Liverpool - 2017/18

As I said to you already, its not right but you’re in no position to take the high moral ground on unacceptable or even disgusting issues as you like to term it. Sad but true for us all.
What do you mean, he can't say it's disgusting?
 
So in another words you don't give a feck about trophies in general?

Of course I'd like to win trophies but I wouldn't swap our football for yours just because of the EL and EFL cup. I see a lot of your games and in all honesty United bore me to death.
 
Good result for them today again. It’s clear to see the progress under Klopp
 
Paul Joyce just tweeted that our top target for midfield is Jorginho. Also said that we still want Alisson and a Coutinho replacement. What's Jorginho like? Will he suit us?
 
Of course I'd like to win trophies but I wouldn't swap our football for yours just because of the EL and EFL cup. I see a lot of your games and in all honesty United bore me to death.

So you carry on playing nice football and we'll carry on being the most successful club in England.

Suits me.
 
I watched it on streaming so I didn’t hear chants only the booing. Okay, my apologies on that, its not right but disgusting its not. Disgusting is rival fans mocking Hillsborough 89 and Munich ‘58.
Still not acceptable though.
Imagine hating on someone for getting racially abused!
 
Of course I'd like to win trophies but I wouldn't swap our football for yours just because of the EL and EFL cup. I see a lot of your games and in all honesty United bore me to death.
So lets say United wins more trophies in next few seasons playing football that bores you to death and Liverpool wins nothing.

Would you still have the same stance?
 
So you carry on playing nice football and we'll carry on being the most successful club in England.

Suits me.

I'm not sure you can say the same for the rest of your fanbase though. How much longer do they put up with Mourinho's football? Do you not agree that at a big club, good football and winning should come as a package.
 
The squad is in better shape and we’re (probably) less reliant on one player. We nose dived when Suarez left. Coutinho left and so far we’re no worse off (even though Suarez was obviously a much better player when he left than Coutinho was, but they were both what many would call our best players at the time). We’re also regularly making several changes to the starting XI and don’t seem to be suffering much for it. We could never make more than one or two changes to the side in 13/14, and if we did we struggled.

To be fair Rodgers lost Sturridge to injuries as well but Klopp’s signings have done better than Rodgers’ did, and some of the latter’s signings have been better under Klopp. Can, Firmino, Lallana and even Lovren have performed better under Klopp than they ever did under Rodgers.

Do you think Liverpool of 2012-2015 was better than the Liverpool of 2015-2018?

The fairest way to form a comparion between Rodgers and Klopp would be to measure the trophies that they accumulated during their respective tenures.

League Titles: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Champions League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Europa League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

FA Cups: Rodgers: 0 - Klopp 0

League Cups: Rodgers 1 - 0 Klopp

Super Cup: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Charity Shield: 0 - 0 Klopp

Alternative League Title: Rodgers 3 -3 Klopp

Brendan, or simply Brenda as he is known to his friends, is apparently the better manager.


 
I'm not sure you can say the same for the rest of your fanbase though. How much longer do they put up with Mourinho's football? Do you not agree that at a big club, good football and winning should come as a package.
Does that relate to Liverpool too?
 
I'm not sure you can say the same for the rest of your fanbase though. How much longer do they put up with Mourinho's football? Do you not agree that at a big club, good football and winning should come as a package.

Well by using the same benchmarks as you we have more points than last season so have improved. We are also back in the CL.

We have the winning but the football is lacking on the eye. You have the nice football but can't win anything with it.

All I know is in history trophies are how you measure a club and yours hasn't won a pot in 13 years is it?
 
I think the biggest problem is a refusal to accept that Suarez did racially abuse Evra. There’s still too many fans in our support that can’t accept the truth that Suarez did do it.

That doesn’t make them racists but it does make them idiots. If we’re going to accept the FA’s outcome when they find Firmino innocent, I think our fans need to accept that the FA found sufficient evidence that Suarez did racially abuse Evra, and accept that our player did something wrong.

Evra’s moved on and he was the victim of racism.
 
Liverpool fans used to pride themselves on how many trophies they'd won. Come back when you've won 18. Remember that?

But now they don't win anything anymore, one league cup in 12 years considering the money they've spent in that time is pathetic, and are no longer England's most successful club, they suddenly decide trophies aren't important.

What are the chances of that?

It's also no surprise Liverpool fans were booing Evra today. The club itself acted disgracefully over the entire situation and they don't seem to understand what they did wrong, so of course stupid fans will just follow their lead.
 
