Keita and VVD would no doubt be good signings for you, just find it hilarious how Liverpool fans for the last 12 months have not stopped talking about the Pogba fee and now they are about to spend that on these two all of that is forgotten and it's now OK.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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Pogba was worth every penny.
The real issue is Stones and Walker going for 50m. Van Dijk valued at 70m. That's ridiculous.
The real issue is Stones and Walker going for 50m. Van Dijk valued at 70m. That's ridiculous.
I don't really care about fees. What I would say is that I think Pogba possibly didn't fulfill the expectations that came with the fee - whether you agree with that or not it's a legitimate debate to have.
Plus, this summer is extraordinary in terms of fees. Records are getting smashed by nearly every club I suspect. Comparisons with 2016 or any other window is almost redundant.
It was more the fact you had to pay a fortune to get him back! And Juventus say you could have had him for a lot less, like @redman5 says.
To be honest I wasn't all that impressed with him last season anyway.
As for us, we had a negative net spend last season yet still managed to get in the top 4, I said countless times that could pave the way for a less frantic summer window with a smaller number of quality players brought in.
If we don't manage to mess it all up we could achieve that and strengthen in areas where we badly need to.
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Looks like keita could happen. That would make me well excited. Without having watched him play I am now sure he'd be the best midfielder in the league.
Based on what exactly ? He didn't get a mention in the Player of The Year awards, & didn't even win the club's POTY.
Rio Ferdinand was hideously over-priced when United paid £30 million for him. It was only when he retired could people say he was worth every penny. Pogba has got a long way to go before he even gets close to justifying the money paid for him.
He didn't though tbf, the fee is nothing to do with him and more to do with United being poor at negotiations (and Juve knowing they had us over a barrel).
That said, if you watch him week in week out, you can see he's top class... he's gone from playing in a strong Juve midfield (where the other two allowed him to play his best game) to having to cover all roles in an average United midfield (Herrera allowing).
If we get a def midfielder so Pogba can stop arsing about with defensive duties, he should be able to drive forward more (link to forwards, shoot) and we should see something closer to his true ability.
Was he worth £90m? As we have the income streams/money to afford it, who cares. In two years time, I can see loads of "decent" players (not even top.20 in Europe players) going for that. Also if he stays for two contracts ("if"), we get 8 years of top Pogba... in the same way £80m looked huge for Ronaldo but in hindsight, Real got a bargain.
Made me laugh.
It's not the incredible TV rights which inflated the market. It's United who did by the Pogba deal, makes no sense.
He was consistently one of our best chance creators and a real threat from the midfield. World class movement and technique. Improved his defensive work as well. Had no preseason at all, played almost every game and yet delivered performances to the extent that whenever he didn't play, we didn't look as good.
The only reasons he didn't get the honors is because his midfield partners were not good enough to give him full license to attack, his teammates up front missed many chances he laid out to them on a platter, and he himself needs to work on his finishing and aim for the net rather than the crossbar. If these 3 problems are resolved, he will get 10+ goals and 10+ assists every season.
Rivals think he was wank based on his one-off weak performances (against Liverpool at home for instance) or the fact that he doesn't have as many goals or assists as expected. But those who watched every game he played should be able to see he is truly world class with margin for improvement.
You missed the fact Zlatan is staying with us I presume? And Rojo will be back before Xmas.
In regards to Pogba, alot of his fee was based on future potential aswell. He did have a good season last year, but that doesn't suit the press narrative so most think he was poor. I would say there is definitely room for improvement though, you seen in the France v England game how much better he is with a true DM behind him and that's what I'm hoping for this window.
The prices in this window are out of hand though. Can't help but wonder what level it will have to get to before it all bursts.
Whilst VVD and Keita would be good signings their fees are ridiculous.
VVD at 70m is a complete farce when you have Bonucci moving for less than half that fee.
Paying close to 190m for those two plus Salah would be madness however it would improve their squad.
VVD at 70m is a complete farce when you have Bonucci moving for less than half that fee.
Paying close to 190m for those two plus Salah would be madness however it would improve their squad.
Based on the prices of the other players.
Plus we won 2 trophies with him and he scored a goal in one of those finals. Check the stats and you'll see he's up there with the best in the league.
Thought it were just rumours that perhaps he'd be back after New Year? Fair enough if it's confirmed, but even then a claim like 'hold them off easily' is pretty bold and nothing more than pure speculation based on very few facts imo.
