Yet none of them are wingers per se. none of them have the pace of a Salah or Mane (or even Moreno !) and so can't play the same way, we are simply not as devastating on the break without a fast winger .. as Mane's loss demonstrated last season. Origi is fast too, but not in the same class skills-wise.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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Liverpool don't have the best attack in the league because they don't have a top striker who will get 30 goals. Sometimes they can look great but they struggle to break sides down who sit back and too often draw a blank or score a single goal in those games.
Jose's mate - likes to stir things up, is my pigeon-hole for him.
The pattern of LFC signings suggests to me that this is (or hopefully not) a Klopp Evolution rather than a Klopp Revolution.
If you look at the age profile & so on - also fits a leaning towards the moneyball / resale theory too, innit?
Salah, Robertson (lovely left foot), Karius, any other, dunno?
If you look at the age profile & so on - also fits a leaning towards the moneyball / resale theory too, innit?
Salah, Robertson (lovely left foot), Karius, any other, dunno?
When he said Coutinho won't train, he got loads of abuse and finally he was spot on.
Lemar and van dijk please 
Is there any such rule that you must have a striker to be called a good attack?
Liverpool dont need a striker the way they play, the burden of goals is shared by all the attacking midfielders .
Last season mane scored 15, coutinho 14, fermino 10+ , origi 11, lallana 8, milnar 8 and so on. Its related to how the manager wants the team to play.
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There is no rule but unless 3 of the players you mention hit a LOT of goals, Liverpool won't score enough.
It's easy to say Liverpool have a great attack when they spank a side but then ignore/forget the times they have drawn a blank. Yes, all sides struggle sometimes to break down a massed defence. But the fact is Liverpool don't have the best attack if you take goals scored as the deciding factor.
Have they ever been PL top scorers? Maybe when Suarez was there, can't be bothered to check. Were they top scorers last season? Will they be this? Are they right now? No, not in my opinion and no again.
It's easy to say Liverpool have a great attack when they spank a side but then ignore/forget the times they have drawn a blank. Yes, all sides struggle sometimes to break down a massed defence. But the fact is Liverpool don't have the best attack if you take goals scored as the deciding factor.
Have they ever been PL top scorers? Maybe when Suarez was there, can't be bothered to check. Were they top scorers last season? Will they be this? Are they right now? No, not in my opinion and no again.
I think it's safe to say that if there's one area Liverpool will not struggle in, it's scoring goals.
Agreed but that wasn't the original discussion. But you're right, would be better to discuss the defence and keeper.
Why they keep buying midfielders and attackers, when their attack is one of the best in the league, instead of improving their defense and gk, i'll never understand.
We'll never hear the end of 'Ox chosing them over Chelsea'.
We'll never hear the end of 'Ox chosing them over Chelsea'.
I think it's very similar to Wenger, almost like they both have a blindspot.
Liverpool will have no problem in scoring goals, they go for player who can interchange in positions and press with intensity. They need a proper anchor in the midfield with a centre back who can communicate and organise. If they are able to sign VVD, i think he would be a good partner for Matip who i like anyway. TAA and Robertson not proven yet but look promising from the little I've seen of them,
Yeah. Matic for instance would have been a dream signing alongside a commanding CB like VVD.
Yep, Matic in Henderson's positions with VVD would have been perfect for you guys.
I reckon our Nainggolan could do the job for you as well...not that i want you sign him as we really need him! you've already taken Salah!
Signing Radja only to play him at CDM woukd reduce half of his capabilities and would be a waste.
I would have loved that. I don't think we currently have a decent holding midfielder and it'd help us out so much.
I'm not sure Klopp likes to play with one though. His midfields are usually attack heavy.
That's a very good point, Henderson was pressing high up against Arsenal and had a few chances to score. I do wonder if Klopp intends to play Keita in Henderson's position but with the authority to roam around the pitch. Though I at first imagine he would take Coutinho's/Can's position...
True but he would be required to press high which will create attacking opportunities. Though truth be told i'm basing this on seeing Henderson press high but you would be better placed to comment if he does that every game.
I do agree with you, not on the part that Liverpool will not succeed because they do not have a 30 goal striker but Liverpool will not succeed because Klopp is somewhat like Wenger.
Klopp is trying to instill his philosophy of "moving forward and dying as a team" into Liverpool, but this philosophy seems to be working better than Wenger or LVG's philosophy at this moment. Klopp's philosophy works like a Japanese sales department, in which the salesman does not get extra commission for success or get fired for failure, but the whole team gets the recognition as well as the blame together as a unit. Klopp wants his forwards, 2 midfielders and 2 wingbacks to press and make runs like a team without role specialization. This means that Sturridge can be a central striker, but he can suddenly drop into a right forward position and allow Can to run into the middle and become the striker. If ball is lost, then the team has to close down together to win it back asap. So even if Suarez were still around, Suarez would have to retreat to the flanks and set up a team player and he might not be a 30 goal striker anymore.
