I think the last week or so is going to be really frantic, more so than normal. Bet Jim White can't wait!
Let's hope we sign a centre back soon anyway.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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I think the last week or so is going to be really frantic, more so than normal. Bet Jim White can't wait!
Let's hope we sign a centre back soon anyway.
It's true that it doesn't really register when the level of success you're used to is winning back to back league titles and reaching three Champions League finals in four seasons.
We've hit a bit of a barren patch, but we've still lifted the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa League (and two Community Shields lol) in that time.
You lot laughing at it when it's all you've won since 2005/06 is absolutely mental, especially when losing the fecking thing (alongside the Europa League) was a big sign of how Klopp was getting you back on top the other year.
No one's claiming the League Cup, the Europa League or FA Cup are equivalent to league titles or Champions Leagues, but they absolutely are great things to be winning when you aren't challenging for the league. If Liverpool had been winning FA Cups, League Cups and Europa Leagues with any regularity over the last 12 years you may have a point, but you haven't because you've won feck all.
The Liverpool fans saying "United fans counting League Cup LMAO" seem to have ignored the I post to which replied too which stated that they finished over United in two seasons after Fergie has left and had a superior average position or whatever the feck he meant. Celebrating 2nd tier trophies such as Europa Cup etc means the standard have dropped but pointing out that the club has finished over Man Utd as if it's some kind of achievement doesn't mean small time at all.
Anyway it's still funny to see them discount the trophies we've won especially considering they've won feck all in the last decade, but anyhoo given their constant state of delusion, I guess it's tough to talk some sense into them.
It's worthwhile when you're not winning the PL every other year. It's important for both players and fans to win trophies and get to celebrate once in a while.
We'd all end up deluded and bitter, like Liverpool fans, if we won feck all for decades.
Re: The standards have fallen thing. Well ofcourse they've fallen. Would the United fans have accepted the Europa Cup and League Cup as good seasons under Ferguson? Hell no. But given how we've fared in the first three seasons after Ferguson's retirement, it's only normal that any trophy win will be seen as a good thing and if you add the possible bonus of CL Qualification, then that's something else. Hopefully we'll get to the level of Man Utd of Ferguson's reign but until that we're happy with the progress.
United fans know the reality of the situation after just three four bad years. Liverpool fans still don't after twenty years of mediocrity.
United fans know the reality of the situation after just three four bad years. Liverpool fans still don't after twenty years of mediocrity.
"Superior average finish placing" is clearly much better than winning trophies like we have foolishly done.
What the hell were Utd thinking???
These Liverpool fans are so lucky, what tremendous success they've enjoyed recently.
What the hell were Utd thinking???
These Liverpool fans are so lucky, what tremendous success they've enjoyed recently.
What, again?
Dropping some digs on opposition supporters never led to constructive discussions, so there's no point in judging supporters by those "discussions".
I think it's hard to deny LFC was poor for a decade or so. As well as that we're improving lately.
Though MU still has a superior pulling power and wealth, you shouldn't expect this to last forever. So you may throw digs at us, but be cautious - the league is too competitive atm, and if you don't recover quick enough you may find yourselves in a situation we 're too familiar with.
Dropping some digs on opposition supporters never led to constructive discussions, so there's no point in judging supporters by those "discussions".
I think it's hard to deny LFC was poor for a decade or so. As well as that we're improving lately.
Though MU still has a superior pulling power and wealth, you shouldn't expect this to last forever. So you may throw digs at us, but be cautious - the league is too competitive atm, and if you don't recover quick enough you may find yourselves in a situation we 're too familiar with.
Now that English teams can't win the champions league, and the financial advantage has fallen somewhat relatively speaking, it has now been decided that certain cups are more worthwhile than qualifying for the champions league through the league, where 10 years ago that wasn't the case.
Regardless of that, Liverpool have ultimately been fairly shite. But because Liverpool need Champions League football much more than United (and every other top 6 club bar Spurs) to attract players, if the club is going to continue to improve the champions league has to take precedence over other cups.
It shouldn't be about comparing them to other clubs, it should be about improving to the point where winning regularly becomes possible.
