If this is true it's just another reason to love Messi because he would have had a say imo.
Liverpool - 2017/18
- Thread starter Rafateria
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You're not a Liverpool fan - you're far too realistic and not deluded!
Both had that real small time way of conducting themselves.
Moyes with classics like saying we would "try and make it hard" for Newcastle at our own bloody ground!
Hinting they might be done.
Huge risk imo. They ran out of steam in December even though they weren't playing in Europe.
Could be disastrous with more games.
Huge risk imo. They ran out of steam in December even though they weren't playing in Europe.
Could be disastrous with more games.
It's clear they need and want a CB and CM but they can't seem to get their targets. They don't really need numbers there but quality.
I do think people are starting to wake up, slowly but surely. In his last presser Klopp said that due to Moreno's improvement, Milner can now play midfield, which means he's like a new signing. The "like a new signing" routine is an old FSG trick. They also made Rodgers do it when Gerrard came back after a prolonged absence from injury. Usually, fans would be absolutely thrilled with such comments, but I read some really angry comments on social media recently. They really did shoot themselves in the foot this time. If season doesn't go well, I think fans will actually, at least in part, turn on the owners.
And rightly so mate. FSG are a disgrace really.
In his last presser Klopp said that due to Moreno's improvement, Milner can now play midfield, which means he's like a new signing. The "like a new signing" routine is an old FSG trick. They also made Rodgers do it when Gerrard came back after a prolonged absence from injury. Usually, fans would be absolutely thrilled with such comments, but I read some really angry comments on social media recently. They really did shoot themselves in the foot this time. If season doesn't go well, I think fans will actually, at least in part, turn on the owners.
Please post more, you're a breath of fresh air compared to the other Liverpool supporters here.
Just seen the highlights of the game earlier. Lovren can not be first choice next season, just no.
When you read this you think 'that can't be right' but jesus christ!
Having seen the number of fixtures due for the Christmas period this season, I have to agree. The CB situation is ridiculous. Matip is the only one who is good enough for a side that wants to compete.
Madness that their season starts next week and it isn't sorted. They could get someone like Vermaelen in, with question marks but used to a similar style easily enough for a lowish price, and still upgrade on what's there. Midfield needs work and the lack of depth isn't great. I thought most of their more promising kids were fullbacks or forwards, be interesting to see if they have anyone coming through Klopp thinks is good enough in midfield.
Don't think 'pool's injury crisis last season was as bad as ours, but they were still affected and that was without being in Europe. If the board there have any ambition surely a couple more players are needed.
Don't think 'pool's injury crisis last season was as bad as ours, but they were still affected and that was without being in Europe. If the board there have any ambition surely a couple more players are needed.
Lovren..
They could do with "pretty good" at CB, forget quality. Matip is the only one who seems likely to be good enough and he was inconsistent at Schalke (though he was also in his early 20s so that's normal) so even a rough month or two from him might come and that would really put them under pressure defensively.
I don't understand why agents of players don't see a gaping hole like Liverpool at CB or Arsenal at RW and try to get their players there. Like, if you're Sule's agent, why let him go to Bayern to backup Boateng and Hummels and Javi Martinez instead of going to Liverpool to be the starter there?
What if Sule only wants to move to Bayern?
Uh, are you serious? They want to win things. It's more a lifetime chance.
Is Coutinho at 135 million a big loss really? Liverpool can end up being a stronger team if they buy well. Coutinho needs to go up a level to be that sort of player. Maybe he will but as of now I don't think he's as big a loss as Liverpool fans make him out to be. He's more sturridge than Suarez right now.
Not much different to us. Our attack has been abysmal and all we've done is replace the great striker we lost and obsess over a decent player like Perisic.
It is Lovren's inconsistency that is the real problem, he can be very good for instance he completely bossed Lukaku in our home derby game last season, but he can also be awful.
It hasn't helped that both he and Matip had injury issues meaning they couldn't play as a partnership enough.
It is worrying we haven't been linked with anyone apart from Van Dijk, if he is our only target that's bad as I can't see that deal happening.
Looks like Moreno despite being linked with Watford might be staying having working hard in training and impressing Klopp so far in the pre-season games.
Surprising but to be fair he has been playing well.
We must get a new CM and CB in soon.
It hasn't helped that both he and Matip had injury issues meaning they couldn't play as a partnership enough.
It is worrying we haven't been linked with anyone apart from Van Dijk, if he is our only target that's bad as I can't see that deal happening.
Looks like Moreno despite being linked with Watford might be staying having working hard in training and impressing Klopp so far in the pre-season games.
Surprising but to be fair he has been playing well.
We must get a new CM and CB in soon.
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Apart from Bayern being the holy grail of football clubs just like Real and Barca for Spanish players, Süle explicitly wanted to go there because of Hummels and Boateng to learn from them and become a better player.
Strange transfer policy from Liverpool indeed if they end up buying no one instead of spending the large sums they had prepared for the 2 signings they couldn't get.
