City improved by 23 points.From 25pts back? It's possible I suppose,.
I think we have about 15 more points in us next season if the stars align. Could be enough.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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I think we have about 15 more points in us next season if the stars align. Could be enough.
On redcafe about your own team the past 3 summers..
96 points will piss the league next season, if we get 96 points I'd be delighted, reckon the league will be won with around 92 points.
If we get 90 points which I think is the peak of what we could hope to do, and city better that then fair fecks to them. Wasn't meant to be if so.
Only way I can see, a title challenge is if Chelsea, Liverpool, Man utd, Spurs and Arsenal all make big push for the title , by spending big and having a go at Man City. Assume top 6 teams give tough challenge to Man City (Head on head) , then one of the top 6 teams can sneak past them, if that happens, Man City will be under immense pressure and pressure does effect a team, like it effect them when they lose 3 games in a week while losing only 2 before that point. Also next season they will push for the champions league and if they find themselves in semi or final, it will certainly effect their league form irrespective of how much squad strength they have because it's really hard to keep 20-22 players match fit, physically and mentally. When you can only start 11 and even this season Guardiola has only worked with small number of players and was lucky with injuries as well as none of his vital cogs( KDB, Sane, Silva, Gundogan etc) had been outlet injured for more than couple of days. Man City is strong team but an injury to player like KDB, Silva, etc will certainly effect their team.
Yes, if it's viewed as being --> +12 / -12 that is looking more do-able. Especially if we think this 6-14 split in the League is gonna be as stark as it's looked at times this year. More stark if you think Arsenal have rather 'under-pointed' this time around (in the away games department, for instance, with them), LFC drew quite a few of course.
Is this 'peak City' - must be quite close, they won 32 of 38 games is it?
Fekir, Keita, another CM like Neves/Jorginho, a CB and a title challenge is possible.
Touche.
What about a better back up to Karius? We should’ve binned Mignolet ages ago. Actually we’d have been better off not signing him at all.
The big issue is what City do. They’ll be able to beat our spending power and I’m sure Guardiola won’t sit still.
I’ve never seen so much love and hysteria over a team that finished 4th. Really goes to show how pundits and the media can spin things to create a certain angle.
Reading the papers/online news articles you’d have thought it was United who had finished 4th and Liverpool second.
Yet again over reacting and they’ve achieved nothing yet, less points than last year but seen as a massive success story.
The mind boggles
Reading the papers/online news articles you’d have thought it was United who had finished 4th and Liverpool second.
Yet again over reacting and they’ve achieved nothing yet, less points than last year but seen as a massive success story.
The mind boggles
Agreed. But they have depth to weather injury, better than anyone else in the league. And it's a big ask for the rest of the league to get their act together for a concerted push for the title.
Everyone on here is rightly pointing out that their team can and will improve with a few good signings - the trouble is, so will City. The only comp that City performed badly in this year was the FA cup. They won two of the other three trophies and got to the 1/4 finals of the CL. They also amassed the biggest points total ever in the PL and broke a load of other records and played some incredible football along the way. I just hope that Klopp outlasts Pep in the PL because (unless every signing we make has the same impact as Salah) thats the only way I feel we will have a realistic chance.
Of course this "logic" will all go out the window once the summer comes and we make a few signings - then I will no doubt predict it will definitely be our year
I'm hoping we can mount a title challenge but realisticly I can't see anyone overcoming City. The difference is their midfield, they regularly smash the trash of the PL and whilst we have improved against them, we are still prone to dropping points against them.
Liverpool finished 4th last season.
They signed a guy who scored a record-breaking 32 league goals... and they finished 4th again. With one point LESS.
They signed a guy who scored a record-breaking 32 league goals... and they finished 4th again. With one point LESS.
Last season we had no European football, this year we made it to the CL final to the detriment of a solitary league point.
2nd top scorers in the league, top scorers in the CL, will set a new scoring record if we score 2 goals in the final.
All the while playing some fantastic football, not perfect football but definitely entertaining.
I'm calling that progress.
Not again!
Though I don't think this one will happen, too many better keepers around who'd go there.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/05/12/arsen...southampton-goalkeeper-alex-mccarthy-7541044/
Though I don't think this one will happen, too many better keepers around who'd go there.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/05/12/arsen...southampton-goalkeeper-alex-mccarthy-7541044/
Yes they have lots of depth but do you think whoever replaces KDB, Silva (if they get injured) will be at same level as them? Also it's very hard to keep players match fit and motivated if they ain't getting much playing time. It takes few matches for players to get to the level of team playing together week in, week out. As it is, I see 4 teams who can cause problems to City ( in their respective matches). Now if any team can manage a better record against the top six teams than City than that team will have given itself good chance at the title. Draws against top six won't help.
Well we reached Champions league which we didn't played last year.
You've had a good cup run but look no closer to a league title.
