It most definitely is. A manager cannot meet with another club's player without permission. Liverpool apologised and withdrew interest in the player, and it was on this basis that Southampton and the Premier League accepted that they would not pursue the matter further. Thus, if that interest is reignited, the premise on which Liverpool were not punished becomes defunct. That is why I am struggling to see how Liverpool can now be allowed to sign van Dijk.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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It most definitely is. A manager cannot meet with another club's player without permission. Liverpool apologised and withdrew interest in the player, and it was on this basis that Southampton and the Premier League accepted that they would not pursue the matter further. Thus, if that interest is reignited, the premise on which Liverpool were not punished becomes defunct. That is why I am struggling to see how Liverpool can now be allowed to sign van Dijk.
You misunderstood my meaning, or I phrased it badly. I meant that nothing could be done now since the case has been dismissed, without new evidence.
But new evidence should not be needed, it's all part of the same case, unless you somehow try to argue the previous tapping-up of van Dijk will have no bearing on this new pursuit. Let's say Guardiola went and met with Coutinho in Scunthorpe. City got caught, publicly apologised and withdrew their interest. Then, a few weeks later, we make a bid for Coutinho. How would you feel about that? I imagine you'd be pretty pissed off. This is why I am struggling to comprehend how Liverpool can be allowed to return for van Dijk.
No that is what the FA said. No further action to be taken without further evidence and since Southampton had already provided everything they had the case was closed. Since then Liverpool have not been trying to sign VVD. However it's clear VVD wants out and that puts Southampton in a tough situation, it's likely they'l contact his management who'l contact Liverpool and a deal will be done.
Southampton almost certainly wouldn't have made this fuss if the VVD sale had been allowed to go to an auction (I'm sure they were hopeful that City, Chelsea and Liverpool would all get involved). With VVD's statement that all but nullified the potential for an auction. Southampton were therefore pissed off as the likelihood of a bumper payday had rescinded and we know what happened then. Where we go from here is anyone's guess however there are plenty of rumours that a deal will be done and VVD will get his move to Anfield, although now we are hearing Southampton's manager making statements that are all too reminiscent of the Keita situation. Maybe that's all part of the game and getting the fee as high as possible. Maybe not.
Why do you think Liverpool apologised? Out of the kindness of their hearts? Obviously Soton had the dirt to skewer them on the tapping up and agreed not to pursue it if Pool fecked off and produced a humiliating public apology.
So why did the authorities drop it?
Fair enough mate, hopefully they are correct and this goes through as I think he'd do wonders for our defence
I don't think the authorities should have dropped it, wasn't there proof that Klopp text VVD? Look at the problems it's caused Southampton, there most valuable asset is now training alone, cnutish behaviour from Liverpool.
Probably because southampton asked them to. The whole deal with tapping up is at the clubs' discretion. Had liverpool just agreed to meet Soton asking price at the beginning, the whole fiasco wouldn't have happened
This is a matter of money
I hope you get docked points.
It's one thing club chairman talking to an agent in the summer about a player moving, it's another thing altogether a manager meeting up in a hotel with a player while the season is going on.
That's a potential misreading of it. I think the issue for Southampton was VVD declaring his preference for Liverpool so publicly that killed City and Chelsea's interest and ended the possibility of an auction. The 'asking price' wasn't set. At no stage have Liverpool bid for the player, I don't think.
Had it been pursued by the FA, I suspect Pandora's Box will have flown open. Every club will have been under investigation by the end of August. I should imagine there's a library full of evidence for this practice. It goes on all the time apparently. Southampton just got so irritated that they called Liverpool on it.
Bollocks. If every club was as blatant and idiotic about it as Liverpool then every reluctant selling club would be kicking up the same fuss that Soton did. They don't, because other clubs don't actually do it in the ridiculously illegal and obvious way that Pool did.
VVD telling them in private also would have killed this "auction". This is one more story Liverpool fans invented, not the first one mind.
It happens only if Selling club wants to and have proper proofs. Why do you think FA didn't apply the same logic when they punished Chelsea some 10 years back?
I don't think anybody is naive enough to think that this doesn't go on all the time. In fact, I'd go as far to say that pretty much no transfer occurs without the buying club at least putting out feelers to the player's agent prior to moving forward to ensure there is some interest in at least moving.
However, I imagine most don't occur in the flagrant way that Liverpool seem to have gone about it here.
