klopp.
I think you guys are reaching. Doubt it has anything to do with us.
They always do. I doubt this will make any difference to what happens on the pitch. The atmosphere will be even more toxic than usual, though.
You think it's a coincidence that they chose Man Utd at home to do this? I don't.
That's what Liverpool fans are for
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