I said RB NOT RBL.Do you know anything about rbl at all?
Which shareholders are calling the shots and what do they want?
Liverpool - 2017/18
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You are missing the point. Firstly people are saying they don't need the money because of RB but now they say the club has total control and RB can't dictate to the club. Whatever the voting rights do you honestly believe RB will just plough money in without having control over it ? It's RB's club no matter the voting rights.
Saying Keita won't leave next Summer is like saying Sanchez won't leave Arsenal next Summer latest. There's an outside chance but it's highly unlikely.
Supposedly we are going to pay him £135k a week and he's on £35k now. RBL are going to have to massively improve that, and not only his salary but of course that will affect all salaries at the club, if they want to keep him.
Are you for real? I'm assuming you said ALL Liverpool supporters are "bullsh*tters." And what exactly does that say about you? Let's clarify something here. There are some people who know fcuk all about what is going on and instead get swayed by the mainstream media, and there are a very few who are fortunate enough to have access to "someone" directly involved in the "goings on" over a transfer.
I am not going to divulge my sources, but all I'll say is that transfers take time (hence UEFA set a time line for approximately 2 months for these deals to be concluded) Leipzig want to buy a replacement for Keita plus other positions before confirming his departure, otherwise, they will get fleeced for £65M very quickly IF clubs were aware that they had that to spend following Keita's sale! Liverpool has agreed to terms with Keita for £130K per week and he wants to leave for Liverpool. This will be my last post for the day as I am only permitted 3 for the day (unless some of you like my comments in order to increase my posts to the next limit of five. No pressure!)
You're missing the point about RB, the point is their shareholders have ZERO say
I don't know but it seems to happen a fair bit.
No doubt Salah, Lukaku, Lacazette and Walker will face similar criticism if they don't hit the ground running. Fees are always used as a stick to hit footballers with.
And you know this how ? To clarify: their Thai shareholders own 51% and may believe that cashing in on Keita now, for £20m more than may be achievable next Summer according to his break clause, would be good business. Maybe.
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Errm... Fair enough. Even understandable if you genuinely have credible sources. But when you come back tomorrow, at least throw some tangential hints to give some modicum of comfort to my palpitating, cynical heart.I am not going to divulge my sources, but all I'll say is that transfers take time (hence UEFA set a time line for approximately 2 months for these deals to be concluded) Leipzig want to buy a replacement for Keita plus other positions before confirming his departure, otherwise, they will get fleeced for £65M very quickly IF clubs were aware that they had that to spend following Keita's sale! Liverpool has agreed to terms with Keita for £130K per week and he wants to leave for Liverpool. This will be my last post for the day as I am only permitted 3 for the day (unless some of you like my comments in order to increase my posts to the next limit of five. No pressure!)
No, people who are saying "the deal is done" are bullshitters imo. For every 1000 who say this (the poster I quoted said "my friends are saying it's done", and I referred to them in my post since it's very, very, very unlikely one of them know something about a possible transfer), there's 1 out of those 1000 who actually has some insight information. If you are that one person, fair enough and I'll congratulate you after the transfer is official, I really fecking hope I can do so. But if it doesn't get done know, you'll just look like an idiot and that's it...Are you for real? I'm assuming you said ALL Liverpool supporters are "bullsh*tters." And what exactly does that say about you? Let's clarify something here. There are some people who know fcuk all about what is going on and instead get swayed by the mainstream media, and there are a very few who are fortunate enough to have access to "someone" directly involved in the "goings on" over a transfer.
I am not going to divulge my sources, but all I'll say is that transfers take time (hence UEFA set a time line for approximately 2 months for these deals to be concluded) Leipzig want to buy a replacement for Keita plus other positions before confirming his departure, otherwise, they will get fleeced for £65M very quickly IF clubs were aware that they had that to spend following Keita's sale! Liverpool has agreed to terms with Keita for £130K per week and he wants to leave for Liverpool. This will be my last post for the day as I am only permitted 3 for the day (unless some of you like my comments in order to increase my posts to the next limit of five. No pressure!)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you do or don't know anything about the whole transfer saga. However, for every 1000 or even 10 or 100 thousand people who claim they have additional inside information or claim the transfer is done, only 1 person actually knows his stuff. Fair enough if that's you, like I said, I do hope it's you.