Record breaking goal scorer and still finished 4th. They are finishing behind us again next season.
If they didn’t have Salah it’d be a very different story. Finishing 4th is a failure not progress. Getting knocked out from the Carabao & FA Cup is failure. And they’re probably going to fall short against Madrid who have beaten far more superior sides than Pool have. If you don’t have any silverware then ultimately it’s failure especially with a manager who has not won anything for 3 seasons. If they win the CL then fair enough Lol scrap the above & call it progress but that’s a big IF against a very experienced side.
To suggest Liverpool have not progressed is disingenuous. A point less in the league yes fair enough but that willfully ignores a cup run that with the depth of squad and injuries they've had is quite impressive.
You look at dropped points vs Stoke and West Brom and a poor performance against a poor Chelsea team around the semi finals, if's and but's fair enough but that moire than likely does not happen if the European tie isn't there, which potentially turns in into an 81 point season.
So next season you have a squad that is capable of achieving 74 points plus a deep champions league run and presumably adding quality into the starting eleven and the associated improved depth that comes with that, it is fair to hope/expect that Liverpool should have an 80+ point season next year plus draw permitting some deep cup runs.
But it is also fair to expect more from City and United.
I don't think Liverpool will win the champions league, but the next two seasons are very important for Liverpool in terms of winning something substantial, even if it's a League/FA cup double or something.
You look at dropped points vs Stoke and West Brom and a poor performance against a poor Chelsea team around the semi finals, if's and but's fair enough but that moire than likely does not happen if the European tie isn't there, which potentially turns in into an 81 point season.
So next season you have a squad that is capable of achieving 74 points plus a deep champions league run and presumably adding quality into the starting eleven and the associated improved depth that comes with that, it is fair to hope/expect that Liverpool should have an 80+ point season next year plus draw permitting some deep cup runs.
But it is also fair to expect more from City and United.
I don't think Liverpool will win the champions league, but the next two seasons are very important for Liverpool in terms of winning something substantial, even if it's a League/FA cup double or something.
I'm pretty sure if Liverpool won the league in the next 2 seasons their fans would be over the moon. They hardly need to win the double to exceed expectations or win something substantial... the league alone is substantial enough.
I have no idea how people can say we haven't made any progress. At the start of the season, all I kept hearing was how we are destined to fail because Klopp's approach is too intense for PL and CL football. People said we have the weakest team out of the top six clubs. Tons predicted that we would finish 6th. Many also said that we won't go far in the CL because of our weak defence. Well I'd say Klopp has answered all his critics, the additional CL games were no issue, his so called average signings were successful buys.
I think you're exaggerating. While some will point out that Liverpool haven't made much progress in the league (this is a fact) and maybe a few will say they've regressed, many have rated Liverpool very well. This forum on aggregate certainly gives Liverpool and Klopp a lot more credit than Rawk or Blue moon would ever give United and Mourinho. Just look at how many United supporters are resigned to Liverpool winning the CL. You'll find United fans are more inclined to believe Liverpool will beat Real than the Scousers on here are.
Yes, this is true. Winning the League needs a very very deep squad and Pool are still replacing lost headcount. Looks like Can would be leaving and he needs to be replaced too going forward. I see them as a cup team right now and i think it will stay that way for next couple of seasons unless they make some serious investments.
Very minimal progress. You still have one of the weakest top 6 squads as evidenced by your league finish and domestic cups.
As said you've had a great cup run in the CL but if you don't win it the season is back to being bang average when you take an step back and look at it.
We actually regressed in the first part of the season with just 3 wins in our first 9 matches. Our defensive issues still hadn't been addressed & we were shipping in goals like there's no tomorrow. Our points tally for the season might be one less than last year, however I doubt anyone could put in a serious argument to say that we're not a better side than we were 12 months ago. & this time last year you had many people doubting we could do as well in the league & go far in the CL. We've proved that we can. We'll strengthen our squad this summer. Given Klopp's record in the transfer market you'd put your money on his signings making a positive impact. Plus I seriously doubt, that with a settled back four now, our start to next season will be far less productive than the last one.
Lots of people saying we've gone a decent cup run yet show me one Utd fan who wouldn't trade seasons right now (2nd and FA Cup final to play for Vs 4th and CL final coming up). I'd say that's progress Vs last season (same points but no Europe), alongside having one of the best attacks in Europe at the moment. The CL may technically be a cup but reaching the final is a little bit more than just a cup run, a phrase which I associate more with domestic cups, where you can get lucky and reach the final. To reach the CL final you need more than just a little bit of luck, you have to get through a group stage and knockouts. Most of the smaller teams are giants in their country and can be dangerous if not dealt with. And yes, of course Madrid have had a much tougher route to the final, but that doesn't mean ours was easy.