If Klopp is basing his decision on pre-season then I've got to say that's poor. He's had all of last season to assess him in training and he found him to be wanting, rarely putting him on even as a sub. It's the reason he was clearly up for sale and would have gone if the offer was £15m instead of £11m. And now he's good enough again ?
We have been in control for most of our pre-season games and it's in those games that he shines because he has serious pace and sometimes a good cross on him, not that he played that often anyway (though he did play the whole game vs. BM). However his defensive weaknesses have not regressed, he is still dives mindlessly into tackles and is very positionally suspect. My prediction now is that if he gets games then we'll soon revert to Milner + Robertson as our two to go to with Moreno not even on the bench and discarded.
They have Matip as well. He was supposed to be a good signing.
He has been a good signing. Generally speaking we look better defensively with him than without him.
Add VVD to that and you should be fine.
What's the point of getting cash if you don't spend it. We have cash now to spend but haven't spent it on anyone big on defence or on a midfielder. If we lose Coutinho and don't spend big on big players were fecked. It will not look good for the owners or the board.
I don't think we will. Southampton aren't going to accept any bid we make now.
I'm curious as to why Klopp didn't go for someone like De Vrij when it became clear that VVD was a no go. Or go back in for Zielinski after failing for Keita? It's very odd that such a thin squad aren't at least getting in some depth.
The only conclusion we can currently make is that we put so to speak all our eggs in one basket, or baskets and clearly wanted Keita and Van Dijk.
Now they aren't happening it doesn't look like we have any back ups.
Hopefully there is more going on than we know as it's only a week away now from the first league game.
It's a bit ironic as whilst we broke our transfer record for Salah we clearly have the money to do that again twice, but the respective clubs won't sell the player to us.
Also as much as I like Milner for Klopp to now say he is back in the frame for midfield is worrying as we need a top quality player in there still.
The reports seem to suggest Klopp basically said it was his first choice targets or no-one, which is an indefensible position given the problems manifest within Liverpool's squad. Look at how City and United did business this summer. United were in for Morata and Griezmann before landing Lukaku. City turned to Danilo after Alves. It's criminal to only have one target in areas that clearly need addressing.
I think our 3 signings are very good, Salah could turn out to be a steal at the price, plus it's clear the likes Ryan Kent can now be added to the first team squad also.
The defensive issues last season were highlighted more because Matip and Lovren didn't play together enough down to injuries, the drop off from them 2 being available to the back ups is considerable.
For all we know Klopp may have alternatives but the lack of any rumours suggest that is not the case, maybe he would rather not spend for the sake of it if he cannot get the top targets.
Whatever the situation is the fans would say we need a top class CB and CM bringing in.
Yeah it's all very unusual. I can't believe that Klopp thinks the squad is good enough as it is.
And I don't believe they only had/have one CM and one CB on their 'buy list'. As I saw listed: Mane was 3rd choice, Salah was 3rd choice and Wijnaldum was 3rd choice.
However maybe their 2nd and 3rd choices were sold whilst they were still confident of getting their primary choices.
Salah is the only signing I'd expect to make a meaningful impact this season, although I do rate him very highly. Matip and Lovren is such a step down from the quality of your front-four though. Your attack is great, midfield is good, defence is poor. That's why it seems odd that van Dijk is the only defender who is apparently of interest to Liverpool, and Keita the only CM. Signing a player like van Dijk could easily be the difference between battling for top four again and battling for the title.
some of the justification of our transfer business thus far that I've seen from some Liverpool fans is beyond deluded.
A lot of comments I see only go as far as to praise our squad as in how many good individuals there are in it, and how many young talent we've got. They tend to forget that just because one or two from last season's starting 11 may find themselves on the bench this season, that doesn't mean we're better off when you consider everyone else improved their squad, and more importantly when you take injuries into consideration.
Optimistic fanbase:"Now Klopp will play Phil and Bobby and Mane and Salah AND Lallana all in the same line-up and we're just going to destroy everyone, kings of Europe, definitely top 4" etc. etc.
Me: "More like after 3 or 4 games two of those will be injured and by January we'll be playing the reserves and have people born in 2000 on our bench, like last season"
Optimistic fanbase: "Nah, kings of Europe lad"
Ok.
True. What worries me is it's either the board or Klopp making decisions not to have a backup plan in case they couldn't get either of the two big targets. If it was the board, Klopp could very well feel his hands are tied and may not stay too long.
If it's Klopp's decision then I wonder if his ego might be thinking he can do it with just his system that he put in place.
Both of these scenerios aren't very comforting. Hopefully there is a suprise coming that is actually good.
Seems like Klopp's happy with the squad's readiness:
Liverpool fans being deluded? That's like telling me tomorrow is going to be Monday.
I think if we drop points at Watford more people will ask questions.But thankfully we do look good up front so we should be fine. Silva taking 3 points of us like last season with Hull can't be allowed to happen again. Nothing less than a win to start with though.
Selling club. Have been for a decade now.
This is my highlight of preseason