This sometimes works against them especially during matches against weak teams. Weak teams can just put 10 men in the box and block all the access into the box. In situations like these, Liverpool will benefit from a specialized striker like Benteke who can just stand in the middle of the penalty box and wait for rebounds or crosses, without having the extra responsibility of running out. So this is where he is somewhat like Wenger, because he won't change his philosophy to get the win.
Again, I am not the coach but a keyboard warrior. Klopp will know better than me on how to win games.
He had Bender at BVB but in a two. When Phil goes next summer a shift back to his favoured 4-2-3-1 might be on the cards. Keita is a shoe in for the Gundogan role and Can may be for the other but if he doesn't sign a contract, I can actually see us signing a DM for the first time in 8 years.
Quite clearly bollocks. We scored just 8 less than Chelsea last season. 8. And have added a 14-15 goals a season winger. I'd rather have goals spread across the team than be reliant on a Kane or Lukaku.
John Flanagan looked a better prospect than them all in Rodgers' 2013/14 team and he couldn't get a game at Burnley last season.
Defenders, particularly young ones, need protection. They will not get that playing in a Jürgen Klopp team. I genuinely can't see them amounting to much considering they'll be eviscerated every single time on the break against a pacy, incisive attack.
He is an elite Henderson, but Henderson at this moment lacks nous and often fails to track runners. When the whole team's pressing it's fine but it's also often why we concede. It is very much a double edges sword. We give our attackers a lot of freedom and Hendos energy, his greatest asset is used to sweep all over the park and cover all the ground left behind. There's very few players in football who could match him for that. In theory a Matic sounds perfect but the lack of mobility would severely hamper us. It would work well in certain games ala Lucas last season vs Everton at home. He won every second ball and the minute the ball dropped off Lukaku he was there to nick it off him.
Lucas's brain and passing range was several levels above Henderson's but his legs were not which is why one was far superior at this moment. The Lucas of 2011 would be perfect but that player died when his ACL went.
We do need a CB however and VVD is the one. Keita is an exceptional player in both areas of the game we are fortunate we got him and it's a postive we are signing players that are of the few that can genuinely make the way we play viable for success.
If we didn't make these acquisitions it would be pretty football but never winning anything. If all goes to plan we could have a chance to do something special in these next few years.
You can hardly claim that he got that protection in Rodgers side. They conceded more goals than 11th placed Crystal Palace and only 3 less than 16th placed Hull.
Have Liverpool been presented with the Premier League trophy yet? Beat a spineless Arsenal team and agree a deal to sign a player next year and the Liverpool lot are in here acting the Billy Big Bollocks again.
It's great to see!
It's great to see!
I never insinuated that at all. I'm making the point that Rodgers and Klopp play similar systems, and that Flanagan, who looked very good for Rodgers and much more impressive than Arnold and Robertson has for Klopp thus far, hasn't amounted to anything.
Young defenders need protection and the aforementioned won't get that under Klopp. Flanagan can't even get in the squad under Klopp and he looked an England possibility not three seasons ago. I wouldn't be getting carried away with Arnold and Robertson just yet.
Who's acting Billy Big Bollocks? As far as I can tell, all of the Liverpool fans in here agree, that our team could do with a good CB and possibly a DM as well.
I genuinely don't know where you're getting this from.
The giddiness is back. Multiple Liverpool supporters chiming in to the thread since Sunday. There wasn't a peep in here a fortnight back when Watford took points from you and Coutinho was handing in transfer requests. Palace should've got something at Anfield the following week and it was the same then. Only when you beat a spineless Arsenal team and get linked to some new signings, one of which won't happen this season, has the giddiness returned. To make matters even more hilarious, the other signings you've been linked with are all players in areas you're already well stocked in. There seems to be no alternative to van Dijk. Literally nothing has changed in the past few days to warrant the giddiness on show, but continue on, don't let us stop you.
Flanagan was never a big prospect.
My points were related to a specific discussion about whether Liverpool had the best attack in the PL.
Goals aren't the issue for Liverpool, it's conceding them at the other end that's the problem. Until that problem is fixed, Liverpool will struggle over the course of a long season.
You simply do not win the premier league with a below average defense.
Flanagan went through a stellar period form in 2013/14. He made the left-full position his own and was a constant marauder down the flank, as well as being solid in defence. As young full-backs go, it was a good first full season in the team.
Anyway, the point I made was simple: Flanagan looked impressive for a young full-back initially but ultimately has amounted to nothing due to a manager failing to prioritise defence. I suspect the same eventuality for Arnold and Robertson.
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You might remember him better as "Flanno" and he was hailed as a potential great.
Do Liverpool have any sort of youth system? Or is that just left to Everton?
Question for Liverpool fans, do any of you actually rate Henderson? From a rival fan's point of view I don't think he's anywhere near good enough to start for a top six side and the fact that he's your club captain is laughable to me.
Also, I agree with what people are saying in here that Liverpool need a defensive midfielder and a centre back but I'm still under the impression that Liverpool's defensive woes are more down to Klopp's tactics.
Also, I agree with what people are saying in here that Liverpool need a defensive midfielder and a centre back but I'm still under the impression that Liverpool's defensive woes are more down to Klopp's tactics.
Really? He was sure talked up as one.
Is it that time of the year already? Oh well here goes....