As for Liverpool's chances this season it looks like a lot of faith is about to be put on Lovren to not be shit and for Henderson to consistently perform at close to his maximum capabilities, which is certainly a gamble. The squad is thin but I see them ultimately (draw dependent) going out in the last 16 of the CL, being poor in the domestic cups, but finishing fourth again.
Not awful, but Coutinho will leave next summer and it's another step back.
Regardless of that, Liverpool have ultimately been fairly shite. But because Liverpool need Champions League football much more than United (and every other top 6 club bar Spurs) to attract players, if the club is going to continue to improve the champions league has to take precedence over other cups.
It shouldn't be about comparing them to other clubs, it should be about improving to the point where winning regularly becomes possible.
As for Liverpool's chances this season it looks like a lot of faith is about to be put on Lovren to not be shit and for Henderson to consistently perform at close to his maximum capabilities, which is certainly a gamble. The squad is thin but I see them ultimately (draw dependent) going out in the last 16 of the CL, being poor in the domestic cups, but finishing fourth again.
Not awful, but Coutinho will leave next summer and it's another step back.
That's the reason why it is better to sell him now. To cash in and not to keep an unhappy player.
Standards haven't fallen at all. We have taken it as a good season not a great one. Have you seen fans indulge in revelry and convivial celebrations?
In fact, the response to the Europa Cup win has been fairly measured for a club that hasn't won anything of note for the last 4 years and have gone through three managers.
That obviously makes absolutely zero sense this close to the end of the window. Less than zero actually.
As it stands I'd take all of that right now. Though I think we may make the quarters in the CL (draw dependant and assuming we come through against Hoffenheim who I'm not underestimating at all).
However I do think we'll get VVD and at least another 'first team competitive' midfielder (though I've no doubt Klopp will be trying to tie down Keita for next January/Summer). If that's the case then I'd hope that we'd be competitive in the PL too (bar City who I believe are going to walk it). Overall I don't think the squad is as thin as some think it is, as last season it was shorn for virtually the whole campaign of Sturridge, Ings, Gomez, Ejaria and Grujic and there were very long periods out for Henderson & Mane and others too.
That's effectively 5 added to the squad plus the three we've bought, if we get another two in then that's ten that aren't the kids we were relying on to fill the bench and play cup matches last season, and even those kids have come on and may be more effective fillers this season too.
It's hard to gauge how "unhappy" he is, as it stands there is no evidence he is kicking up a fuss.
That doesn't mean he isn't interested in a Barca move, at some point that may happen but probably not in this window.
Also the way the market is and the problems we have had acquiring the top targets having even more cash available doesn't mean we would be able to spend it.
Right I've got a question. (I haven't read back at all, btw)
This is it, anyway.
How far-fetched is the scenario that Fenway sell Coutinhoff regardless of what Jurgen wants & Jurgen decides he can't work under those kind of low net spend lovers & decides to bugger off?
This is it, anyway.
How far-fetched is the scenario that Fenway sell Coutinhoff regardless of what Jurgen wants & Jurgen decides he can't work under those kind of low net spend lovers & decides to bugger off?
FSG don't normally say too much, but I would assume the fact the club have rejected 2 bids comes from the club and not just from Jurgen.
However, it is a fair question whether it will be tested if they bid again remains to be seen.
All indications are we aren't selling him as it stands.
Given we wanted to buy Keita and Van Dijk suggests the manager was given a lot of funds to spend this summer, the fact they haven't come about doesn't mean we would sell our best players as a result - quite the opposite probably in that we are being as stubborn as Leipzig are.
I don't think your scenario is far fetched, but I think it is unlikely based upon what we know.
The low net spend last summer was unusual as we got rid of a heck of a lot of players surplus to requirements for decent money, this window was always going to be less frantic but the aim being to add a smaller number of quality players (before we totally messed up the Van Dijk transfer and got knocked back big time on Keita that is).
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I think it's very likely that Klopp will seriously consider calling it a day, especially when he thinks back to his Dortmund days & constantly having his best players taken off him. I personally don't think we'll see Coutinho in a Liverpool shirt again. I reckon that behind the scenes we're frantically trying to find some kind of replacement before the transfer window closes. As much as some of my fellow Liverpool supporters are remaining optimistic because the window is still open, every day that passes without any signings is a day closer to something of a nightmare scenario for us.
