Liverpool - 2017/18

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Klopp has history as a manager against Madrid and Bayern?

Beat Mourinho's Madrid with Dortmund and beat/competed with Heynckes/Pep's Bayern.

It doesn't mean jack but he has experience and in this respect, his coaching in the Champions League and defeats of City have been very underrated.

To be fair, it seems Klopp didn't fare as well once Heynckes went to Bayern in 2013. Although it must be said that was a Bayern side at its peak whom were plucking his best players from him. It would be an interesting match up.

Other than that, I think Madrid are ripe for a pasting. Roma are a bit of an unknown quantity but look very beatable on paper.
 
Has anyone mentioned the fact that Klopp has history as a manager against Madrid and Bayern?

Beat Mourinho's Madrid with Dortmund and beat/competed with Heynckes/Pep's Bayern.

It doesn't mean jack but he has experience and in this respect, his coaching in the Champions League and defeats of City have been very underrated.

Where do you get the idea they were underrated? First leg v City they were sensational. Second not so much let's me honest. Klopp was pretty much outclassed in the first half and got the rub of the green with a few decisions.
 
Where do you get the idea they were underrated? First leg v City they were sensational. Second not so much let's me honest. Klopp was pretty much outclassed in the first half and got the rub of the green with a few decisions.

Every team in the world would be outclassed away from home against City, a hungry version as well it has to be said. We were last weekend - we let in two goals as well, and they didn't play KdB, Walker, Aguero etc. In the first half, City scored early and never got the second one (they should have of course - stupid linesman), but also Liverpool missed a sitter in the 45th minutes to level the game. I would not say they were outclassed, Liverpool "won" that first half by not letting in two goals or more. With only 1-0 up, City went into panic and lost the game in the second half as a consequence. At 2-0 or 3-0, it can be five.
 
Would be nice if they lose top 4 spot to Chelsea by resting players for CL and get knocked out as well
 
Can't argue with the running thing, but it seems a bit odd that you're acknowledging a slow start to the season but not attributing any part of that to playing in the CL.

You've dropped points in 14 games so far this season, 10 of which came in the first half of the season, during which time you played 8 CL games (including the qualifier), compared to 4 so far in the second half of the season. You also played an additional mid-week game in the league cup.

You drew 3-3 with Watford the game before your qualifier first leg.
You lost 5-0 to City and drew 1-1 with Burnley either side of your first group game.
You drew 1-1 with Newcastle after your second group game.
You drew 0-0 with United and lost 4-1 to Spurs either side of your third group game.
You drew 1-1 with Chelsea after your fifth group game.
You drew 1-1 with Everton after your final group game.
You lost 2-1 to United after your last 16 second leg.
You drew 0-0 with Everton after your quarter final first leg.

That's 10 games where you've dropped points either immediately before or after a mid-week CL fixture, that's 71% of your dropped points. Of the four games where you dropped points but weren't immediately before or after a CL fixture, two of them were during the Christmas fixture congestion (West Brom 0-0 was a mid-week game and Arsenal 3-3 was immediately before a mid-week game), meaning of the 14 games in which you've dropped points, just two were not immediately before or after a mid-week fixture (Swansea 1-0 and Tottenham 2-2), which means that 86% of your dropped points have come immediately before or after a mid-week game.

I don't really care about league table this season because neither did we challenge for the title nor you. Your point about midweek is accurate but thing is we have pretty much played same line up for all of the seasons, the difference between our 11 and rest of the subs is huge. We also dropped lots of points in and around the festive period just like you. Because Klopp knew he can't afford to lose any of his player and was using lot of changes week in week out. I think playing high intensity football and winning the title is possible if you a deep squad, that is what Klopp is going to do in upcoming transfer window.
 
Liverpool may feel they have no-one to fear in the CL semis, but let’s consider the opposition perspective:

Bayern seemed to cope with Sevilla better than Liverpool did, so I think they would have some confidence in prevailing over two legs.

Roma will be on an absolute high after coming back against Barcelona, and will feel they can beat anyone. If they can beat Barca, I’m sure they would be feeling confident against Liverpool.

Real Madrid despite scraping through were without Benzema & Ramos. Maybe also guilty of being complacent after the first leg v Juve. Depends if Zidane can motivate them/kick them up the arse and remind them they are in a CL semi again, if so we should see an improved showing. Plus Ronaldo wants to go ahead of Messi in terms of Ballon d’or wins before he retires, so he should be well up for it.
 
Liverpool may feel they have no-one to fear in the CL semis, but let’s consider the opposition perspective:

Bayern seemed to cope with Sevilla better than Liverpool did, so I think they would have some confidence in prevailing over two legs.