Your sources are obviously a big pile of turd. Keita is going to stay at Leipzig and there is nothing you can do about it. Deal agreed in principleI am not going to divulge my sources, but all I'll say is that transfers take time (hence UEFA set a time line for approximately 2 months for these deals to be concluded) Leipzig want to buy a replacement for Keita plus other positions before confirming his departure, otherwise, they will get fleeced for £65M very quickly IF clubs were aware that they had that to spend following Keita's sale! Liverpool has agreed to terms with Keita for £130K per week and he wants to leave for Liverpool. This will be my last post for the day as I am only permitted 3 for the day (unless some of you like my comments in order to increase my posts to the next limit of five. No pressure!)
Because handing in transfer requests isn't some magical tool that will force the clubs to sell or anything. Both Morata and Perisic, for sure, have told their clubs they want to leave. Judging from his recent interview, so did Alexis
They're still under contract and it's entirely up to the club whether to sell or not, and for what price
And i keep saying liverpool's biggest position of need is a world class CF - a box killer -
Having gone through the last few pages, this Nostradamus vs BigSky battle has become the most interesting thing for me in this transfer window. Much better than the constantly rehashed tedium of media outlets.
May the best source win!
May the best source win!
your just digging the hole deeper. The idea that RB shareholder have anything at all to say about individual player transfers is beyond absurd. Mateschitz didn't invest in RBL to make a profit anyway and his other shareholders are certainly on board with him investing in football.
I am not going to divulge my sources, but all I'll say is that transfers take time (hence UEFA set a time line for approximately 2 months for these deals to be concluded) Leipzig want to buy a replacement for Keita plus other positions before confirming his departure, otherwise, they will get fleeced for £65M very quickly IF clubs were aware that they had that to spend following Keita's sale! Liverpool has agreed to terms with Keita for £130K per week and he wants to leave for Liverpool. This will be my last post for the day as I am only permitted 3 for the day (unless some of you like my comments in order to increase my posts to the next limit of five. No pressure!)
So your narrative has now shifted from "appeasing the fans" to "they need time for a replacement and don't want get fleeced"? Btw, Rangnick went into holidays now, good way to waste precious time, if ou still have important business to do.
Sport Bild had an interesting bit from Klopp today:
Sounds more like being determined to not give up yet rather than done dealio...
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Hi, I've not been on! How're my fellow Liverpool fans doing? It looks like a slow summer... I'm really not convinced we're going to be able to land Keita.
As with anything, you get all types.
Don't the players have some kind of loyalty payout if they don't hand in a transfer request? I'm guessing they just want to get as much money as possible, and most of these players aren't in dire places.
The only difference between telling your club you want to leave and handing in a formal written transfer request is the player might lose some money. The stance of the selling club isn't gonna change
We need at least one CB more than anything else. If we go into the season with Lovren still first choice I'll be frustrated. He's improved since we signed him but he isn't a Champions League level CB and never will be.
And i keep saying having a guy like Aubameyang would let you get away with Lovren as first-choice CB. You nearly won the league with Skrtel
Klopp won the bundesliga with Subotic, not exactly Thiago Silva
More often than not the eventual Premier League winners have a strong defence.And i keep saying having a guy like Aubameyang would let you get away with Lovren as first-choice CB. You nearly won the league with Skrtel
Klopp won the bundesliga with Subotic, not exactly Thiago Silva
Yes. Not necessarily strong defenders though. Cahill and David Luiz are the same guys who looked pathetic before Conte switched to a system and playing style that gave them more protection
Still, Auba would be perfect for Klopp's style of football.
