In this Liverpool team I would rather have Henderson.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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In this Liverpool team I would rather have Henderson.
Henderson suits Liverpool's style very well. But he's also a very replaceable player.
Who would we get that offers what he does to our team without drastically changing system?
Literally anyone that runs around a lot.
The English Paulinho
Harsh. Not quite but he's not really a top player. Quick thinking and energy are his main attributes. Plenty can offer that. Plenty can offer more. But he's got a good understanding with his team mates and has attributes that work well in that system so I understand Liverpool fans valuing him very highly.
I think you overrate both how unique and how crucial Henderson's pressing ability is.
Here's a list of the top of my head of replacements that would be equal or better and have shown they can press pretty damn well. Obviously there are lots of great midfielders who don't cover ground as well as Henderson but more than make up for it by being far superior at other things, like Modric or Kroos.
Better footballers who could slot right in to his role without changing the system: Khedira, Ramsey, Herrera, Di Maria, Koke, Gabi, Vidal, Marchisio, Matuidi, Mkhtaryan (this one will be disputed, but he can run for days, has played as an 8 and wide and would score more goals, too), Enzo Perez, Aranguiz and Strootman. Definitely missing a few. Bundesliga and Serie A fans probably have a few more to throw in.
Rodgers is a good manager and he could take a mobile, hard-working midfielder and have him do what Henderson does.
I've seen people (may have even been here on the Caf) say that Henderson is the best CM in the league.
Liverpool supporters overrate him like mad.
Henderson's pressing and energy is on another level to all of those players you have mentioned. He isn't as good a footballer as several of those listed, but I don't think any of those listed could do his job in our side.
You could stick a better player into our side to do Jordan's role, but we'd be worse as a team. He's not the best player in the world (he's good, but nothing that special), but for the way we play he's a perfect fit.
I rate Henderson in his role, few could replicate it. However, Rodgers has, in part, created a system based on the players he has - he's pragmatic like that. If he had Yaya and not Henderson I think the team would be set up to suit him rather than trying to get him to do Henderson's job.
In short, I think Rodgers picks Yaya ahead of Henderson in his dream XI.
In short, I think Rodgers picks Yaya ahead of Henderson in his dream XI.
That post reads like a who's who of Football Manager. Hats off if you have watched and been exposed to all these players as much as Henderson but I suspect you're playing top trumps here.
Never played Football Manager.
Aranguiz I haven't seen a ton of, but literally everyone else there plays in the CL and massive games across Europe except Strootman and Herrera, and I've seen a fair amount of them from being a transfer muppet and watching the big games (top 3 or 4 sides against each other) in the top 6 leagues and whenever Barca or Madrid play a team like Bilbao or Sevilla, and Europa League knockout games. It's not a particularly obscure list.
I'd more seriously question the eyesight or sanity of the fellow who doesn't think Koke or Di Maria could do Jordan Henderson's job.
If you offered Rodgers a swap tomorrow, Henderson for Toure you think he would take it? I don't. Toure is the (much) better player, but there is no chance of a midfield containing Gerrard and Toure working. None.
You have to accept that a large part of BR's philosophy is winning the ball higher up the pitch by pressing. I'd love Toure in the team however we need forwards and midfielders who complement our style. If not Henderson then his replacement would still have to be of that ilk .. and Toure isn't so we couldn't accommodate him without changes to our style of play. Isn't it better to buy players that suit your style than try to change that style to accommodate a player ?
I see what you're saying but that would be a decision based on pragmatism and where the squad is currently. I agree that Gerrard and Yaya would be weak. My point was based on building a team from scratch, I think Yaya gets ahead of Henderson in that scenario.
That I agree with.
James Milner
Bascombe and Hunter both linking us with Eto'o. Preferably I wouldn't go near him. I can't stand him. I won't complain though if it means that we won't be signing Bony. If we do go for Eto'o then hopefully it still means there's room for us to purchase another quality winger to finalise the squad.
Yeah, he'd offer what Henderson does in terms of pressing/work rate, but I rate Henderson much higher than Milner (and I'm someone who rates Milner as well).
Yeah, he'd offer what Henderson does in terms of pressing/work rate, but I rate Henderson much higher than Milner (and I'm someone who rates Milner as well).
Eto'o is a king, love the guy. Wouldn't really say he's worth getting though, even on a short-term deal.
Tony Barrett saying we're considering offering him a one year deal.
Eto'o would be a weird signing.
