Liverpool - 2017/18

You need some valium or something. Always pessimistic and nervous when it comes to United.

Very negative character.

United haven't conceded a single goal in the PL yet whilst Liverpool shipped 3 against Watford, ambled to a one goal win over a truly terrible Crystal Palace and comfortably beat one of the worst Arsenal sides in years at Anfield... Yet you're soiling yourself in fear. Why? feck knows.
Just looking it at an objective point of view but i can see why your taking it as a defeatist attitude. I reckon we have a biggest chance of winning the league but we have to be wary of Liverpool.

And yeah i do sound like i've given up haha think yesterday wasn't my day.
 
Not understanding the hype myself, people saying they have the best attack in the league etc. Salah looks okay but has missed a lot of sitters already. Firmino world hard but is only a good player, not a world class striker. Mane is obviously fantastic.

Arsenal were fecking awful, like relegation fodder awful but they set up to beat Liverpool at their own game which is ridiculous. The other 2 games 3 all draw and scraping a 1-0 home win. Sounds like same as last season to me.

Not getting what you are trying to conclude when you say salah is ok but missed some sitters? Lukaku has missed a pen and a simple tap in against Madrid so should we say lukaku has been "OK" but missed a few?
 
Not getting what you are trying to conclude when you say salah is ok but missed some sitters? Lukaku has missed a pen and a simple tap in against Madrid so should we say lukaku has been "OK" but missed a few?

Say what you like about Lukaku. I'm saying Salah is only an okay player, what do you think he's world class?
 
Say what you like about Lukaku. I'm saying Salah is only an okay player, what do you think he's world class?

Salah seems to be more than ok in fairness, seems sharp, quick and knows how to score.

If these deals work out, you'd have to say they have recruited well. Still not convinced by Can despite the hype, good going forward but I don't think he's a solution as a sweeper/DM, none of the rest of them fit that mould either (No way is Henderson a DM).
 
Salah seems to be more than ok in fairness, seems sharp, quick and knows how to score.

If these deals work out, you'd have to say they have recruited well. Still not convinced by Can despite the hype, good going forward but I don't think he's a solution as a sweeper/DM, none of the rest of them fit that mould either (No way is Henderson a DM).

He's nowhere near Mane and I think he will have a good start to the season and then his limitations will start to show. His end product is very hit and miss.
 
He's nowhere near Mane and I think he will have a good start to the season and then his limitations will start to show. His end product is very hit and miss.

15 goals and 11 assists last season. 14 goals and six assists the season before. It's a bit of a lazy stereotype that because he is a skillful, pacy winger his end product is inconsistent. Considering the type of player he is, his end product is very good.
 
They've had a horror show of a transfer window.

They're so good in the big games under Klopp and last year we're going really well for a while. They didn't have the squad to continue and looked burnt out and absolutely rubbish towards the end of the season, going from title contenders to scraping 4th on the last day. They were leaking far too many goals all season.

Now they have European football to juggle and they still have a paper-thin squad full of average players. They've not added any defenders and we've already seen evidence this season of how catastrophic they can be at the back. How they haven't spend money there is beyond me...they HAVE to do it before the window shuts. I'd even argue them not getting a new keeper in is a disaster.

I still think Klopp is doing a decent job there and they will have a few more results like they did on Sunday. Their transfer window has been awful though and I think it will be a struggle to get top 4.
 
They've had a horror show of a transfer window.

They're so good in the big games under Klopp and last year we're going really well for a while. They didn't have the squad to continue and looked burnt out and absolutely rubbish towards the end of the season, going from title contenders to scraping 4th on the last day. They were leaking far too many goals all season.

Now they have European football to juggle and they still have a paper-thin squad full of average players. They've not added any defenders and we've already seen evidence this season of how catastrophic they can be at the back. How they haven't spend money there is beyond me...they HAVE to do it before the window shuts. I'd even argue them not getting a new keeper in is a disaster.

I still think Klopp is doing a decent job there and they will have a few more results like they did on Sunday. Their transfer window has been awful though and I think it will be a struggle to get top 4.
Given that we're three games into the season and the window still hasn't shut, I think it's a bit premature to be making statements about anyone's chances right now.

Also our dip last season came in January/February. We finished the season fairly well.
 
They've had a horror show of a transfer window.

They're so good in the big games under Klopp and last year we're going really well for a while. They didn't have the squad to continue and looked burnt out and absolutely rubbish towards the end of the season, going from title contenders to scraping 4th on the last day. They were leaking far too many goals all season.

