If we’d finished 5th and lost in Kiev that would’ve been a disaster of a season. Football is all about fine margins though. If we win next week then it’s an incredible season. If we lose it’s an acceptable one, but Klopp would need to win something next season.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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Fair enough...It would've been a disappointment to finish 5th, but let's be honest, we do have the 5th best squad in the league right now (you can maybe argue Arsenal's is better on individual talent if you truly believe it's all Wenger's fault, but hey, that remains to be seen in my opinion).
Won't be a disaster if Ronaldo, Marcelo, Ramos & co beat us up. Honestly, I kinda expect itIdeally though, if we lose, I'm hoping we'll lose by a respectable margin in a game where we can hold our heads up afterwards n say hey, we gave it our best shot. A good performance in a CL final, even without the win, would still be a pretty good boon for transfers & exposure.
Not to mention pretty lucrative, right? Getting to the final alone might mean we can bring an extra midfielder in.
I don't think the extra few games in the CL is that lucrative (from where you'd expect to have got to vs the final).
Yea, the fact you have CL qualification secured makes a big difference to next week. I don't think too many of you would have been upset with 4th last August.
This is my thinking as well.
Reaching the CL final and failing to win it cannot realistically equate to a successful season for any football club, let alone one such as Liverpool who haven't won anything for over a decade. They would have finished 4th in the league (again) with no trophy to show for their efforts (again). Liverpool fans call this progress, yet none of them can explain what makes this season any better than one from the last 30 years - at least not in terms of visible progress - when asked about it.
Calling progress purely for the sake of it doesn't make it so.
Klopp has proved people like that dumbo that he's gone way beyond that plane now. And if dumbstar can be won over then that's pretty much every Liverpool fan.
Obviously if he goes and buys Benteke, Carroll, Downing, Townsend, etc, this summer then we will waver. And quiver. Thankfully we're nowhere near linked with these types of career suicide players (Brendan
). Heck if he buys this level of shit then he can keep the sixth CL trophy and shove it up his arse. Fair enough...
I don't think the extra few games in the CL is that lucrative (from where you'd expect to have got to vs the final).
I'm honestly not sure. Last 16/QF was a realistic goal I reckon, but I'm not sure how much extra money is in those extra 2-3 rounds. Exposure is definitely good, though!
Klopp has proved people like that dumbo that he's gone way beyond that plane now. And if dumbstar can be won over then that's pretty much every Liverpool fan.
Obviously if he goes and buys Benteke, Carroll, Downing, Townsend, etc, this summer then we will waver. And quiver. Thankfully we're nowhere near linked with these types of career suicide players (Brendan
Who are you currently being linked to and how much do you expect Liverpool to spend over the summer?
Reaching a CL final is a historic achievement, something we've managed just 4 times in the 60 years since its inception. And the reason for us appearing there so few times is simply because the quality of opposition is so strong. Quality and rarity count for a lot in this silly game. You'll get a whole range of opinions on that but the combination of those two factors makes it more impressive than winning an FA cup final or finishing 2nd in my view. You're entitled to a different view but you must at least be able to acknowledge there is room for debate.
Very much debatable.
Reaching a CL final is somewhat of an achievement, granted, but going home empty-handed significantly diminishes that achievement in the grand scheme of things. I mean let's face it, the CL competition is a winner takes all event afterall. Few people people remember the losers as anything more than what they are, the losers.
If Liverpool pull it off, then this discussion will take an entirely different direction and rightfully so. They will have something to shout about (only I won't be able to hear it as my head will be buried deep in the sand)
We've been pretty heavily linked to Fekir and to a lesser extent Dembele (LOL). We were also linked to Jorginho but he's going to City.
As for how much we're going to spend? I'm not sure, apparently we've still got the Coutinho money so I'd be expecting 100 million+ on top of any money we make from player sales.
Klopp has strengthened the defence (finally) with VvD and Robertson. I'm expecting one more top CB to cover for tiredness/injuries. No names linked yet, unfortunately Tarkowski and Lascelles is coming into blurred vision.
