So so bad defensively. As Roy Keane said last night, they'll probably get through the groups but when it comes to playing the big boys like Real Madrid, they will just laugh at Liverpool.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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3 midfielders with 180 degree vision. Anything that happens behind them might as well not exist. CBs prone to lapses in concentration on top of it. Yeah, they'll always be vulnerable...
...guess what? Real Madrid have a similar problem. Which is why Casemiro is untouchable. Difference is we generally still find ways to win games(and also, our CBs tend to up their game in big games) so it goes ignored...
Liverpool were bad all around in the second half, it wasn't just the defence
...guess what? Real Madrid have a similar problem. Which is why Casemiro is untouchable. Difference is we generally still find ways to win games(and also, our CBs tend to up their game in big games) so it goes ignored...
Liverpool were bad all around in the second half, it wasn't just the defence
Quick wikipedia search, Klopp's dortmund's GA in the league(34 games): 37-42-22-25-42-38-42
Wait, what? While I agree about Casemiro and our midfields lack of awareness, in no way are we and Madrid comparable.
Your defense is:
Carvajal---Varane---Ramos---Marcelo
-----------------Casemiro---------------
Out of that back five, three are arguably the best in the world in their position. We, on the other hand, have:
Clyne---Matip---Lovren---Moreno
------------Henderson------------
Which is mid table standard at best, and frankly three of them should have been replaced this summer.
Point being we have the exact same defensive issues, but we choose to put a plug who could make it just a tad bit harder for the opposition to score, while being massively more talented going forward and thus actually capable of overcoming the defensive issues consistently enough to make people forget about it
Casemiro?
Your full-backs are like top midfielders in attack, it helps a lot and compensates for your defensive problems.
I didn't realize you had any defensive issues. Either way, Casemiro was a catch, and we could do with both better defenders and a commanding DM.
Your dominance of games means that in no way is your situation comparable to Liverpool's - even if you believed that there were common indicators (which is a huge stretch, and that I doubt many people would agree on). Also, you do have Casemiro, which kinda contradicts what you're saying. And I don't know Kroos enough, but Modric isn't a player that only has vision of what's going on in front of him, at all.
13 clean sheets in 60 games last season
Yes to both, but we still give up goals at a ridiculous rate. Last season we gave up 72 goals in 60 games, with only 13 clean sheets. This season we're at 5 in 7, with a penalty miss and a bunch of sitters. The only game were we didn't concede and it wasn't down to luck was yesterday
Real are a case in point that attack trumps defence and can win big titles.
I admit it was a bit of an overgeneralization(Modric isn't great at tracking runs, but he's not that bad either), and yes we aren't as vulnerable as liverpool, but the main problems are broadly the same. The biggest difference is we're so much better than them at converting chances.
Also possibly one indicator of why they have one league title in the last four seasons.
Barcelona's defence isn't good either. But their attack helped them a lot.
Egyptians hijacking every poll
They don't look at all like title challengers to me, not good enough, they might finish top 4 but they'd be relying more on Chelsea, City, United or Spurs to feck up (a possibility, mind).
That worked out well for you
That worked out well for you
No it didn't.
I didn't watch them against Burnley, but if they keep fecking up like that, I don't see them even making top 4.
Four games in and some of the same blatantly obvious shite from last season is still there.
After beating us 4-0 and buying the Ox they have failed to win a single game
So basically they're exactly like last season?
At least they had a lot of fun following around that stupid van. Oh yeah and Lemar apparently preferred Liverpool over Arsenal so that's another positive. Too bad he didn't come anyway. Van Dijk you said? He'll come next season.
We will struggle unless mane stays fit. The summer window we shot ourselves in the foot yet again.
Only saw the goals. In fairness I doubt that'll be the only time Burnley take home points off a top 6 side this season. But the defending for that goal - who is actually the worst defender of Matip, Klavan and Lovren? Hard to say sometimes.
Been watching football for over 25 years, 1-1 at home to Burnley is about the most typical Liverpool result I can imagine during that time.
Been watching football for over 25 years, 1-1 at home to Burnley is about the most typical Liverpool result I can imagine during that time.
They have started worse than last season. But probably have a better team now. Depend too much on Mane though.
Liverpool players obviously confused by the concept of playing 2 games in the same week. It's gonna be a long season for them.
They're looking a lot like Arsenal in recent seasons. Great going forward but can't defend to save themselves.
Our finishing lets us down on days like today.
Your manager let you down by not investing in the defence and being able to organize it.
I can't believe the free pass Saint.Kloppo gets from Liverpool supporters.
And arsenal have won every one of theirs... looks a good deal for you. 40 million, insane.After beating us 4-0 and buying the Ox they have failed to win a single game
Poor finishing cost us today. Oh, that and bad defending as usual. When that cross came, why the feck did Klavan decide to double down on the same guy Matip was already covering and then leave Arfield alone. We couldn't get better defenders my arse.
Still early in the season, but the signs aren't good.
Still early in the season, but the signs aren't good.
I wonder when it'll take for Liverpool fans to turn on Klopp for that shambolic window? The funds were there clearly.
They won't ever turn on Klopp. It will be everyone and everything else's fault before his.
Their goal doesn't even matter if we take a couple of the multiple chances we had today. There are days like against Watford and midweek against Seville where the defence lets us down, then there are others like today where we really should have been out of sight.
Klopp deserves criticism at times, as do the players at others.
Doesn't look like they are in the same league financially with City, United, or even Chelsea.
Are you suggesting that we start demanding his resignation? He gets plenty of criticism from Liverpool fans on here about the defensive issues. He inherited that issue from Rodgers and has never looked close to fixing it.
One Mane team atm.
I wonder if they are aware of where St. Rafa's team is at the moment in the table!!