Roma will be on an absolute high after coming back against Barcelona, and will feel they can beat anyone. If they can beat Barca, I’m sure they would be feeling confident against Liverpool.

Real Madrid despite scraping through were without Benzema & Ramos. Maybe also guilty of being complacent after the first leg v Juve. Depends if Zidane can motivate them/kick them up the arse and remind them they are in a CL semi again, if so we should see an improved showing. Plus Ronaldo wants to go ahead of Messi in terms of Ballon d’or wins before he retires, so he should be well up for it.
I'm sure all of Roma, Real, Bayern and ourselves, Liverpool, are confident, they can beat the rest. And rightly so.

Most people have Real as favourites, and then Bayern, but they're not as strong, as they have been imo.. I really can't say who is favourites right now. For me, they all have about 25% chance of winning it.

Personally, I'd like to avoid Roma. Give me Real Madrid, please.
 
I'm taking some comfort from the fact that, bar the City matches, the only win they've had against a top 6 team in 7 attempts this season is a home win v Arsenal. Still praying they don't draw Roma though!
 
I'm taking some comfort from the fact that, bar the City matches, the only win they've had against a top 6 team in 7 attempts this season is a home win v Arsenal. Still praying they don't draw Roma though!

That's a good point.

They seem perfectly set up to beat City but they've struggled in the other big games.
 
I think if Liverpool play Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, the order of the matches is gonna be so important. For instance, Liverpool will prefer to have the 1st leg played at Anfield to get an advantage and then play on the counter in the return leg as they did vs City. However, if they played away first, they'll most probably be chasing a result at Anfield and they will not find the spaces as there is no reason for Madrid or Bayern to open up. However, I feel they are gonna play Roma with Salah scoring in the return leg at the Olimpico to send them to Kyiv without celebrating vs his old team "It's his season and It's written in the stars :( "

Nah, Majority of Liverpool fans want the away leg first and play the 2nd leg at Anfield.

Me, personally, i want Real Madrid, I'm confident we can beat them in a 2 legged tie opposed to a one game final.

I think it's going to be

Liverpool vs Bayern
Madrid vs Roma
 
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That's a good point.

They seem perfectly set up to beat City but they've struggled in the other big games.

That'd be a wrong conclusion IMO. Klopp's teams are and have always been completely unpredictable due to their style. There is one single way that has always worked against him (especially if your players are better than his) which is to defend deep and rely on your player's individual quality upfront, which is what Mou and also Pep did once when he was still at our club. Apart from that they are always their biggest enemies in the big games if the opposition is trying to go toe on toe with them.
 
It would be just like them to lose to Bournemouth on Saturday after knocking City out the CL.
 
That'd be a wrong conclusion IMO. Klopp's teams are and have always been completely unpredictable due to their style. There is one single way that has always worked against him (especially if your players are better than his) which is to defend deep and rely on your player's individual quality upfront, which is what Mou and also Pep did once when he was still at our club. Apart from that they are always their biggest enemies in the big games if the opposition is trying to go toe on toe with them.

I'm also clinging to Klopp's terrible cup final record.
 
I'm also clinging to Klopp's terrible cup final record.

His record means little IMO. His teams have mostly been the underdogs or at least no favourites in most knockout games, the fact that they even get anywhere close to the final in those competitions (especially the CL) proves that his teams ceilings are way, way higher than the sum of their parts. Luckily they underperform quite a lot too, but I've said it before the City games that in a knockout-tie or single game where the opposition does not park the bus, it's a coin flip even if their opposition are called Barca/Bayern/Real/City.
 
His record means little IMO. His teams have mostly been the underdogs or at least no favourites in most knockout games, the fact that they even get anywhere close to the final in those competitions (especially the CL) proves that his teams ceilings are way, way higher than the sum of their parts. Luckily they underperform quite a lot too, but I've said it before the City games that in a knockout-tie or single game where the opposition does not park the bus, it's a coin flip even if their opposition are called Barca/Bayern/Real/City.

I disagree with that but we shall see I suppose.
 
To be fair, it seems Klopp didn't fare as well once Heynckes went to Bayern in 2013. Although it must be said that was a Bayern side at its peak whom were plucking his best players from him. It would be an interesting match up.

Other than that, I think Madrid are ripe for a pasting. Roma are a bit of an unknown quantity but look very beatable on paper.

Heynkes went to Bayern in 2012 and Klopp did the double over them that season, winning the league and Cup final against Bayern (5-2 iirc). Then Bayern became a completely different, motivated, monster and destroyed everyone the next season.

