Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

R.Kelly #JFT96 @RoZo_11
@TonyBarretTimes please tell me Liverpool are not actually trying to sign eto?

Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes
@RoZo_11 He's a possibility that they're looking at. It's no more than that at the moment.
 
Hunter, Barrett and other local journos are saying we haven't offered Eto'o a deal, he is just a player that is interesting us.

Lallana will be back in three weeks according to Dom King. He also says we won't be putting pressure on him to get back ahead of schedule.
 
Moreno is a good signing for Liverpool. If they managed to sign a striker then I'd say they have had a pretty good window in terms of recruiting what they needed. Not sure Eto'o is the best option though, but I guess it would only be a short term fix.
 
Liverpool legend Dietmar Hamann says Luis Suarez "can't be trusted" and argues the Reds are better off without the Uruguayan striker.

Speaking to the Press Association, Hamann says: "I have always been very critical of Suarez's antics. In footballing terms, he is a big loss, but somebody else will score the goals and I think, long-term, they will be better off without him than with him.

"I think Liverpool have bought well. I'd rather have the six or seven players they have now than Suarez, because at the end of the day, if you want to win things, you need people you can trust, and he can't be trusted."
 
You cannot be serious.
In United's side who is better than Henderson in a box-to-box role? Who is better than Lovren? Not sure anybody in United's side has played as well as Sturridge in the past 18 months so hardly outlandish to put his name forward. Plus, I think Sterling would waltz into that United team.
 
You cannot be serious.

Have you seen our CM? Henderson and Gerrard would definitely, at the very least, be fighting for a position in there. Lovren would definitely be in our back 3. If we changed our system then Sterling would easily be in because our wingers are dross. Sturridge is a difficult one because if Rooney/RvP are at their best then he isn't in consideration, but going by the last year or so then he has been better. Coutinho is a better player than Kagawa (I think). Kagawa is really overrated by people on here. Mata at his best has him covered though.
 
All they've got is penalties, it got them close last time but won't be enough this season.

This would be some RAWK level shite that people will misquote on their forum's "RedCafe meltdown thread 2014/2015" .
 
Have you seen our CM? Henderson and Gerrard would definitely, at the very least, be fighting for a position in there. Lovren would definitely be in our back 3. If we changed our system then Sterling would easily be in because our wingers are dross. Sturridge is a difficult one because if Rooney/RvP are at their best then he isn't in consideration, but going by the last year or so then he has been better. Coutinho is a better player than Kagawa (I think). Kagawa is really overrated by people on here. Mata at his best has him covered though.
Lovren would not walk into our defence, and Henderson would get the treatment of cleverley if he were with us. Gerard would be found wanting in this new holding role with the midfield we have.
 
No way known Ramsey couldn't do what Henderson does. They are essentially the same player though Ramsey is superior in every facet.
 
Lovren would not walk into our defence, and Henderson would get the treatment of cleverley if he were with us. Gerard would be found wanting in this new holding role with the midfield we have.

Do you think that Evans, Jones and Smalling are superior players to Lovren? We'll have to disagree on that one then. I rate Smalling quite highly but I'd take Lovren over the other two. Henderson might have been an exaggeration on my part. He fits in well with the Liverpool system and that allows him to shine, he probably wouldn't be that great in our squad.
 
Do you think that Evans, Jones and Smalling are superior players to Lovren? We'll have to disagree on that one then. I rate Smalling quite highly but I'd take Lovren over the other two. Henderson might have been an exaggeration on my part. He fits in well with the Liverpool system and that allows him to shine, he probably wouldn't be that great in our squad.
Lovren failed in france, but did reasonably well at Southampton. he is incredibly overrated.
 
Lovren failed in france, but did reasonably well at Southampton. he is incredibly overrated.

I thought he played well in France?

Not that it means anything or is even relevant, considering he's been excellent in the PL.
 
Henderson would be your best midfielder, subject to Herrera's adjustment to the league.
Depressingly, this would be correct right now. But I'd expect Herrera to be better when he settles. And if Carrick gets back to form, he'd obviously be better.
 
Lovren failed in france, but did reasonably well at Southampton. he is incredibly overrated.
Which is why he was one of the best CBs in the PL last season ? And Evans / Jones / Smalling were where ? Lovren is a mature CB and the finished article, United's Back 3 are still learning their trade (bar Evans, who is in no way better than Lovren). Although of course we are both bias to a degree I think any knowledgeable neutral will certainly know how good Lovren is. He would walk into United's back 3.
 
Which is why he was one of the best CBs in the PL last season ? And Evans / Jones / Smalling were where ? Lovren is a mature CB and the finished article, United's Back 3 are still learning their trade (bar Evans, who is in no way better than Lovren). Although of course we are both bias to a degree I think any knowledgeable neutral will certainly know how good Lovren is. He would walk into United's back 3.

Really? well if one good season does this I'm shocked as I'd expect him to improve again.
 
The squad debate is down to a poster questioning somebody for daring to suggest Liverpool players would get into the United XI. Based on how many of them played last season, I find it odd that so many Liverpool players get the "average" tag.
 