The fairest way to form a comparion between Rodgers and Klopp would be to measure the trophies that they accumulated during their respective tenures.

League Titles: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Champions League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Europa League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

FA Cups: Rodgers: 0 - Klopp 0

League Cups: Rodgers 1 - 0 Klopp

Super Cup: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Charity Shield: 0 - 0 Klopp

Alternative League Title: Rodgers 3 -3 Klopp

Brendan, or simply Brenda as he is known to his friends, is apparently the better manager.

Rodgers didn’t win a League Cup.
 
The fairest way to form a comparion between Rodgers and Klopp would be to measure the trophies that they accumulated during their respective tenures.

League Titles: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Champions League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Europa League: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

FA Cups: Rodgers: 0 - Klopp 0

League Cups: Rodgers 1 - 0 Klopp

Super Cup: Rodgers 0 - 0 Klopp

Charity Shield: 0 - 0 Klopp

Alternative League Title: Rodgers 3 -3 Klopp

Brendan, or simply Brenda as he is known to his friends, is apparently the better manager.

Do you think he's a better manager ?
 
Rodgers didn’t win a League Cup.

I was sure Brenda won a league cup, if that is not the case then I stand corrected. I really need to start doing research rather than using my memory.

In any case that would mean, apart from the ALT's in which both managers share an exemplary record, that neither manager has claimed a trophy during their management of the club. Hmm

Not really a debate then, both have and are continuing to fail in their jobs.
 
My feelings are irrelevant but sinse you ask then yes, I do think Rodgers was the better manager. Klopp's system is generically flawed in my honest opinion.
But you didn’t find any flaws to Rodgers’ system?
 
So you carry on playing nice football and we'll carry on being the most successful club in England.

Suits me.

Pretty sure this was Liverpool fans sole consolation as they drifted through the last 30 odd years... But hey..
 
Of course I'd like to win trophies but I wouldn't swap our football for yours just because of the EL and EFL cup. I see a lot of your games and in all honesty United bore me to death.
Your last trophy was about 10 years ago mate. Enjoy your football.
 
Not only fans but players as well, if Mourinho tried to go with a conservative approach, he will hurt the confidence of players as well as fans. Especially if UTD loses, even draw won't be a good result, considering you guys have to face Liverpool next, for Mourinho style to work, he needs leverage(point or two lead) over us. Not taking a dig at UTD but if Liverpool is very dangerous if opposition tries to attack them.

And Jose, being one of footballs most tactically astute managers, is very much aware of this fact and that is why he set us out with 11 men behind the ball during the Anfield encounter. I feel the game at OT will be slightly different. For starters United will offer far greater attacking ambition this time around.
 
To the guys talking about past titles - yes we have a better haul than them and have won plenty in the 12 or so years that they haven't.

But look, lets talk about the here and now. THIS season (after all we are forever accusing the Pool fans for living in the past).

So currently they are playing much more attractive football and IMO will go deeper into the CL than us. On paper our attack beats theirs but for some reason Rash, Rom, Sanchez and Martial just can't seem to click together. Whereas Mane, Salah and Firminho are lets face it as times breathtaking.

Also we are getting closer and closer to bottling Top 4 altogether!

TL;DR version: Liverpool are outperforming Manchester United at this point in time and may do next season too :(
 
I'm not sure you can say the same for the rest of your fanbase though. How much longer do they put up with Mourinho's football? Do you not agree that at a big club, good football and winning should come as a package.


No win at all costs is the only thing I care about
 
I think the biggest problem is a refusal to accept that Suarez did racially abuse Evra. There’s still too many fans in our support that can’t accept the truth that Suarez did do it.

That doesn’t make them racists but it does make them idiots. If we’re going to accept the FA’s outcome when they find Firmino innocent, I think our fans need to accept that the FA found sufficient evidence that Suarez did racially abuse Evra, and accept that our player did something wrong.

Evra’s moved on and he was the victim of racism.

Sadly it seems the vast majority don't want to accept it.

I find it pretty shitty to be honest and very hypocritical from a club that prides itself on justice.
 
Disagree about the squad depth point - for me an error Liverpool are still lacking. Lallana and Ox are decent players but still a drop-off from Salah and Mane, whilst your options behind Firmino are Ings & Solanke at present.