Against Madrid, Klopp had done very well over 2 seasons. I think his record is 3 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw; winning and losing once on aggregate while topping their group once.

Klopp's style obviously favours playing as an underdog so it's no surprise to see him have a favourable record against the bigger teams. This season though I feel if Bayern come up against them then Heynckes will be up tactically and they can come through.
 
Would be nice if they lose top 4 spot to Chelsea by resting players for CL and get knocked out as well

That would be nice but Chelsea have left themselves too far behind, does 4th place still have to play a playoff to get into the champions league group stages? If so I hope they finish 4th as opposed to 3rd and somehow mess up in the playoff and don't make it into the groups
 
Imagine having one of the best seasons in years, after buying the most expensive CB in the world and your newly purchased right winger banging in goals game after game, and still be behind United...
:lol:
 
I hope Bayern \ PSG \ RM start making noise about Salah and perhaps Firminho.

I don't like the prospect of them adding Keita and a DM to this side.
 
Imagine having one of the best seasons in years, after buying the most expensive CB in the world and your newly purchased right winger banging in goals game after game, and still be behind United...
:lol:

*Shrug* I'm still enjoying it :lol:
 
Imagine having one of the best seasons in years, after buying the most expensive CB in the world and your newly purchased right winger banging in goals game after game, and still be behind United...
:lol:

Imagine posting that when you’d swap seasons with theirs in a heartbeat.
 
There is a mentality developing on the pitch where the team is playing with great confidence in the knowledge that they can easily blow teams away. The defence has shored up hugely too, and teams like Bournemouth are literally shit scared to leave their half. Beaten before they come onto the pitch? Bodes well for a title challenge next season.
 
There is a mentality developing on the pitch where the team is playing with great confidence in the knowledge that they can easily blow teams away. The defence has shored up hugely too, and teams like Bournemouth are literally shit scared to leave their half. Beaten before they come onto the pitch? Bodes well for a title challenge next season.

St.Pep and the additional billion he'll spend says otherwise.
 
There is a mentality developing on the pitch where the team is playing with great confidence in the knowledge that they can easily blow teams away. The defence has shored up hugely too, and teams like Bournemouth are literally shit scared to leave their half. Beaten before they come onto the pitch? Bodes well for a title challenge next season.

Depends on how fast Keita fits in & on what other signings we make. It'll take a lot for me to expect a title challenge, but if we can improve on this season, then that'll be good.

St.Pep and the additional billion he'll spend says otherwise.

:lol: Probably. I don't think the title will be anywhere near the cakewalk it was this season for City. Maybe Chelsea will have a stormer again.
 
Depends on how fast Keita fits in & on what other signings we make. It'll take a lot for me to expect a title challenge, but if we can improve on this season, then that'll be good.



:lol: Probably. I don't think the title will be anywhere near the cakewalk it was this season for City. Maybe Chelsea will have a stormer again.

The one thing Liverpool and United have in common is the large gap in quality between ourselves and City. I'm expecting that gap to shrink considerably over the summer with a few quality upgrades in key areas of the pitch, considering there is so much room for improvement from both teams. City on the other hand will struggle to improve an already excellent squad, they can only really bolster their ranks somewhat.
 
Depends on how fast Keita fits in & on what other signings we make. It'll take a lot for me to expect a title challenge, but if we can improve on this season, then that'll be good.



:lol: Probably. I don't think the title will be anywhere near the cakewalk it was this season for City. Maybe Chelsea will have a stormer again.

I think, at minimum, we can expect to be a lot closer next season than this.
 
Imagine having one of the best seasons in years, after buying the most expensive CB in the world and your newly purchased right winger banging in goals game after game, and still be behind United...
:lol:
And being in the Champions League semi-finals. I know who's having the better season. There's a reason why we're 2nd favourites behind City for the league next season, and not United.
 
Looks like the recent rosey period has attracted some tiresome scousers.
 
And being in the Champions League semi-finals. I know who's having the better season. There's a reason why we're 2nd favourites behind City for the league next season, and not United.

Impossible to decide that until the transfer market is closed.
 
The crazy thing is, it’s like they don’t even miss Coutinho. Their midfield is more balanced now imo.
Have to agree with that. I was gutted when Coutinho left but we're playing even better than we were with him in the side. Klopp has proved to me that as far as transfers go (both incoming and outgoing), He knows what's best.

If you told me at the start of the season that Salah would be our best player and score 40 odd goals, an £8m left-back from Hull would be one of the biggest successes of the season and that we'd be in the Champions League Semi-Final having sold Coutinho, I'd have had you sectioned!

Keita in next season as well, it's a pretty exciting time to be a Liverpool fan