I was talking about Keita and VVD
Liverpool - 2017/18
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The river is that way lad >>>>>>>>>>
Where's Moreno, still at the club? Obviously Coutinho is good, but I think he's over-rated on here, 20 goals and assists in all comps isn't impossible to replace for 100 odd mil and I don't remember (though could be wrong) his goals often being decisive. Obviously they're better off with him but don't think him leaving is a disaster.
Leipzig and Southampton wouldn't have enough time to replace them.
Southampton are already playing without VVD.
Forecast.
VVD will happen
Keita will go to Bayern next Summer.
Coutinho will stay another 1-2 seasons at Liverpool.
I think Keita aint happening but have a feeling about VVD .
Going back to Flannagan. He is a great little player and should deffo be involved this season . Ive seen the kids this week too ( but can never remember their names ) and they look really promising.
I'm confused as to how it seems Liverpool are going to sign van Dijk after all that has gone on. They publicly apologised and withdrew their interest, which was enough to placate Southampton and the Premier League from further action. But if van Dijk now signs for Liverpool after all, then that effectively means Klopp's flagrant tapping-up has gone unpunished, aside from the damage to Liverpool's image.
dunno. from my readings, which is a mixture of press and what I can swallow as possibly ITK, it seems to me that the football men are trying to force a public position that the business men can't reel back.
I'll call it dead when he signs a new contract, we sign a midfielder obviously meant as an alternative, or the transfer window SLAMS SHUT.
Flannagan burnt his bridges with too much boozing and resting on his laurels. Besides, TAA looks a much bigger talent.
VVD is basically done. Go to the bookies on that one.
from today
Coutinho is basically a scorer of decisive goals. He's the only one we have who can bail us out on a bad day with one moment of spark.
I'd still have Flannagan and maybe Klopp has had a word and thats one good thing about Sakho. He has sent out a message. I may be mad and goof around some may think Iam a bellend but feck around and you're out. TAA does look very promising indeed .
What's your source on VDD ?
My thoughts exactly. That apology was only forced out of them on the basis that they piss off away from VVD. If they get him now their tapping up will have been successful and Soton will have let them get away with it.
More or less the same as last season. We look lethal going forwards and wide open at the back . As far as the squad goes if we go in to the season as it is we are ill equipped and far too short. We lack depth in key areas still and will likely run out of steam because we'll have to over play the same few players and expect them to keep a ridiculously high level all season which is impossible. I said before the summer that this was a make or break summer for FSG, we've spent the better part of a decade on the outside looking in and we've spent very little over the last couple years. Postive net spend last season, Tv deal and CL the money is there, it's the litmus test of their ambitions in regards to LFC and consistently wanting to compete and win top honours.
Like most things they do it's not gone well so far and the only fans who would spin it as a positive are those who will no doubt wait till we finish 7th again before admitting what's gone wrong and then trot out further excuses about needing to finish top four to get top players and on and on we go in a viscous cycle.
I'll wait till the window is closed before passing judgment as it's only fair, but I'm not confident so far, their tenure to date doesn't bode well for optimism. Hopefully and I'd be delighted if they prove me wrong.
boo hoo
I think what Klopp will try to do is
Clyne - Matip - X - Milner
Lallana - Henderson - Coutinho
Mane - Firmino - Salah
But they have plenty of options in midfield/attack and LB/RB now. Klopp will probably trust Wijnaldum, Can, Grujic, Solanke, Sturridge, Origi, Robertson and TAA to cover that. So it makes sense now to try and buy big upgrades, rather than more squad depth, except maybe in central defense. But most of all they need to defend better as a team.
Clyne - Matip - X - Milner
Lallana - Henderson - Coutinho
Mane - Firmino - Salah
But they have plenty of options in midfield/attack and LB/RB now. Klopp will probably trust Wijnaldum, Can, Grujic, Solanke, Sturridge, Origi, Robertson and TAA to cover that. So it makes sense now to try and buy big upgrades, rather than more squad depth, except maybe in central defense. But most of all they need to defend better as a team.
We deffo need a DM in my opinion.
You could do worse than resorting to your favourite shopping destination Southampton and pick up Oriol Romeu.
Not sure they want to do business with you after the sexting from Klopp to VVD though.
Anyways, Romeu is a quality DM imo.
That´s why he wants Keita. I don´t think he feels the need though to rush to buy another squad depth/stopgap type player. I think they might just run down Can´s deal and get Keita done next summer. With the addition of Robertson, it´s also possible to move Milner back into midfield and Coutinho into the front three, if Klopp wants more defensive stability. There are options.
Central defense remains the major concern though. Ideally you get Matip and Van Dijk as the starters, a new #1 backup and then Lovren/Klavan.
As annoying as it is, if we do sign keita it will be at the end of the window.
They are not selling him before a replacement is in and by selling at the end of the window they avoid a snowball effect with forsberg and Werner asking when they get to leave.
I think Klopp is prepared to put all his eggs in one basket too if we feel its doable.
They are not selling him before a replacement is in and by selling at the end of the window they avoid a snowball effect with forsberg and Werner asking when they get to leave.
I think Klopp is prepared to put all his eggs in one basket too if we feel its doable.
If VVD comes to Liverpool it will be with Southampton's consent. And surely you recognise that tapping up is rampant in the game and has been since forever. Instead of rival fans getting on their high-horse, pointing fingers and talking about punishment when it suits, this episode should serve to open up a wider debate about the rules surrounding speaking to a player without his club's permission. As I see it, either the rule should be scrapped, or it should be enforced at every instance. What I find wrong is when clubs turn a blind eye to it except when the result of it means a potential lowering of that players value as other clubs drop out of the bidding process.