More urgently, I am having serious anxiety watching Wijnaldum play. The guy seems to have only one setting, pass backwards. I've seen him have 2 or 3 players clear ahead of him, and instead he stops turns and tries a more difficult pass back. I don't understand it. On the ball he is not terrible, but it seems he just cannot pass forward. Being conservative in possession is one thing, but the guy literally goes out of his way to send the ball backwards. Watching him at Chelsea away especially nearly broke my brain, you just know when he gets the ball the attack is dead. I'm not a big fan of Henderson but at least he tries to get the attack going with some forward thinking play, limited though he may be.
More urgently, I am having serious anxiety watching Wijnaldum play. The guy seems to have only one setting, pass backwards. I've seen him have 2 or 3 players clear ahead of him, and instead he stops turns and tries a more difficult pass back. I don't understand it. On the ball he is not terrible, but it seems he just cannot pass forward. Being conservative in possession is one thing, but the guy literally goes out of his way to send the ball backwards. Watching him at Chelsea away especially nearly broke my brain, you just know when he gets the ball the attack is dead. I'm not a big fan of Henderson but at least he tries to get the attack going with some forward thinking play, limited though he may be.
Whether we progressed or not progressed is debatable. but we fans know that we are on right path and going to make impression next season. compare that with United fans, despite being second in table, half of them are not happy with Mourinho and not sure of what kind of football will be served to them next season.
I think we have lots of areas to improve and it would be interesting to see who we buy this summer.
I think we have lots of areas to improve and it would be interesting to see who we buy this summer.
This is a disingenuous comparison. United fans are never unanimously happy. There was lots of moaning during Ferguson days too. Very few of us would not recognize the progression given we finished second in the league and 6th and 5th the years prior.
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Haha I stand corrected. Hello friend.
Bizarre. How on earth do you arrive at 2nd+fa Cup final > 4th+cl final? Nevermind the difference in quality of football on display.
Can I ask why you would trade? Is it because you don't think Utd would have any chance against Real Madrid and therefore a good chance of an FA cup win is better than a remote chance of a CL win?
No progress .
We lost our best player ( at that point) in January and our other most creative player has spent the season injured. We had a poor start to the season but since the Spurs game we've been pretty damn good. I'm as critical as anyone of FSG and our net spend because I feel we can do a lot lot more but with the squad depth we have a CL run all the way to the final and 4th is impressive. VVD/Karius have helped stabilise us defensively. If we didn't go so deep in the CL we'd have challenged for second and that's with an inferior overall squad.
I want a league title as much as anyone but these our first back to back top 4 finishes in over a decade. It's progress no matter which way you want to dress it up. You pay your best players double/triple what we can and that's fair enough you earned that money it's yours to do what you will. But to call our season a failure is just ignorance of context.
Next season we need to push on just as much because similar depth will cripple us as it is now. Our big game record in the league is appalling but unsurprising when you consider the structure and personell this season compared to last.
.We lost our best player ( at that point) in January and our other most creative player has spent the season injured. We had a poor start to the season but since the Spurs game we've been pretty damn good. I'm as critical as anyone of FSG and our net spend because I feel we can do a lot lot more but with the squad depth we have a CL run all the way to the final and 4th is impressive. VVD/Karius have helped stabilise us defensively. If we didn't go so deep in the CL we'd have challenged for second and that's with an inferior overall squad.
I want a league title as much as anyone but these our first back to back top 4 finishes in over a decade. It's progress no matter which way you want to dress it up. You pay your best players double/triple what we can and that's fair enough you earned that money it's yours to do what you will. But to call our season a failure is just ignorance of context.
Next season we need to push on just as much because similar depth will cripple us as it is now. Our big game record in the league is appalling but unsurprising when you consider the structure and personell this season compared to last.
We are in the CL final. That is major progress.
Just conveniently ignoring us reaching the UCL final? And considering we lost our best player in January we've done really well. We've had 3 top four finishes in 9 years, expectations for us are lower than they are for United. When you play the style Mourinho plays and the money he has spent you will be criticised United fans themselves criticise the style of play.
Liverpool have an extremely difficult final to play against serial CL winners Real, whilst United face one of the weakest Chelsea sides in recent memory. We finished above you in the table and have a very good chance of adding another trophy to an already vast collection.
As things stand, United are clearly in the stronger position in terms which team had the better season. Should Liverpool fluke a win over Real and bring home the CL trophy in the process, that perception will have altered somewhat, otherwise it's just another standard Liverpool season - top 4 finish with little to progress made - which is something your club has been doing for 30 years thereabouts. Sure your fans would have enjoyed a good CL run, but ultimately it will be for nothing should you fail to beat Real.
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You haven't defeated a true European heavyweight along your path to the final, though. Beating Real would change that fact, but you have to beat them first. How could you possibly say progress has been made after finishing 4th in the league (comfortably below United in second I might add) and yet again failing to secure a long overdue trophy as well. Reaching a CL final is all well and good, but it amounts to the grand total of nothing should you fail to win in said final.