There are only two sides to the shareholding and the Thai family own 51%. All you've said is nothing more than your opinion that Mateschitz will not take the profit and reinvest it in the team. You actually have no clue as to what they will or won't do. Therefore it's far from inconceivable Mateschitz will decide to use profit generated from a player sale rather than RB's investment fund to sponsor the team's 2017 transfer activity.
Well that depends. Whether they think RBL can bring in more money through marketing for RB, or whether they'd rake in more from the RBL dividends after selling keita
With the bigger picture in mind, it's hard to see them choosing option 2
What's the bigger picture? CL qualification and runner-up to Bayern is the highest I can see them finish in the foreseeable future. They can't attract top talents either without the status of a big club and no big wages to offer. Could be wrong though, but at the moment it doesn't seem like they're starting a City or PSG-like project. Imo they overachieved this season and will find it extremely hard to do better next season, with or without Keita.
The bigger picture is RBL doing well in CL, growing their popularity and fanbase and thus growing the RB brand, potential marketing and sales, thus increasing dividends for RB shareholders, over time
VS sell now for a lot and get a few extra million € this one time
RBL is primarily a marketing vehicle. It's not the dividends from RBL that RB shareholders are interested in, it's the impact RBL can have on the RB brand
Its funny watching the dippers get all hot and bothered over Keita after abusing us and Pogba since last summer
Your sources are obviously a big pile of turd. Keita is going to stay at Leipzig and there is nothing you can do about it. Deal agreed in principle
You are just reliant upon information in the mainstream media (including various football journals) You are totally reliant on various quotes from RBL officials as IF it was God's words in the Bible. But with all due respect, you have absolutely nothing from "sources" that are actively involved in the flow of information. I am reading such naive comments from many on here as if multi-million Euro/Pound deals are being done in a school playground - swapping duplicate sports cards for that missing one! I mean, how many times have you heard of "over my dead body" statements by club officials and then a complete reversal in the end with the player being sold? Ragnick has been outranked by higher officials within Leipzig who cannot turn down Euro 75M deal for Keita, leaving Ragnick to fly off in a huff to his vacation. His pride has taken a hit with this episode. IF RBL refuse to sanction Keita's sale this window, then they not only risk a potential Euro 30M loss, but a player hugely demotivated for the upcoming season and warns future players to be cautious in joining RBL as they would also fear similar fate to Keita. So, I was told that a "deal" in principle has been agreed and Naby Keita made it clear that he wants to be dealt away. Now there's a lot of 'face-saving' taking place hence why it is taking time. I've been told that Leipzig wants certain players in place first so not to be "fleeced" by selling clubs if they were fully aware that they were about to rake in £Millions. (See how Everton conducted their deals this summer having "done" a deal for Lukaku with Manchester United "on the quiet?") Anyone think the order of deals at Everton was not "controlled" by the selling club in order to avoid a "run" on their transfer funds? I also read many saying that Leipzig "don't need the money." There is not a club in history that doesn't need the money. Period. The richest club in the world couldn't decline £80M a decade back. Yes, it helps greatly IF a player doesn't want to leave a club for reasons best known to themselves. Perhaps Messi is an example. Player power is hugely underrated in this day-and-age. I count myself extremely fortunate to be informed about this particular deal because I know someone "actively" involved. I guess we'll all eventually find out in due course.
A few things: 1) There aren't any higher offcials at Leipzig than Rangnick. He is the highest official. If he was to be outranked, it would have to be through Mateschitz himself.
2) Keita's RC is 55m, so the "loss" would be 20m. Considering you easily lose such an amount by not making it through the group stages of the CL, this supposed risk is a lot smaller than you are trying to make it.