You make it sound like Southampton are just being a little crazy and unreasonable. They have sold many players before, the majority of them to Liverpool, without creating any kind of issue. And more importantly, in most cases, clubs don't backtrack in the ridiculously public way Liverpool had to earlier in the window.
Its pretty fecking disrespectful really, in multiple ways.
Look, we said sorry, laid off for a few weeks, did our tapping up the proper way and came back saying 'pretty please with sugar on top'. So what's with the sour grapes?
It's a bit weird this "ok, I know we all tap up, but I just can't believe that liverpool are getting away with this particular tapping up'.
It's a bit weird this "ok, I know we all tap up, but I just can't believe that liverpool are getting away with this particular tapping up'.
You can't be that thick B20? Sending out feelers in the off season to a player's agent is surely different to the manager sitting in a room discussing tactical plans with the player while the season is going on. Especially as Liverpool and Southampton have to play against each other. What's next, "throw a game for us so we can get you cheaper?"
This thread is incredible to read. From creation of story about RB's shareholders being not happy about not selling Keita to this to finally having multiple ITK's telling that Keita and VvD is done. It seems delusion doesn't only stop at football when it comes to Liverpool FC, it's extending to transfers now too.
Not my intention, if that's your reading.
It's illegal (against the rules) full stop. You can't really have gradations of illegality in this sense.
While you're judgement here is apparently somewhat clouded by a flagrant dislike for Liverpool, I think you'll agree it's common practice. In fact, Southampton themselves have been accused of it this summer. Any ex-pro going talks openly about it. A key reason it's not reported, I imagine, is that it's so widespread.
I disagree
Fair enough.
While tapping up is obviously there, most clubs are sensible enough to either do it above board by talking to the player with the clubs' permission or they are careful not to leave any evidence which can be traced back to them. For instance, I'm sure there was a decent amount of tapping up re Morata through guys like mata and all. But you can't really prove stuff like that.
Whereas in this case, it's clearly a case of having proof else you wouldn't publicly issue an apology and back away. Plus you have precedence in this issue. Not really a case of something that every clubs do.
Don't forget Leipzig shifting goal posts. Poor Liverpool.
But it's widespread. Which I think you're agreeing with. If you murder in secret without getting caught it's still against the law
The point you're refusing to see is that you did it so blatantly and openly that there's undeniable evidence. Other clubs do it, but they don't go fecking getting the manager to text the guy and meet him in a hotel. They don't leave behind sufficient smoking gun evidence like Liverpool did. Hence why Liverpool should be punished to the letter of the law, and only avoided it by issuing that apology and ending their interest.
Indeed. Football fans are inherently optimistic about their beloved club. Not a characteristic singularly associated with Liverpool, but I appreciate that on a United forum there's a heightened and distorted sense that Liverpool are more guilty of it than others.
Interestingly, if one visits a Birmingham City forum there's a widespread view that Villa are the most delusional fans, while Forest fans have similar feelings about Derby fans...and so on. Par for the course I guess
But don't complain if you get caught with the knife in and blood on your hands that other people also commit murder.
When is Keita being announced?
But everyone does, was my point. Liverpool didn't get punished. What reall evidence do you have that the apology ended the investigation? Or is that just supposition?
Who has complained?
Where has it been reported anywhere that this happened while the season was still ongoing?
I think Scousers will challenge this year. A lot will depend on Sturridge staying fit.
Club A speaks to Agent A. Agent A represents multiple players, maybe even some who play for Club A, therefore incredibly difficult to prove any tapping up of any player.
Juergen Klopp reportedly texts videos to VVD of where VVD will fit into the Liverpool team if he signs. Pretty clear evidence of tapping up.
You get this, right?
I don't really get what you're complaining about then? Liverpool got caught, were forced to grovel (obviously because Soton would otherwise have sought action), and clearly tapped the player up. So what exactly are you giving out about?
Didn't Southampton demand Liverpool stop their persuit of VVD or they would take it further? It wasn't a case of Liverpool being cleared or Southampton not having enough evidence. It's Southampton not fully disclosing what they knew so held it over Liverpool's head?
Why did he need to text him videos? Doesn't he just walk straight into their central defence?
Sad but true.
Yeah, unfortunately. Solanke isn't ready, Origi not good enough and Firmino adds a lot but isn't a 20 goals per season striker. 13/14 Sturridge, if that version of him even exists anymore but I think it does, could prove to be the difference between top 4 or not, or even a title challenge or not (don't think we have that in us).