Midfield needs serious strengthening. Keita is coming in but we are linked with the likes of Jorgino and Neves. I hope we stick to that level of quality. Ox was not someone I wanted in January but Klopp proved me wrong so he has everyone's benefit of the doubt with purchases there.
Finally up front we're linked with Fekir (apparently done deal) to cover/replace our magical front three. Dembele on loan from Barca is a weird one but gaining traction. Pulisic is one Klopp would love but always seems out of reach.
In summary, no Carroll, Benteke types. Phew.
I posted this earlier but not really in the right place so I’ll move it!
Great time to be an LFC fan and it’s only going to get better. Everything of note that Klopp has achieved in his career so far has been done on a restricted budget. No one actually knows what he can do with the financial backing Liverpool are giving him and I am extremely excited to see where he could take us after another couple of windows.
He famously gets the best out of 'ordinary' players. What will happen when he replaces the weak areas with 3-4 world class players that he really wants?
I genuinely think we might be about to see something a bit special.
Great time to be an LFC fan and it’s only going to get better. Everything of note that Klopp has achieved in his career so far has been done on a restricted budget. No one actually knows what he can do with the financial backing Liverpool are giving him and I am extremely excited to see where he could take us after another couple of windows.
He famously gets the best out of 'ordinary' players. What will happen when he replaces the weak areas with 3-4 world class players that he really wants?
I genuinely think we might be about to see something a bit special.
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Given that in every season we've reached the CL final, we've also won the league, it's hard to really look at that achievement in isolation. But personally getting to Wembley in 2011 was more memorable than winning at Wembley in 2016. I do agree the gap between winners and losers is pretty big though...and I'm definitely worried they'll end up winners! But then I remember Klopp's record in finals
I am pretty sure, that almost every Liverpool fan is happy with this season regardless of how the final ends and thats entirely justified. Titles matter, but few teams are serial winner. A CL final is a very nice achievment (+its not played yet and while Liverpool is the underdog, everything can happen in a on/off match).
Whats slightly delusional (and I am sure, that not all Liverpool fans go down this route) is to expect the next season to be a lot better. That is not how football works. Liverpool will certainly sign a few players, that can improve the team, but every club will try that.
Whats slightly delusional (and I am sure, that not all Liverpool fans go down this route) is to expect the next season to be a lot better. That is not how football works. Liverpool will certainly sign a few players, that can improve the team, but every club will try that.
The Liverpool midfield looks ok to me? Milner getting on but Keita coming in. Can, Keita, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Lallana, Ox, seems pretty solid. Up front Fekir coming in, that should about do it, Mane, Salah, Firmino front three. Fekir, Ox, Ings subs?
VVD and Robertson as you say have added to the defense.
Who is on the out to make way for these new players?
I do believe that Liverpool need a CB better than Klavan (Matip and VVD as startes). A CM with a profile more creative (like Jorgihno). Maybe a forward that can be sub for Mane / Salah because Ings is the sub of Firmino.
Can most likely is going to Juventus.
Can most likely is going to Juventus.
As much as I dislike the club I, will always cheer on an English team in an European Cup Final.
Just wish they were playing another English club!
Just wish they were playing another English club!
If you lose the CL then the season is not very good is it?!
Fourth in the league and no silverware and still running after the elusive Premier League?!
Same answer for you:
If you lose the CL then the season is not very good is it?!
Fourth in the league and no silverware and still running after the elusive Premier League?!
A question for you @christinaa - Have Burnley had a successful season?
Seems you didn't read my comments properly - i said IF - ' If Liverpool don't win the CL they can consider this season as a disaster!
It's that close for them and everything hinges on if they win it !'
If you don't win it would you be happy with 4th place, losing finalist in the CL and no silverware again ??
The answer is they have. They've exceeded expectations... Didn't win anything, but they did well to finish where they are.