Leipzig has the potential to become this season's Monaco, if Keita stays on board. For RB's Marketing ambition this exactly what they are looking for. Plus, they'd have a full year to look for a proper replacement rather than 4 weeks,
It's even funnier watching the United fans bring up the subject of Pogba and his fee in ALL the opposition threads ! In the Liverpool, Chelsea, City and Spurs threads in particular. Hilarious
It's understandable why RBL are so determined to keep the likes of Keita. Not only do they need to keep their best players, but they need to add a few more too. Last season they only played a total of 35 games - 34 in the league & 1 in the DFB-Pokal - so a bit like us, it'll be interesting to see how they cope with the extra fixtures that playing in the CL will bring (assuming we qualify that is). Losing key players even before the season starts is going make a difficult job even more difficult. I just hope we haven't put all our eggs in one basket with this lad. It's quite obvious that money isn't the driving force for the German side.
This. The supposed 20m in "loss' could easily be recovered through next year's CL qualification.
If kieta stays they are looking to improve his contract in the autumn and will raise the clause. If they perform well enough they maybe able to get Kieta to sign the deal. I think it is a good stance by the club. Kieta is very talented and they have evry right to ask top dollar for him.
I do think Liverpool will get VVD but not get kieta. I think they will be able to keep liverpool at bay.
I think you are probably right and as much as I would love both if it came down to one or the other I would rather VVD as he is the sort of guy we are crying out for in a position we desperately need to strengthen. I can't say much regarding Kieta as in all honesty I have never seen him play. In fact I had never heard of him until this transfer window
There are seven founding members of RBL. Dietrich Mateschitz (Owner), Chalerm Yoovidhya (Co-Owner, son of the original co-founder), Oliver Mintzlaff (GM), Andreas Sadlo, Joachim Krug, Rot Weiss Ahlen, and Ulrich Wolter. Ralf Ragnick was originally coach of the club and then promoted to Sporting Director. So you can see just how Ragnick can be outranked on such major decisions where money is involved! BTW, you are correct as far as Keita's release clause is concerned at Euro 55M. I mistakenly thought it was Euro 48M, when it, in fact, is £48M. Apologies.
I've done some research on the various supporters group of Leipzig. There are 27 different fan groups at RBL, and amongst them, The supporter group IG Rasenballisten describes itself as uniting "fanatical and critical fans of RB Leipzig." Members of Rasenballisten said that the group doesn't hesitate to "criticise Red Bull GmbH when found necessary." In fact, recently, RBL were forced to allow supporter groups such as Rasenballisten to sell their own merchandise at the stadium. Then there is the ultra group Red Aces who on 23 August 2015, defied the supposed ban on anti-racist banners in the stadium through displaying a banner with a clear anti-Nazi message. The club was forced to relent. Then there is the organisation Fanprojekt Leipzig who has had major run-ins with the club over various issues. So, there is a definite need for an agenda by RB Leipzig to "appease" their hardcore supporters when selling some of their top players. What you have to understand is that information flow is never seamless. It can go from "appeasing" fans and continue to "buying time" to find replacements for outgoing players. What is so difficult to understand?
Nah the thing you lot do is much funnier.
Christ that's a weak response.
LOL.
All this wall of text for zero important information, but you have done some research..cute
RBL is Mateschitz' baby the same as Chelsea is Abramovic' and City Sheikh Mansour's. The people employed at Leipzig are all handpicked and loyal soldiers..they have no say at anything they only exist to please Mateschitz...his muppets. You are even not allowed to become a member of the club, cos they dont want anybody to interfere with their business.
Saying people from the board are against keeping Keita and pushing to sell is like saying there are people at Chelsea telling Abramovic what to do..as I said, you have no clue what you are talking about. The best is your laughable 'I have sources' talk
NO, you have no creditable sources, but come on and tell us about your sources. Let me guess, you are not allowed to talk about it?You are a pretender and a pretty bad one TBO and all your posts show that you are the prototype of a clueless Liverpool fanboy no idea about the reality. You will know soon enough that all your talk was deluded nonsense.
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Saw that also, if that had been Liverpool it would have it's own thread with 100s of replies by now.
You're free to make a thread about it instead of playing the victim.