Outside of that, you could argue that the rest of your squad isn't good enough in terms of starters let alone the depth. Still need a GK, probably better FB's or certainly more options, midfield there are a few choices but they're all average apart from maybe Can. And CB still needs more investment even despite Van Dijk.

As per your overall post though - I agree. Klopp is a fecking delusional nutcase sometimes and definitely flawed, but he's turned Liverpool in to arguably one of the most dangerous teams in Europe going forward and you're now 2nd in the league which speaks for the improvement.

I really do not get this "probably better FB's" stuff. Anyone who says this does not watch the team week in week out. One of our best and most consistent players at the current moment is Andrew Robertson. Trent Alexander-Arnold is 18 and is very good already as well as we also have Clyne to come back. Yes he's nothing special going forward but he's still a very solid and consistent defender, similar situation with Joe Gomez. Moreno is fine as a reserve LB and we've recently brought in two very young LB's into the youth team who hopefully may be first team players in the next couple of years like Trent. I'll honestly never understand this comment, the only explanation can be you just don't watch us enough.

I think our squad depth is reasonable, but definitely need an extra 3-4 starters this summer if we want to be deemed as having strong squad depth. For me right now we need another CB to partner VVD, a deep lying play maker and a CAM/winger then depending on Karius' form maybe a keeper. However I may add Karius was excellent today and has been consistently good since he came in as number 1 so that is looking less and less likely each game. Made a brilliant save for us early on today which stopped it going 1-1 and pulled off another good save quite soon after. If we make those 3-4 signings though I truly believe our second choice 11 is better than our first choice 11 in 2014/15 and 2015/16 and we would have very good squad depth.
 
I think the biggest problem is a refusal to accept that Suarez did racially abuse Evra. There’s still too many fans in our support that can’t accept the truth that Suarez did do it.

That doesn’t make them racists but it does make them idiots. If we’re going to accept the FA’s outcome when they find Firmino innocent, I think our fans need to accept that the FA found sufficient evidence that Suarez did racially abuse Evra, and accept that our player did something wrong.

Evra’s moved on and he was the victim of racism.
Well said mate. Honestly, I could give a feck about the rivalry in this situation. It's the fact that the majority of Liverpool fans, former players and club legends stood by a vile racist who was proven guilty and still abuse somebody to this day for speaking out against racism will never sit right with me. I've looked at Liverpool differently ever since then.
 
Their scouting and player recruitment has stepped up a notch. Keita will be a great signing over the next few seasons. Proper striker and keeper and they look pretty set. Playing tasty stuff too. Ugh.

We have a proper striker? He's scored 22 goals while giving 11 assists... why would we need a different striker when he's scored more than every "proper" striker in this league bar Kane and Aguero.
 
Well said mate. Honestly, I could give a feck about the rivalry in this situation. It's the fact that the majority of Liverpool fans, former players and club legends stood by a vile racist who was proven guilty and still abuse somebody to this day for speaking out against racism will never sit right with me. I've looked at Liverpool differently ever since then.

It makes my skin crawl mate. Really feel sorry for Pat today.
 
Disgusting club.



Not only is he actively supporting racism with this tweet, he is also encouraging his Liverpool buddies to injure a fellow professional footballer.

I'd offer an obligatory "stay Classy" but I don't think that quite cuts the mustard here.
 
To the guys talking about past titles - yes we have a better haul than them and have won plenty in the 12 or so years that they haven't.

But look, lets talk about the here and now. THIS season (after all we are forever accusing the Pool fans for living in the past).

So currently they are playing much more attractive football and IMO will go deeper into the CL than us. On paper our attack beats theirs but for some reason Rash, Rom, Sanchez and Martial just can't seem to click together. Whereas Mane, Salah and Firminho are lets face it as times breathtaking.

Also we are getting closer and closer to bottling Top 4 altogether!

TL;DR version: Liverpool are outperforming Manchester United at this point in time and may do next season too :(

They have had to score 14 more goals to achieve a +1 goal difference having played a game more.

All their flamboyant attacking has got them tomalmost exactly where we are having not done that.

We scored the same amount as goals as Spurs, (who apparently play brilliant attacking football) Arsenal (who apparently play beautiful attacking football)

.... and conceeded fewer goals than any other team in the league.

Bollocks, stop talking them.
 
Nice to see the racists of Anfield came together to abuse Evra this afternoon by the way. Very classy as always.
TheReligion watching Liverpool games again to be entertained once a week....as always.