Now they have European football to juggle and they still have a paper-thin squad full of average players. They've not added any defenders and we've already seen evidence this season of how catastrophic they can be at the back. How they haven't spend money there is beyond me...they HAVE to do it before the window shuts. I'd even argue them not getting a new keeper in is a disaster.

I still think Klopp is doing a decent job there and they will have a few more results like they did on Sunday. Their transfer window has been awful though and I think it will be a struggle to get top 4.

I wouldn't say that. Salah looks like a really good buy and hopefully Robertson will turn out good as well. We got Keita too from next season, which is exciting. I do however agree with you that we're still thin in defence and CB in particular. Second choice is Lovren and third Klavan. The mind boggles.

I'm hoping that the final days of the transfer window will see us resolve that. We were very interested in VVD so Klopp must see some of the same things as us fans do.
 
Given that we're three games into the season and the window still hasn't shut, I think it's a bit premature to be making statements about anyone's chances right now.

Also our dip last season came in January/February. We finished the season fairly well.
Well yeah I agree.
 
United haven't conceded a single goal in the PL yet whilst Liverpool shipped 3 against Watford, ambled to a one goal win over a truly terrible Crystal Palace and comfortably beat one of the worst Arsenal sides in years at Anfield... Yet you're soiling yourself in fear. Why? feck knows.
Mourinho has a poor record against Klopp, who has the best record (by far) against top 6 sides.

I don't think any United fans fear Liverpool because they will challenge them for the title. I think they fear a trip to Anfield because of how good Liverpool can be (at their best)

Similary, I don't fear Sevilla or Valencia as some kind of challengers, but I do dread those away games.
 
Mourinho has a poor record against Klopp, who has the best record (by far) against top 6 sides.

I don't think any United fans fear Liverpool because they will challenge them for the title. I think they fear a trip to Anfield because of how good Liverpool can be (at their best)

Similary, I don't fear Sevilla or Valencia as some kind of challengers, but I do dread those away games.

Just wanted to check this as I couldn't remember the last time we struggled at Anfield in the prem. Turns out our last loss there was a 1 nil back in 2013.
 
Say what you like about Lukaku. I'm saying Salah is only an okay player, what do you think he's world class?
There's a million degrees between those two extremes .. and I'd say Salah is far more than just an OK player even if talk of him being WC is clearly ridiculous.
 
He's nowhere near Mane and I think he will have a good start to the season and then his limitations will start to show. His end product is very hit and miss.
Whilst I agree he is, to an extent, a bit hit and miss, I'm not sure what you mean by 'his limitations will show'. You mean like they have so far ? Why is his form likely to tail off ? It didn't at Roma as his exceptional stats there prove.
 
They've had a horror show of a transfer window.

They're so good in the big games under Klopp and last year we're going really well for a while. They didn't have the squad to continue and looked burnt out and absolutely rubbish towards the end of the season, going from title contenders to scraping 4th on the last day. They were leaking far too many goals all season.

Now they have European football to juggle and they still have a paper-thin squad full of average players. They've not added any defenders and we've already seen evidence this season of how catastrophic they can be at the back. How they haven't spend money there is beyond me...they HAVE to do it before the window shuts. I'd even argue them not getting a new keeper in is a disaster.

I still think Klopp is doing a decent job there and they will have a few more results like they did on Sunday. Their transfer window has been awful though and I think it will be a struggle to get top 4.
Actually the only horror show is that post !

Just to pick you up on one point though; we have indeed added defenders, two if you want to count Gomez' return after missing virtually a couple of season with injuries, so Robertson and Gomez, who have both already shown they have added to depth in the FB slots. It's really only at CB we where we need to strengthen immediately (GK is an on-going and unresolved debate).
 
Actually the only horror show is that post !

Just to pick you up on one point though; we have indeed added defenders, two if you want to count Gomez' return after missing virtually a couple of season with injuries, so Robertson and Gomez, who have both already shown they have added to depth in the FB slots. It's really only at CB we where we need to strengthen immediately (GK is an on-going and unresolved debate).
Yep. Salah, a signing of a player in the position you were strongest and you only signing, is a good window. If you want to pretend that's all good with me. I enjoy the boom-bust cycle as much as the next man.
 
Whilst I agree he is, to an extent, a bit hit and miss, I'm not sure what you mean by 'his limitations will show'. You mean like they have so far ? Why is his form likely to tail off ? It didn't at Roma as his exceptional stats there prove.

That's purely my opinion that he will have a good start and tail off, I base this on similar players I've seen before. Of course I could be completely wrong, it's just an opinion.