Liverpool have the 5th best squad in the league (you can argue +1/-1 in either direction depending on how you rate Chelsea/Arsenal), so finishing top 4 is good. Nothing spectacular, but good.
Liverpool getting to the CL final is somewhat similar to Burnley finishing where they did. No-one expected it. No-one would've predicted at the start of the season that Liverpool would be 90 minutes away from perhaps winning their sixth European Cup.
Sure, chances are we won't win it, but Burnley didn't win anything either... Still, both have already had successful seasons. Burnley's season is better than ours if we don't win it, though
I’d be satisfied with our first back to back CL qualification since 07/08 and 08/09 yes. Even if we lose in Kiev, our season wouldn’t have been a disaster. You’re wrong about that.
If anything, it's still been a success. Would suck to lose, of course, but the season has exceeded all reasonable expectations, so how can that be deemed a failure? To what extent it has exceeded those expectations, however, depends entirely on if we win or lose
The answer is they have. They've exceeded expectations... Didn't win anything, but they did well to finish where they are.
Liverpool have the 5th best squad in the league (you can argue +1/-1 in either direction depending on how you rate Chelsea/Arsenal), so finishing top 4 is good. Nothing spectacular, but good.
Liverpool getting to the CL final is somewhat similar to Burnley finishing where they did. No-one expected it. No-one would've predicted at the start of the season that Liverpool would be 90 minutes away from perhaps winning their sixth European Cup.
Sure, chances are we won't win it, but Burnley didn't win anything either... Still, both have already had successful seasons. Burnley's season is better than ours if we don't win it, though
Ahh so you're comparing Liverpool to Burnley now ?!!
And it's not the sixth European Cup, it's four European Cups and it may be the second Champions League.
I think saying Liverpool have had a disastrous season is very unfair. Going from mediocre to elite takes time; another top 4 finish will set them into a good position going into next season.
That's your opinion and i respect it but I beg to disagree.
Ahh so you're comparing Liverpool to Burnley now ?!!
And it's not the sixth European Cup, it's four European Cups and it may be the second Champions League.
My comparison makes sense
If you exceed expectations, you've had a good season. Simple as. Doesn't matter if you're Real Madrid or Notts County.We've gone from a club that finished top 4 once in 7 years to a club that's finished top 4 twice in 2 years and is in a CL final. Anyone arguing that isn't progress needs to get their head tested, frankly.
I'd be interested to hear how many Man Utd fans would swap their season for Chelsea's? FA Cup or top 4?
I'd be interested to hear how many Man Utd fans would swap their season for Chelsea's? FA Cup or top 4?
Rather have our year than Chelsea's, and also ours if you lose the CL final.
Honestly, posting this on a United forum just after a cup final defeat is kinda daft.
Well while we are at let's pretend had we not signed Salah, what would have happened. Yeah?
On serious note, they say you can't change past but your present and future is in your own hands. I can say let's talk about what can or should have happen instead of what could have happened. That will be more sensible thing to do but we are not here do sensible things, are we?
So let's pretend Chelsea didn't capitulated mid season, do you think we would have priotised CL over securing Top four? Money by playing CL twice in two years > Money from going to the semi one year and not qualifying the next year. The reason we were able to focus on CL was because we were in strong position to finish top four, we were resting our players in and around Semi and before first leg of quarter-final.
Top 4 obviously.
That's interesting, because I remember many in here talking about how trophies are so much more important just a couple of months back.
What's daft?
They are important, but not at the expense of top 4 and CL football the following season. Surprised you need this pointed out to you.
I’d take a top 4 finish, particularly 2nd, over an FA Cup win. No one is going to win every final but there is a better chance of getting to another if a team has the finances from continuous CL participation.
On another point made here, I’m happy with our season even if we lose in CL final and would be more content with such a scenario than finishing in 2nd or 3rd while being knocked out in 2nd round of CL.
Obviously, LVG got sacked for FA Cup and 5th