If we're going to be punished then so should every club that engages in it.
Southampton were accused of tapping up in France ! Low profile player so goes under the radar. They are not snowy white themselves and they know the game. They are, I suspect, still hoping City come in for VVD, however with £200m spent already I'm not sure City have the budget for him and whatever their feelings I suspect Southampton would rather swallow their pride and take Liverpool's money than £5-10m less from City.
All gone quiet on transfer rumours, clearly Keita and Van Dijk were the main targets to add to the 3 other new guys.
Klopp is maybe considering alternatives now if there are any, haven't been linked with any other centre backs.
Klopp is maybe considering alternatives now if there are any, haven't been linked with any other centre backs.
Hard to disagree with this. Staying another year here as a guaranteed starter will also help strengthen his WC spot for 2018.
Cou doesn't seem like the kinda player to kick up a fuss, and if he does move on next year, I'll really enjoy watching him playing for Barca
You're the chillest Liverpool fan I've seen.
I was going to write a post asking why on earth the Suarez/Evra case has been mentioned six years later.. but let's talk transfers instead. We are not getting Keita, it's clear as day. But I have a feeling the VVD move will materialise and if it doesn't they better have an alternative lined up. I'm getting bothered by this talk coming out that if we can't get a specific player the manager wants then we won't sign no one at all. I'm not just pulling this out my arse either, this happened last year with Ben Chilwell. If you can't get your first target, suck it up and find another target (Klopp should have a list). As good as VVD and Keita are we can't potentially sabotage our season by not making any more signings. A Milner at left back type revelation doesn't always come off, and tbh i really don't want to witness another home thumping from Europe's elite so I hope they sign another cb, Lovren and co don't fill me with hope against the very best.
I would add that I'm not in the slightest bit worried or annoyed because I think for those reasons Liverpool have no chance of getting him. Saints would happily sell him for £10m less than Pool are offering to someone else rather than have the fan backlash that would occur if they sold him to Pool.
Suffice to say, I think it's stupid to believe VVD will come to Liverpool this summer. Come back and tell me I told you so if im wrong!
I think we are just waiting for soton to sign his replacement first before it is announced.
Told you so. He's basically signed already.
I see nothing to indicate this. Unless Klopp's been tweeting him again.
It was Whatsapp actually, that's how Klopp sent him the picture of VVD Photoshoped in a Liverpool kit with the captains armband. Which nobody can take the piss about as he only wants to come to Liverpool now.
Flanagan let himself down by looking like a confused squirrel. Plus, he's not very good.
There's also that.
If he'd stayed focused, he could have carved out a niche for himself as the local fan favorite, doing his part by being a passable backup at fullback though.
I'll be honest, I thought you lot had already sold him.
I fully agree. My point is though, the tapping-up is done discretely, most often via phone calls to an agent. That is, you cannot really prove it. In this instance, Klopp was guilty of meeting in person with van Dijk, and Southampton caught Liverpool out. Following the public apology and withdrawal of interest, I am genuinely curious as to how Liverpool can now be allowed to return for the player without punishment from the Premier League. As you say, Liverpool's crime is less to do with the act itself, given how endemic it is within the game, and more to do with their failure to act discretely. Nevertheless, they have been caught red-handed, and being allowed to still sign van Dijk means the act goes unpunished.
Everyone is guilty of it, Liverpool were just incompetent enough to get caught in the process. It seems odd that it can go unpunished. I'm not suggesting a transfer ban, but at the least I would have expected any further pursuit of the deal to be verboten. It's not as if van Dijk is the only CB Liverpool could possibly sign, they should just have to accept their mistake and move on to someone else. And no, I do not want nor have any hope that City will move for van Dijk.
It can't be forbidden since the FA decided no action needed to be taken after the apology and the case dismissed. Actually I think they (and UEFA) were (would be) terrified they would need to become involved at all since this is a massive can of worms. Look at Barca now saying PSG should have their feet roasted, talk about being hypocritical ! It wasn't Liverpool were 'incompetent' per se, it was a single individual at the club who got over-excited - excruciatingly stupid but an individual nonetheless.
We wish we had. He'll go this window I have no doubt at all, we have no requirement to keep him.
Klopp has already said he'll use Gomez at RB and CB (so Clyne - AA - Gomez at RB) and he has already shown he can play LB in the PL so (Milner - Robertson - Gomez) for LB.
Klopp isn't stupid - he will know Flanagan isn't good enough to challenge the RB/LB spot long term.
He did show promise under Bodgers but the simple fact is that he's an average player.
I've seen you mention a few times on this page that it's basically done and dusted... I really hope you're right but have seen no other evidence of it. How sure are you?
Like the only obstacle left being our uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
It's never 100% till it's announced though. One of the guys who told me once assured me that crouch was coming back some years ago. Everything was agreed between all parties - was as certain as it could be short of an announcement. And somehow fell through. Never even hit the media!
I don't mean to play the ITK card, which is kinda lame and I am not generally in the loop. I know two guys I really trust who occasionally get solid info their way though and they both said it was done. I think there is enough voices saying the same in both liverpool and southampton to assume that this is happening. I haven't heard anything other than that it is basically done and dusted though - That's all I claim to 'know'!
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He was my 1st choice for us!