Mané? Go to guy, no. But he's good enough for them, yes
Liverpool - 2017/18
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You mean good enough right now?
He was very consistent last season, but I never felt he had a 'next level ' in him . Now I'm not sure anymore. He's been moved to a new position and looks even more dangerous.
He's good enough for those teams but as a squad player rather than as a starter IMO. Not sure about Bayern though. He's not at Robben or Riberys peak level, of course, but I've not been keeping up with who their main wingers are.
He's good enough right now. Not better than what they already have, but good enough to play for them, yes. He wouldn't displace Bale or Isco or Ribery or Robben, but if the teams had him instead of them, they wouldn't try to replace him. Dunno if it's clear
Yeah. Makes sense.
It was pretty damn good. There are very few players out there with an explosive first step like Mane and can finish like that from distance. It was a damn good goal.
Very good. But not a special goal. It's no Mkhitarian or Charlie Daniels kind of goal of last season/week that's for sure. Are you a Liverpool fan? I can understand a Liverpool fan still watching the goal a week on unable to stop, for sentimental reasons.
No way. I've just been keeping my eye Sadio Mane since his days at Southampton. Been great watching him develop.
Yeah, it's been real nice watching him develop at Liverpool.
He does his name is Billy Blaggs
What really made that goal interesting (apart from holding doing a non holding job) is the body shape before striking through the ball. Mane has this ability to strike the ball even with his back turned, something like ISS Deluxe on SNES those days
That and his acceleration from a standing point is something else, I've not seen any player match it. His technique is fantastic but we all know that. It's his brain and the acceleration. The quickness of mind as well as feet is devastating.What really made that goal interesting (apart from holding doing a non holding job) is the body shape before striking through the ball. Mane has this ability to strike the ball even with his back turned, something like ISS Deluxe on SNES those days
Seeing a number of reports that Coutinho will refuse to play CL football and try and force a move away in January. Brazil also saying he's fully fit at the moment.
How do we see this panning out? He clearly doesn't want to be at the club and isn't happy. Could be a distraction this season. Clyne left out of the CL squad too.
How do we see this panning out? He clearly doesn't want to be at the club and isn't happy. Could be a distraction this season. Clyne left out of the CL squad too.
Clyne has been left out due to injury. He won't be able to play whilst the CL group stages are played.
We'll see what happens with Coutinho. It's in his best interest to play. Even if Barcelona don't come back for him there's no reason why someone else won't. Surely he doesn't want to spend the next four months on the bench not playing?
An update on Can's contract situation. I'm pretty sure he'll be gone in January or for free in the summer.
I'd be disappointed if he does leave because he's just starting to look like a decent midfielder.
I'd be disappointed if he does leave because he's just starting to look like a decent midfielder.
Wrong thread?
Yeah and he seems quite important in Klopps eyes. Would be a loss to you based on recent form.
If it is really just a matter of a release clause, Liverpool have it good. Much better to get €50M than nothing.
Agreed I can't see anything wrong with this. Just put the amount but state he won't be sold in the middle of the season or at Christmas if thats what Liverpool wish. 60 million seems a fair amount for the future
Rather let player going for free than at least getting something when he does leave... I see it all now
Think we have to give him a release clause. This is the reality we helped create with the Coutinho saga.
fecking release clauses. That said, we surely then have to give him one considering he's developing nicely into a really capable midfielder. Makes no sense to let him go for free next season if we can agree on a release clause of say 70m€. Maybe more even.
€70m for Can with 6 months left on his contract? Good luck.
Edit: Unless you mean he signs a new one with that put in so he still gets to go in Jan? Not sure why he would do that though.
he wont have 6 months left if he signs a contract with said release clause.
See above.
He's never agreeing to that, I guess his side is asking for it to be around £20-30M since he all but agreed to join Juve next summer anyway. Juve won't be advising him to have enormous clause included and rather pays him additional millions as a sign on bonus to offset the potential early salary increase, which benefits Can as well.
Why the feck would he agree to that? Liverpool have left it late, now they've to agree to what Can is asking for in terms of wages and release clause or he'll just go on a free. Many of your players will start asking for release clauses now that Coutinho hasn't gone to Barcelona.
Liverpool won't have any players left wanting to play for them at this rate 
Even Keita will have a change of heart once it's confirmed they wont be in the top 4 this season.
Even Keita will have a change of heart once it's confirmed they wont be in the top 4 this season.
I think release clauses have to be the future in any contract. In Spain it's already mandatory I believe? This will also avoid a lot of trouble if a player wants to leave and someone wants to buy.
I meant as in he signs a new contract with a release clause. I have no idea where Can wants to be, but if we could get him to sign a new deal with a release clause, then surely that would be the best outcome for both parties. Unless of course he insists on leaving next summer.
But if he's already agreed to sign for Juve next summer, then a potential release clause is a moot point. I'm hoping he hasn't, as I think he's going to be a class act.
It's a good indicator of talent when you're wanted by one of the best talent evaluators in the world(juventus's DF Fabio Paratici). The fact that juventus offered €30m for him, with one year left on his deal, is proof that Paratici thinks very highly of him indeed. And if Paratici thinks highly of him, chances are he's seriously talented
It's clear he wants a release clause because he wants to leave if the likes of Juve come back for him, not a release clause à la Isco at €700m. Can will probably argue that even €40m is too high at this point and he holds all the cards because he can leave on a free next Summer otherwise. I think we left it too late to settle this one and should've simply agreed to his wage demands last year. Bringing in Keïta next year is nice and all that but it makes little to no difference if one of our other best midfielders leaves the club. I guess Can really wants to win trophies since we can probably offer him higher wages than Juve will.
In the end, if he's asking for a release clause, he holds all the cards and it will be a very low one which ensures that he can leave next Summer or whenever he wants to. Not looking good, this one.
In the end, if he's asking for a release clause, he holds all the cards and it will be a very low one which ensures that he can leave next Summer or whenever he wants to. Not looking good, this one.
Not sure about that. I mean you could, yes, but i'm not sure you're willing to. Isn't your highest paid player on something like £150k a week? Juventus pay more to their players i think. They offered Can more money too
Nobody hold all the cards. Liverpool also has to weigh all the negatives vs. a small release figure.
1) Other players also asking for (cheap) release clauses.
2) Long-term planning security and roster destabilisation in the future, including the commitment of the player to the club.
An extension with a very cheap release clause is only an immediate injury/performance insurance for Can. I don´t think it makes any sense for Liverpool to agree to a release clause below €30M. Can has leverage to ask for a reasonable clause like €30-50M, that won´t block a move, if he outperforms his contract significantly and gives him re-negotiation power, but it makes no sense for either Juventus or Liverpool to have a very cheap release clause.
He is that's why we want him to stay. Most people only use the eye test, the reality is the worst patch of form he's ever had for us ( 6 months at the beginning of last season) coincided with him managing an ongoing injury. He's an extremely talented player with a potentially very high ceiling. ,
What is the general consensus on Can as a footballer these days @RobinLFC ? I have been over to RAWK a couple of times and certainly last season he took a lot of stick from fans on some of his performances. I always found this strange because whenever I have seen him play he looks, technically at least, like a really good young player?
Much improved. He´s always been very good technically, but his decision-making and pace with the ball were far too slow. He has picked up those aspect of his game this year, which has elevated his game to another level.
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all though. Options : Let him go on a free next Summer or sign a new contract with say a £40m release clause ? OK he can go for free