Without a doubt it's a bad window if we sign no one else. If we lose Coutinho and sign no one then it's goodbye top four for another x many years.
The whole point of dropping over the CL line was to sign top-ish players this summer. Not 'appear' to be signing them.
The whole point of dropping over the CL line was to sign top-ish players this summer. Not 'appear' to be signing them.
Surely though mate you would think we are desperate to sort out the CM and especially the CB positions as a priority?
If Coutinho does leave `I am not sure we would be after a direct replacement.
We wanted Keita and Van Dijk to add to what we have not replace anyone, but those haven't happened, you would assume the aim is to find alternatives.
Exactly. Liverpool fans need to let go of the idea they are a big club, they haven't been for decades. In truth, a lot of United fans need to let go of the idea we can dominate in the same way. It won't happen with the way so many clubs have money. But...we still won more last season than the Kop lot have in however long!
That official statement is pretty clear. No way they are gonna sell Coutinho now.
Great news regarding Coutinho. Top few players in the league and not peaked. I suspect he will have a great season
Fantastic news r.e Coutinho. Thanks FSG, now if he goes next year after a James type world cup we can get exactly what his value deserves and move on. So many on here (unsurprisingly) were getting ready to dish out the 
had he moved. Call it small time but keeping him is as important as making a signing.
had he moved. Call it small time but keeping him is as important as making a signing.It'll be interesting to see how we peform in the next two fixtures without him, still don't know if this back issue is a legitimate injury. That Hoffenheim game has come too soon I fear.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/271640-philippe-coutinho-ruled-out-of-watford-clash
Coutinho is rule out tomorrow.
Coutinho is rule out tomorrow.
We're locking transfer threads when the clubs say they aren't selling now?
Christ that's half the transfer forum shut, RAWK would be proud.
Christ that's half the transfer forum shut, RAWK would be proud.
Hopefully Southampton follow suit and stop Van Dijk leaving.
I think Liverpool have a chance of top four this season but it's a slim one. I mean they haven't strengthened their midfield (which I just don't rate at all) and their defence is still a bit suspect.
If they're clinical and score tons of goals they might get away with it and sneak into the top four but I would predict 5th or 6th before the season kicks off.
Keeping Coutinho is obviously a good thing for them but I'm not quite sure that's going to matter a great deal without reinforcements elsewhere.
If they're clinical and score tons of goals they might get away with it and sneak into the top four but I would predict 5th or 6th before the season kicks off.
Keeping Coutinho is obviously a good thing for them but I'm not quite sure that's going to matter a great deal without reinforcements elsewhere.
Difference is VVD has put in a transfer request. I really can't see them letting him "rot in the reserves", but we will see I guess.
I know what you're saying but Klopp disagrees. Buying Salah was, in part, to allow Coutinho to be relieved of forward duties. He spent nearly all of last season as part of a front three. He now has players to allow him to be considered a midfielder.
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Just read that Barca have had to cancel Coutinho's unveiling at 'the last minute' today because #LFC won't sell. Those pesky little details.
Just read that Barca have had to cancel Coutinho's unveiling at 'the last minute' today because #LFC won't sell. Those pesky little details.
Silly from Liverpool if those 100m+ offers were real.
He wouldn't stay in the reserves though, if Southampton put their foot down and decide to not sell him, then he'll return to their line-up once the window has closed.
I agree we need quality in CM and unless we sort the centre of defence out we are always likely to concede goals.
However, most wouldn't have predicted us for top 4 last season either.
What @PickledRed also says is a good point in the way we might line up, plus the likes of Grujic now fit means he might actually be able to show what he can do now.
I am hopeful about the season, but a new centre back is a must.
Disagree. Who do Liverpool buy who is anywhere near as good and already suited to Klopp's approach? This market is insane. Even Barca are struggling to part with bundles
or maybe not
Appears he has handed in a transfer request.
Oh fuuuuuuuck
Funny isn't it?
They should let Van Dijk leave, he handed transfer request, at least Coutinho didn't. 30 mins later, boooooooooommmmmm