If Sturridge picked up a bad injury I'd prefer to have Eto'o filling in than Lambert, but that's as far as I'd stretch in favour of the transfer. He's not exactly the type to sit on the bench and stay happy...
Eto'o wouldn't be terrible at all. The big hole in the squad is clearly an elite forward (I wonder why), and you're not going to get one this August. He'd be a better, and cheaper, stop gap/ squad option than the other strikers you've been linked with, would be a big help for the top 4 push.
Can then 'go again' next summer for the big players you need.
Can then 'go again' next summer for the big players you need.
His pressing ability/etc is not on anotber level to Ramsey. No way known.
The scouse boom bust cycle actually works very well with players... Henderson is in his summer boom right now as the best cm around, but it's not that long ago he was shite and a waste of money... When he's sold we'll get told he was overrated and made to look better by the team. (See Suarez sale...). Predictable as ever.... I predict lallana to be the next bust boom bust player, he's has the expense tag and over priced statements but he's getting better for each day he's injured....
The scouse boom bust player cycle is also impacted by whether players are linked or have signed for Liverpool, and whether they are linked with a rival...
The scouse boom bust player cycle is also impacted by whether players are linked or have signed for Liverpool, and whether they are linked with a rival...
while they are likely to have a very good season, I don't think they'll win the league. I also don't think they'll finish second. Therefore the bitter rival in me will proclaim that a failure just to draw out a tedious 500 word rebuttal from one of the tedious caf scousers.
I've always stuck up for Henderson since my days in the newbs where I said he'd captain us one day. He's not the most talented, nor is he the best around, but he's perfect for Liverpool.
Let's not fool ourself, Liverpool looks very good and as far as I can see they have been pretty successful with their new signings. Sterling and Sturridge is quality, with or without Suarez. Emre Can and Dejan Lovren is an upgrade to Agger and Allen. Coutinho will provide them with creativity and we must give Henderson credit because his physique and style suits their high energy style perfect.
Their main weakness is in my opinion Gerrard. Time is catching up fast and he seems to lost a yard and his poor decision making is the thing that can cost them points. Let's see if Rodgers is brave enough and sideline his captain, I don't think he has the guts but time will tell.
So far there is no evidence that they are so much weaker then us. I expect them to be more solid defensively then last season but without Suarez they will lose goals so all in all they continue to be a strong challenger for a top 4 position.
Their main weakness is in my opinion Gerrard. Time is catching up fast and he seems to lost a yard and his poor decision making is the thing that can cost them points. Let's see if Rodgers is brave enough and sideline his captain, I don't think he has the guts but time will tell.
So far there is no evidence that they are so much weaker then us. I expect them to be more solid defensively then last season but without Suarez they will lose goals so all in all they continue to be a strong challenger for a top 4 position.
Dejan Lovren will prove to be an excellent buy for the Scousers. He will provide them with a solid base at the back that they have been missing for years.
Class.
Liverpool played a match vs Burnley behind closed doors on Monday (all the players not involved vs. Dortmund). 2-1 to LFC, Lambert scoring both ours.
He's always been good against that level of opponent, I'm looking forward to seeing him against your Barcelona's and Madrid's
Doubt he'll play in their big games.
EDIT: barring injuries to other key players of course.
I'm not .. because it would mean Sturridge is off the pitch.
Looks like Toure is off to Turkey and Éto could be arriving..
Probably be a good signing to be fair.. On a free, reduced wages, can still score goals as seen last season and it would only be a temporary until possibly a bigger signing became available.. January or Next summer.
Probably be a good signing to be fair.. On a free, reduced wages, can still score goals as seen last season and it would only be a temporary until possibly a bigger signing became available.. January or Next summer.
That's silly, Lambert is a better player than the Eto'o of now. This is an Eto'o that couldn't start consistently for a Chelsea side with more than terrible strikers and couldn't score much when he did - despite having a ridiculous amount of creativity around him. Lambert's goal/assist tally has been very good in the league for the last few seasons. He's a good player, I know he's been poor in pre-season but I think he'll become a good asset for you.
I think Gerrard is quality in that deeper role. Can't see who he could be replaced with that would offer the same consistent vision and penetration from deep.
It's more that I don't think Lambert will fit into our style of play than I think Eto'o is better. He isn't at all mobile and despite what people said, his touch has been shocking so far since joining. Eto'o is past it, and I'm not in favour of him joining, but I'd still trust him to score more than Lambert.
So Moreno is going to sign for £12m. Another pair of attackers and we'll be sorted for the season.