BUT POGBA'S OVERPRICED LA
Fees aren't related and completely different situations: Bonucci and Allegri clashed and he didn't want to leave Italy, important circumstances to take into consideration. I definitely agree that £70m for Van Dijk is a fecking farce though. Wouldn't have that much of a problem with £65m for Keita as I think it'll be looked at as a brilliant deal for us in a few years. Still a big if though, of course.
& yet for all that it was another midfielder who won United's POTY.
Pogba was signed before those 2 players came into the equation. We signed mane for £30 million last summer, why don't you use him as a comparison ? Just like Ferdinand, he was hideously overpriced. Unlike Ferdinand though he's yet to justify it. The future might show him to be worth every penny, but at this moment in time you paid well over the odds for him. Just as we will if we sign the likes of Keita & VVD for the prices quoted. & I'll only be judging them on their worth towards the end of their respective careers.
Yeah the hold them off easy nonsense is pure posturing.
I think it's naive to suggest United haven't strengthened though and I'm sure everyone has business left to complete.
Funny how everyone starts to accept the Pogba deal when their own club starts splashing cash.
As said in this window Bonucci has moved for less than half the VVD fee. Just let that sink in.. VVD is decent but he's not into best defender in the world territory. He's also not a future star at 26.
Keita has more potential but unlike Pogba is totally unproven. I think he'd be a good signing but his fee for what he's actually done in his career to date is extraordinary to say the least.
Typical Liverpool fan, you're probably one of them pool fans that think Henderson is better. Pogba at 24 had a difficult first season. He got 9 goals and 6 assists in all competitions. Anyone that watched United last year will know he should have had closer to 20 assists, poor finishing especially from Zlatan prevented this. Pogba is going to tare it up in the league this season. When you look at the Kyle Walker fee and sigurdsson potential fee, it looks like good business. We have a player who is going to be the best midfielder in world football in the the next 2 to 3 years.
Yeah, saying that his midfield partners, plural, wasn't good enough is a bit strange, seeing as how Herrera was his main partner and all.
Because one player has a great season does not diminish the fact that Pogba had a very good season for us. No one is worth £89m, but I have not a single regret in terms of what we payed for him compared to his contribution last season. I find it weird to even argue otherwise.
Wtf? Surely 70m for Van Dijk must be some kind of joke?
Liverpool need to look outside of England in that case. There are plenty of quality defenders who would be far cheaper and are almost as good as VVD.
It baffles me that Klopp of all people would be pushing for a deal like this. He is renowned for spotting bargains and talent where others do not.
65m for Keita on the other hand is very risky, but can become a good deal in hindsight if Keita lives up to his clear potential.
Liverpool need to look outside of England in that case. There are plenty of quality defenders who would be far cheaper and are almost as good as VVD.
It baffles me that Klopp of all people would be pushing for a deal like this. He is renowned for spotting bargains and talent where others do not.
65m for Keita on the other hand is very risky, but can become a good deal in hindsight if Keita lives up to his clear potential.
Indeed, and if we all get all or most our main targets then it looks like another very exciting season ahead.
I think he's very good. I'm just suggesting that his price renders him exposed to a degree of criticism. I suspect he'll have a much better second season.
What's to sink in? It's the PL. it carries a premium. It's insane. Lukaku is evidence of the nature of the English market. The glib point scoring about money paid is too prominent. These sides are loaded. Let them spend.
Henderson shouldn't even be in our starting eleven.
Pogba was good last season, I agree. Whether his performance warranted being the most expensive player in the world, I'll let others decide, though.
If his development continues, you'll probably send him to Madrid in a few years time and get your money back.
We haven't spent that sort of cash on a 24 year old to send him on his way once he reaches his peak, we've signed him for his peak.
Keita has more potential than who, Pogba?
Think he means to develop into a world class player.
Source aware of Naby Keita on going discussions
Yeah i was thinking this also. Absolutely ludicrous thing to say if that's what he means.
I don't usually agree with you but I do here.
To be honest we did same to Chelsea when the Glazers wouldn't spend on reinforcements and we had to depend on SAF's genius. Speaking fairly, the market is inflated even for decent to average players.
Kieta is very highly rated. Really hope Liverpool don't get him.
I think 75m is a fair price given United tax and the proven goalscoring in the PL of the player. Also homegrown and young.
No. Just he has potential as a player to step up another level IMO