His limitations are that he doesn't have reliable end product and in my experience players like this can enter a bad patch of form as confidence can drop. Off the top of my head examples Pedro, Di Maria, Son.
 
I don't get everyone talking down Liverpool, they finished higher than us last season, we didn't beat them last season, and they are far more deadly and exciting going forward. Neither of us are winning the league this season, there isn't much being us and them, but every talks about them like they're a mid-table side.

Deadly and exciting only until December though. Remember their form last January. Now that Mane doesn't have AFCON, let's see if he gets gegenpressed to exhaustion by January, especially when CL and cup games kick in.
 
15 goals and 11 assists last season. 14 goals and six assists the season before. It's a bit of a lazy stereotype that because he is a skillful, pacy winger his end product is inconsistent. Considering the type of player he is, his end product is very good.

Darmian was the next best coming out of Serie A and Cuadrado / Salah didnt exactly pull the trees when they were here.

Give them space and they will tore you apart. Salah wouldnt get time and space like he did against Arsenal.

With the current team , they will struggle for top 4. Add Keita and Lemar , you are a shoe in for top 4
 
Mourinho has a poor record against Klopp, who has the best record (by far) against top 6 sides.

I don't think any United fans fear Liverpool because they will challenge them for the title. I think they fear a trip to Anfield because of how good Liverpool can be (at their best)

Similary, I don't fear Sevilla or Valencia as some kind of challengers, but I do dread those away games.

Lost one league game there since 2011.

What is Mourinho's record against Klopp?
 
Mourinho has a poor record against Klopp, who has the best record (by far) against top 6 sides.

I don't think any United fans fear Liverpool because they will challenge them for the title. I think they fear a trip to Anfield because of how good Liverpool can be (at their best)

Similary, I don't fear Sevilla or Valencia as some kind of challengers, but I do dread those away games.

Sort of agree, in that Pool can eviscerate practically anyone in the league on their day, but don't have the depth and defensive nous to win the league. We've a good record at Anfield in recent years though, I generally dread a trip to Stamford Bridge the most.
 
Sort of agree, in that Pool can eviscerate practically anyone in the league on their day, but don't have the depth and defensive nous to win the league. We've a good record at Anfield in recent years though, I generally dread a trip to Stamford Bridge the most.


2 wins there in 15 years. Only one league win.

fecking shocking record.
 
2 wins there in 15 years. Only one league win.

fecking shocking record.

Yep, incredible really. Even when I started going with my dad in the 90's long pre-Oligarch they always seemed to be able to beat us (to me anyway, I used to think the same about Everton but think I was just traumatised by that FA cup final)
 
Yep. Salah, a signing of a player in the position you were strongest and you only signing, is a good window. If you want to pretend that's all good with me. I enjoy the boom-bust cycle as much as the next man.
In a position in which we were strongest ?! We only had Mane as a winger !
 
Deadly and exciting only until December though. Remember their form last January. Now that Mane doesn't have AFCON, let's see if he gets gegenpressed to exhaustion by January, especially when CL and cup games kick in.
Time and time again people keep up this "look at what happened in January'. Please think about what you are saying, Mane was missing and we had a horrific injury list that affected many / most of our top players, it's no surprise we dropped off with such a small squad .. it did however, have nothing to do with tiredness from gegen-pressing !
 
Good last year and in the slip season, shit in 2015, 14, 12, 11, 10. Not really normally good.

Are you talking about at Old Trafford?

We were the better side in almost all of those games.

09/10, 10/11, 11/12 and 12/13 we won all those deservedly.
 
In a position in which we were strongest ?! We only had Mane as a winger !

Sitting on the fence, while Salah and Mane are your only two wingers, Lallana,Origi?,Firminio,Coutinho/Gini? etc have played as wide forwards, albeit they tend to cut in/rotate rather than give you the width Salah and Mane do.
 
If Liverpool can get in a quality CB before the window closes they'll be in good shape to get top 4. Another CM, particularly a natural holding player, would also help a lot. It's fun to troll them and I'll always support doing that, but I do think they have good depth and enough potency in attack that I fancy them to get CL qualification again this season.
 
Sitting on the fence, while Salah and Mane are your only two wingers, Lallana,Origi?,Firminio,Coutinho/Gini? etc have played as wide forwards, albeit they tend to cut in/rotate rather than give you the width Salah and Mane do.
That's the whole point. We had a bunch of players who prefer to work in front of the defence. Mane (and Sturridge, lol) was the only one who did good work in behind the defence.