Liverpool - 2017/18

haram said:
The draw was away to Arsenal as well. They scored 3 and conceded 3. They have managed 2 goals against the rest and one of those was the Bailly own goal. World class attack.
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There’s no shame in having a poor record in the hardest fixtures in a season. Our front three has 89 goals between them in all competitions, which I would class as amazing.

On another note I feel bad for Joe Gomez. Played through the pain barrier in two games and he was heavily criticised for his performances. Now he’s out for the final and has no chance of going to Russia.
 
Kostov said:
If Liverpool wins the CL that must be one of the biggest flukes in the tournament's entire history, together with their 2005 triumph and that Chelsea one in 2012. Take those 3 attackers up front and everything else is very underwhelming.
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I'm not sure how beating that Juve side which had some fantastic players, Mourinho's Chelsea, and an all time great AC Milan side can be considered a fluke.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
I'm not sure how beating that Juve side which had some fantastic players, Mourinho's Chelsea, and an all time great AC Milan side can be considered a fluke.
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Well your captain ''fantastic'' diving to win the penalty after which you equalized I don't consider as some glorious footballing moment.
 
Kostov said:
Well your captain ''fantastic'' diving to win the penalty after which you equalized I don't consider as some glorious footballing moment.
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Gerrard didn’t dive, Gattuso fouled him.

You’ve also conveniently ignored the blatant handball by Nesta which then led to Milan’s second goal.
 
Klopper76 said:
Gerrard didn’t dive, Gattuso fouled him.

You’ve also conveniently ignored the blatant handball by Nesta which then led to Milan’s second goal.
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It was a dive, if it was for Manchester United, Liverpool and the rest of the ABU's would have been all over it. And I don't remember the Nesta handball, but there was some video of a perfectly legal goal being disallowed for Juventus at Enfield in 2005, not sure who scored it, maybe it was Ibrahimovic.
 
Klopper76 said:
There’s no shame in having a poor record in the hardest fixtures in a season. Our front three has 89 goals between them in all competitions, which I would class as amazing.

On another note I feel bad for Joe Gomez. Played through the pain barrier in two games and he was heavily criticised for his performances. Now he’s out for the final and has no chance of going to Russia.
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Yet Real Madrid are better than any team the Prem has to offer...
 
Cal? said:
Yet Real Madrid are better than any team the Prem has to offer...
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Cup finals are an entirely different kettle of fish though. Don't get me wrong, I'm still expecting us to lose, but who knows?

Honestly, a Spanish clean sweep in Europe is looking probable. Wonder what odds you can get on that... Atletico & Real both winning within 90 minutes?
 
Kostov said:
It was a dive, if it was for Manchester United, Liverpool and the rest of the ABU's would have been all over it. And I don't remember the Nesta handball, but there was some video of a perfectly legal goal being disallowed for Juventus at Enfield in 2005, not sure who scored it, maybe it was Ibrahimovic.
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You’re thinking of a goal that was correctly ruled out for offside against someone like Nedved or Del Piero.

Gerrard didn’t dive, Gattuso fouled him. It’s not even debatable.

The only decision that we incorrectly got was the Garcia goal, which I’m sure was preferable for Chelsea. The alternative would’ve seen Cech off and us given a penalty for the foul on Baros.
 
Cal? said:
Yet Real Madrid are better than any team the Prem has to offer...
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It’s not an away game though. We don’t have the Anfield advantage but we’re not playing away from home either.

I don’t think we’ll win by the way, but it’s not going to be as one sided as people think.
 
Klopper76 said:
You’re thinking of a goal that was correctly ruled out for offside against someone like Nedved or Del Piero.

Gerrard didn’t dive, Gattuso fouled him. It’s not even debatable.

The only decision that we incorrectly got was the Garcia goal, which I’m sure was preferable for Chelsea. The alternative would’ve seen Cech off and us given a penalty for the foul on Baros.
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Smicer's goal was very fortuitous in the final. The linesman was waving his flag for offside but the referee missed it. You then go and score like 15 seconds later.

And let's not even get started on Dudek coming out about 15 miles for each penalty save :)
 
esmufc07 said:
Smicer's goal was very fortuitous in the final. The linesman was waving his flag for offside but the referee missed it. You then go and score like 15 seconds later.

And let's not even get started on Dudek coming out about 15 miles for each penalty save :)
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Oh yeah forgot about that but out of the three saves I think Dudek only came out an unreasonable distance for the Pirlo one.
 
