Liverpool - 2017/18

JustFootballFan said:
This game was dead, when Coutinho left. Really exposed Henderson, Wijnaldum (and Grujic) offenisvely and defensively. Lallana is the most important player for Liverpool, cause he combines workrate and positional sense from the deep positions with actual class. Robertson, Solanke and Woodburn were the only players yesterday that actually made a case for more playing time. Gomez looked as bad in central defense as all the other options, but they were really left vulnerable by the lackadaisical play of Henderson and Wijnaldum. Keita will do wonders for that shitshow of a (defensive) midfield.
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Lallana is pants. With the exception of Coutinho all their midfielders are brainless workhorses. They struggle to pick a pass and they don't understand defensive positioning.
On a good day their high intensity can make them look pretty good, but over the course of a season, you need players with a more diverse skillset. Otherwise you'll drop a lot of easy points. Keita is a very good player and will certainly improve Liverpool. But in my opinion he is more of the same (just better). It remains to be seen if that's enough to fix their problems.
 
PedroMendez said:
Lallana is pants. With the exception of Coutinho all their midfielders are brainless workhorses. They struggle to pick a pass and they don't understand defensive positioning.
On a good day their high intensity can make them look pretty good, but over the course of a season, you need players with a more diverse skillset. Otherwise you'll drop a lot of easy points. Keita is a very good player and will certainly improve Liverpool. But in my opinion he is more of the same (just better). It remains to be seen if that's enough to fix their problems.
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Lallana is decent/good player but it's just a regular "whoever is injured is the most important player" syndrome we are seeing again and again. Any player who is injured will become near world class like how Lucas became without playing any games.
 
roonster09 said:
Lallana is decent/good player but it's just a regular "whoever is injured is the most important player" syndrome we are seeing again and again. Any player who is injured will become near world class like how Lucas became without playing any games.
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Yes. I exaggerated. All your midfielders are decent, but they are all the type of water-carrier, that should supplement players with different qualities.
It's like starting with 3x Herrera or 3x fellaini. They are both useful players but you don't need three (or even two) of them.
 
PedroMendez said:
Yes. I exaggerated. All your midfielders are decent, but they are all the type of water-carrier, that should supplement players with different qualities.
It's like starting with 3x Herrera or 3x fellaini. They are both useful players but you don't need three (or even two) of them.
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:nono:
 
Liverpool will be Liverpool. Period.

Even in case they are competing for title towards the very end, I'm expecting another 'Gerrard-slip'. Perhaps Henderson-slip or Coutinho-slip this time.:lol:
 
roonster09 said:
Lallana is decent/good player but it's just a regular "whoever is injured is the most important player" syndrome we are seeing again and again. Any player who is injured will become near world class like how Lucas became without playing any games.
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No it´s not. Lallana is their most important player. Just like he´s England´s most important player, because he brings a skillset to the team that nobody else offers. And give me a fecking break about Lucas. Lucas is a smart player, but his physical limitations are so severe, he can only start in Italy nowadays.

Though watching AOC and Henderson you do get a new appreciation for Milner. That was really shady of Klopp to insult Milner like that, when he said Ox was the new Milner.:(
 
JustFootballFan said:
No it´s not. Lallana is their most important player. Just like he´s England´s most important player, because he brings a skillset to the team that nobody else offers. And give me a fecking break about Lucas. Lucas is a smart player, but his physical limitations are so severe, he can only start in Italy nowadays.

Though watching AOC and Henderson you do get a new appreciation for Milner. That was really shady of Klopp to insult Milner like that, when he said Ox was the new Milner.:(
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Mane is their most important player and before him Coutinho was.
 
I was surprized how did sadio mane ended up in this project when he could have joined us.
 
Can any other reds tell me if you have seen a less inspirational captain for our club than Jordan Henderson? @Klopper76 ? It's no wonder we are shit. Sqaud player, fine but captain? No. Some will say "oh it doesn't really matter who wears the armband", but it does when the captain isn't really good and starts every game.
 
Oga on top. said:
Can any other reds tell me if you have seen a less inspirational captain for our club than Jordan Henderson? @Klopper76 ? It's no wonder we are shit. Sqaud player, fine but captain? No. Some will say "oh it doesn't really matter who wears the armband", but it does when the captain isn't really good and starts every game.
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Since I've been watching Liverpool I've seen mostly Hyypia, Fowler, Redknapp and Gerrard captain us. Henderson pales in comparison to them.
 
I though the problem last night at Leicester was they had most of the possession and struggled to create too much or get in behind Leicester, but when they did they didn't convert their chances.
Klopp's Liverpool are set up to to counter attack at pace and I think when teams sit in and let them have the ball they struggle a bit. Coutinho tried to provide a bit of spark and Robertson showed up well coming forward, although as a defender he is mediocre - their generally dodgy back 4 and keepers don't help them either.
 
Klopper76 said:
Since I've been watching Liverpool I've seen mostly Hyypia, Fowler, Redknapp and Gerrard captain us. Henderson pales in comparison to them.
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None of our top 4/6 rivals have had a captain as basic as Henderson. The only one I can think off is Arteta at Arsenal which was hilarious :lol:.
 
Liverpool have a better team than last season. Salah is a great addition for them. My prediction is that they'll make the top 4 again.
 