Cal? said:
Yet Real Madrid are better than any team the Prem has to offer...
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Since about December I've been saying the opposite - that City are the best side in Europe and Spain's top two can be matched by 2-3 English sides. I stand by that, but we'll find out later this month.
 
esmufc07 said:
Smicer's goal was very fortuitous in the final. The linesman was waving his flag for offside but the referee missed it. You then go and score like 15 seconds later.

And let's not even get started on Dudek coming out about 15 miles for each penalty save :)
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I think its fair to say Milan were much the better team but we had some luck which made the difference. I remember Bayern hitting the woodwork against utd in 99. Call it what you want, destiny, luck, fate, or even sometimes plain cheating (hand of God or Henchoz handling from henry in 2001) but there are moments in big games which make you think that maybe there is something in that saying "if your name is on the trophy".

We had it in 2005 for sure. If we win it this year then the City offside goal and whatever moments go our way in the final will no doubt form part of the narrative that we were destined to win it.
 
Finn MacCool said:
I remember Bayern hitting the woodwork against utd in 99.
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Twice..

2005 is talked about, as if it was the luckiest win ever, but the '99 final was in the same bracket luckwise imo.

Before you all choke in here, let me say, that I actually cheered for Man United in that final. You had the best team in Europe imo, and deserved to win CL but you were so lucky in the final. Had Keane and Scholes not been suspended you probably hadn't needed the luck though.
 
Klopper76 said:
You’re thinking of a goal that was correctly ruled out for offside against someone like Nedved or Del Piero.

Gerrard didn’t dive, Gattuso fouled him. It’s not even debatable.

The only decision that we incorrectly got was the Garcia goal, which I’m sure was preferable for Chelsea. The alternative would’ve seen Cech off and us given a penalty for the foul on Baros.
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It very hard to find videos, but i think it was Zlatan.

Not even debatable? I would love if someone can post the poor dive your captain executed, how the contact with Gattuso ended for half a second and he just collapsed like all the divers do. It was long time ago so people might have forgoten, but it was incredibly jammy come back.
 
Kostov said:
It very hard to find videos, but i think it was Zlatan.

Not even debatable? I would love if someone can post the poor dive your captain executed, how the contact with Gattuso ended for half a second and he just collapsed like all the divers do. It was long time ago so people might have forgoten, but it was incredibly jammy come back.
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He flopped to get them out of the group stage that year anyway
 
Halds said:
Twice..

2005 is talked about, as if it was the luckiest win ever, but the '99 final was in the same bracket luckwise imo.

Before you all choke in here, let me say, that I actually cheered for Man United in that final. You had the best team in Europe imo, and deserved to win CL but you were so lucky in the final. Had Keane and Scholes not been suspended you probably hadn't needed the luck though.
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No, it wasn't. That's pure delusion. First off, overturning a 1 goal deficit isn't remotely the same as coming back from 3 goals down, not even in the same ballpark.

Secondly, United scoring late winners was a very common occurrence at the time. It was something the club were known for, which is why injury time has all but been renamed 'Fergie time'. There were many people watching that game who expected us to score (including the commentator with his now famous phrase 'Can United score. They always score')

Not the same.
 
RichMet said:
Yep, just as apparently there was no chance that Liverpool would get past Man City according to many on here, probably including yourself. I would suggest that Real Madrid are probably favourites but with Liverpool's attack and their defence then there really isn't much in it.
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Liverpool hardly have a great defence either though let's be honest!
 
Halds said:
Twice..

2005 is talked about, as if it was the luckiest win ever, but the '99 final was in the same bracket luckwise imo.

Before you all choke in here, let me say, that I actually cheered for Man United in that final. You had the best team in Europe imo, and deserved to win CL but you were so lucky in the final. Had Keane and Scholes not been suspended you probably hadn't needed the luck though.
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What the hell, United 99 can't be described by luck by any means. It's completely the opposite. Just look at the draws. Getting Barca and Bayern in group stage, then Inter, Juve and Bayern in KO stages and final. Not to mention in the same season United won the Fa Cup defeating Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal in their way. This United side was getting the worst of the draws but were winning and doing several comebacks.

This is by far one of the most respectable and well deserved trebles for me. United didn't win this treble because they were getting favorable draws or lucky moments in games.
 
Great result for us tonight, a point for Huddersfield tomorrow would mean they’re safe, hopefully they are going all out to secure it asap.
 
Klopper76 said:
You’re thinking of a game against Atletico in the 08/09 season. In that game he definitely dived.
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Yes, that one was awful.

Anyway, I've forensically examined the Istanbul penalty incident - where for me, he feels some contact & although he can't wait to go down, the Ref is entitled to give it I suppose, :(.
 
el3mel said:
What the hell, United 99 can't be described by luck by any means. It's completely the opposite. Just look at the draws. Getting Barca and Bayern in group stage, then Inter, Juve and Bayern in KO stages and final. Not to mention in the same season United won the Fa Cup defeating Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal in their way. This United side was getting the worst of the draws but were winning and doing several comebacks.

This is by far one of the most respectable and well deserved trebles for me. United didn't win this treble because they were getting favorable draws or lucky moments in games.
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Did you read my post at all?
 
RobinLFC said:
Great result for us tonight, a point for Huddersfield tomorrow would mean they’re safe, hopefully they are going all out to secure it asap.
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No way. A draw would have been best. That would have left Hud needing a draw at Chelsea AND a draw against Arsenal. Now they just need a draw against Arsenal at home so will be 10% less fussed about not getting anything at Stamford Bridge. Swansea can feck off to the championship. A complete non-entity of a team all season.
 
Tommy said:
Cup finals are an entirely different kettle of fish though. Don't get me wrong, I'm still expecting us to lose, but who knows?

Honestly, a Spanish clean sweep in Europe is looking probable. Wonder what odds you can get on that... Atletico & Real both winning within 90 minutes?
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Not saying you have no chance, but Cup finals are not entirely different...
Klopper76 said:
It’s not an away game though. We don’t have the Anfield advantage but we’re not playing away from home either.

I don’t think we’ll win by the way, but it’s not going to be as one sided as people think.
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Real Madrid have a better record away from the Bernabeu.
ShadesOfTomato said:
Since about December I've been saying the opposite - that City are the best side in Europe and Spain's top two can be matched by 2-3 English sides. I stand by that, but we'll find out later this month.
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City are the best side in Europe? :lol: We'll see...
 
Regarding that CL Final shootout in 2005, having just watched a highlights video on Youtube its clear Dudek comes off of his line in at least 3 pens. The Pirlo one he was nearly on the 6yd box!

So anyway I wanted some clarification on the rules of putting off an opponent before they take the kick and the FA website states that:

"The player taking the penalty kick must be clearly identified. The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball has been kicked."

Shouldn't have counted then.
 
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Halds said:
Did you read my post at all?
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Yes and if we go by your logic then Madrid were also pretty lucky in winning their 2014 CL final by scoring via a corner in last minute. It's called fighting for the last minute and this United side did it several times this season not just in the final.
 
el3mel said:
Yes and if we go by your logic then Madrid were also pretty lucky in winning their 2014 CL final by scoring via a corner in last minute. It's called fighting for the last minute and this United side did it several times this season not just in the final.
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My logic?? I didn't mention late minute goals at all..
 
Halds said:
My logic?? I didn't mention late minute goals at all..
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What is it with saying something then when getting confronted with it you say you didn't say it ? Your whole post was talking about us being lucky in 99 final, when I replied that this United side can't be described by being lucky at all you said "read my post" as if you are mentioning being lucky in the final only, then when I replied on scoring late goals isn't being lucky especially in this year, you also said you didn't mention it so what ? Which luck did you mean then ? :lol:

Do you have any point at all or you will keep denying you write the post ? You said we were lucky in the final, so stand by it instead of continuously denying it because you get nothing to replay with.
 
Kapardin said:
He's saying that because Liverpool beat the best side in Europe 5-1, which makes Liverpool the bestest side in Europe now.:lol:
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United have beaten both Liverpool and City this season. Does that mean United are the bestest of the bestest in Europe?

logic is fun when you use it to your advantage.
 
kouroux said:
I'm sorry but this is just dumb
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He is not the only one who overrates this Chelsea side. There was other guy who said how Madrid players will be chasing the shadows if they play against City.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
They were favourites to win the CL up until they went out, so it seems the bookies agreed. They've had a better season than Madrid, for sure.
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Bookies know feck all sometimes.
Forget what they have done in the PL because that is irrelevant when it comes to the CL. Judge teams in the competition they all took part in.
 
LordSpud said:
Regarding that CL Final shootout in 2005, having just watched a highlights video on Youtube its clear Dudek comes off of his line in at least 3 pens. The Pirlo one he was nearly on the 6yd box!

So anyway I wanted some clarification on the rules of putting off an opponent before they take the kick and the FA website states that:

"The player taking the penalty kick must be clearly identified. The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball has been kicked."

Shouldn't have counted then.
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Why are you debating decisions for a match from 13 years ago that doesn't involve your team?
 
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