They seem to have the same problems we had last season, which is that they dominate the game but struggle to score goals. The big difference is of course that we could still defend so although we ended up drawing a lot of matches due to getting sucker punched, we didn't lose usually. Liverpool seem to be vulnerable to panicking once they concede, opening up even more defensively.
 
Akshay said:
The way I see it, both Spurs and Liverpool are in a contest to become the new Arsenal. Consistent champions league football and once that's established maybe win the odd domestic cup but the priority is always top four. It will probably do them more good in terms of finances and attracting players than winning the League Cup. It's a sad way to run a club but it's all about the money nowadays.
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That is not something one should aspire to become. Trophies are what you should challenge for as that breeds winning mentality. A smart manager will try to win things, off course the priority is to do well in the league but to just year after year be another Arsenal is not something one should be proud of. Arsenal with a better manager post 2006 could have achieved more. I respect Wenger but let us not over exaggerate his achievement of consistently finishing in top 4, considering they as a club deserve better. As you said its a sad way for a club to run but a better and smart manager can still bring the best out of the situation.
 
Treble said:
Liverpool have a better team than last season. Salah is a great addition for them. My prediction is that they'll make the top 4 again.
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Yes they can but for that they would have to hope one of City, chelsea and us have a bad season again. Because if all these three club have a top season then Liverpool, even with Salah cannot finish top 4 as I fancy Spurs to edge them or even Arsenal who cannot be underestimated.
 
Treble said:
Liverpool have a better team than last season. Salah is a great addition for them. My prediction is that they'll make the top 4 again.
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And which two out of

City
United
Chelsea
Spurs
Arsenal

Will miss out so they can make top four? Not saying you're wrong but I'm struggling to be able to name anyone barring Arsenal that they might outperform over the season
 
golden_blunder said:
Dalglish was a dinosaur though, it was bizarre for Liverpool to bring him out of retirement
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Ahh the laughs we had. :)
 
If my manager makes me run like a mad dog all day in training and expects me to do same next game, my team will suffer just as Liverpool are.
 
1 - they play some very nice stuff going forward & could tonk someone sooner rather than later

2 - prone to defensive lapses, however

3 - buy some fecking players for the weaker positions - how difficult is it, really?

4 - or use a dedicated DM (see 3)
 
GaryLifo said:
And which two out of

City
United
Chelsea
Spurs
Arsenal

Will miss out so they can make top four? Not saying you're wrong but I'm struggling to be able to name anyone barring Arsenal that they might outperform over the season
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Probably Arsenal and Spurs. Spurs are struggling at Wembley.
 
AshRK said:
That is not something one should aspire to become. Trophies are what you should challenge for as that breeds winning mentality. A smart manager will try to win things, off course the priority is to do well in the league but to just year after year be another Arsenal is not something one should be proud of. Arsenal with a better manager post 2006 could have achieved more. I respect Wenger but let us not over exaggerate his achievement of consistently finishing in top 4, considering they as a club deserve better. As you said its a sad way for a club to run but a better and smart manager can still bring the best out of the situation.
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I agree that clubs should aspire higher but winning big trophies is not just about mentality but also quality and being able to retain your best players. The money and attraction consistent CL football brings is essential for that. The problem with Arsenal wasn't being a top four club for a few years, it was how they failed to push on from there to being a title challenger again and stagnated instead. Liverpool and Spurs aren't regular CL contenders yet - if one of them manages to cement the spot they definitely will be expected to push on and achieve more. It's just a good first step.
 
Akshay said:
I agree that clubs should aspire higher but winning big trophies is not just about mentality but also quality and being able to retain your best players. The money and attraction consistent CL football brings is essential for that. The problem with Arsenal wasn't being a top four club for a few years, it was how they failed to push on from there to being a title challenger again and stagnated instead. Liverpool and Spurs aren't regular CL contenders yet - if one of them manages to cement the spot they definitely will be expected to push on and achieve more. It's just a good first step.
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Fair enough but I do not think taking domestic competitions seriously is something that hard. Like, Spurs must aim to win a trophy this season. They have done a remarkable job in last 2 seasons and now they should start winning something. Liverpool have won just one trophy in last decade and that is atrocious whichever way we all look it. A club like Liverpool must do better.
 
Weren't West Ham in for William Carvalho? Surely he'd prefer Liverpool if they were in for him.
 
what do you make of that then?

apart from the 5 goals & all the controversy - what a terrible game, :D

LFC playing what football there was - Leics didn't play much that's for sure

But... I'll say a draw would have been fair - don't think that's a massive WUM is it?
 
montpelier said:
what do you make of that then?

apart from the 5 goals & all the controversy - what a terrible game, :D

LFC playing what football there was - Leics didn't play much that's for sure

But... I'll say a draw would have been fair - don't think that's a massive WUM is it?
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By the same token, its less of a WUM to say Southampton deserved the WIN yesterday.
 
oh well, I did ask, :rolleyes:

(mainly about the LFC game I thought)

notes down @Dumbstar in the ''definitely not having none of that'' category, :lol:
 
I think this team will be very close in terms of performances to their team in 13/14. They won't challenge for the title with this defence but they'll do better than many on here expect. Because they will outscore most of the other teams even when they concede 2 or 3 goals.

An attack consisting of Coutinho, Mane, Firmino and Salah will score at least 90 PL goals, IMO. They scored 3 yesterday and their best attacker wasn't even on the pitch.
 
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