No way known Ramsey couldn't do what Henderson does. They are essentially the same player though Ramsey is superior in every facet.

Except for his energy/pressing ability, where Henderson is superior. Other than that I agree. I don't think Henderson is too far behind in his passing range either (Ramsey is better though, particularly with his creative passing). Ramsey last season was the best midfielder in the league when he was fit IMO.

Really? well if one good season does this I'm shocked as I'd expect him to improve again.

I'd be thrilled if Lovren just maintained his form from last season (I think he could and will better it, especially seeing as he doesn't have Fonte next to him).
 
I thought he played well in France?

Not that it means anything or is even relevant, considering he's been excellent in the PL.

We were interested in him when he was in France. Was rumoured to be an alternative to Sakho.

Aye, I'm really happy we bought him considering the prices that worse centre backs are going for throughout Europe.
 
We were interested in him when he was in France. Was rumoured to be an alternative to Sakho.

Aye, I'm really happy we bought him considering the prices that worse centre backs are going for throughout Europe.

Barney you seem very upbeat about your teams chances this season (and fair play to you) as opposed to many in here about united. But in my view I think it will be a monumetous effort by Liverpool to finish top 4 after losing Suarez. I think Liverpool as a team are very over rated and took advantage of an in presidented circumstances last season. I only think a total disaster by us again will let them slip into 4th. I could be way off the mark and time will tell but I really think Liverpool are an average bunch. (What that makes us I'm not sure) but I think we have a few players of a much higher quality imho.
 
Listened to the Guardian podcast last night regarding the season ahead. One of the guys (can't remember which one) made a good point about why Liverpool will find it harder in the league this time because of Europe. One reason was Rodger's was excellent last year at changing his formation for different games, being able to work on it all week, preparing for longer than all the other top 4 teams. That's an advantage that is now gone.

Throw this in with losing Suarez, all the other sides improving, and it's understandable to say Liverpool won't be winning the league and that top 4 would be a great achievement for them. It's also now LvG's advantage so we will get to see just how big an influence Europe is, as the season unfolds.
 
........ but I really think Liverpool are an average bunch.
Did the team play average football last season ? With or without Suarez ? Do we have an average manager incapable of making adjustments ? A lot of United supporters say the same as you, I'm not hearing it from the fans of other clubs though. That in itself is telling.
 
Listened to the Guardian podcast last night regarding the season ahead. One of the guys (can't remember which one) made a good point about why Liverpool will find it harder in the league this time because of Europe. One reason was Rodger's was excellent last year at changing his formation for different games, being able to work on it all week, preparing for longer than all the other top 4 teams. That's an advantage that is now gone.

To be quite honest, does this make any sense at all ? Rodgers already knows which formations he can/can't use because he tried them all out last season and before at Swansea, so do the question is do players know the systems and can they adjust ? At least half the team at least certainly do, the others are maybe not quite so familiar (though will no doubt have learnt them to a degree in pre-season and in training) so there will be a short period of adjustment whilst they learn the different formations but it's hardly rocket science and they may even have played similar systems at their previous clubs.

You also have to take into consideration how many matches will be played in Europe and when they start. The new players may already have fully adapted by the time they come around.

This sounds like many of the excuses being made for a potential Liverpool demise that I'm hearing, most based on wishful thinking or wanting to fill column inches / blogs and podcasts, I mean what else is there to discuss in pre-season :D
 
Reports in Britain today speculate that Liverpool are preparing a €25m bid for Fiorentina forward Giuseppe Rossi.

The Reds are expected to make a move in the window to bring in another striker following Luis Suarez's sale to Barcelona.

Indications from the UK, picked up by Sportmediaset today, are that they have identified La Viola's 27-year-old Italy international as a primary objective.

It is understood that the Premier League side are prepared to come in with an offer of €25m, around £20m for the former Manchester United forward.

Brendan Rodgers is described as having kept tabs on Rossi for a 'number of weeks'.
 
Liverpool have opened talks with Italian club Sampdoria over a deal to sign Argentina World Cup goalkeeper Sergio Romero.

The Reds are desperate to sign a quality glovesman this summer to offer competition for Simon Mignolet, and have turned to Romero after failing to sign David Marshall and Karl Darlow.

Reports in Italy, backed up by Sky Italia journalist Tancredi Palmeri, say Liverpool approached Sampdoria last night over a deal.

Romero had been told he can leave the club despite his impressive showing at the World Cup, where he helped Argentina reach the final.
 
To be quite honest, does this make any sense at all ? Rodgers already knows which formations he can/can't use because he tried them all out last season and before at Swansea, so do the question is do players know the systems and can they adjust ? At least half the team at least certainly do, the others are maybe not quite so familiar (though will no doubt have learnt them to a degree in pre-season and in training) so there will be a short period of adjustment whilst they learn the different formations but it's hardly rocket science and they may even have played similar systems at their previous clubs.

You also have to take into consideration how many matches will be played in Europe and when they start. The new players may already have fully adapted by the time they come around.

This sounds like many of the excuses being made for a potential Liverpool demise that I'm hearing, most based on wishful thinking or wanting to fill column inches / blogs and podcasts, I mean what else is there to discuss in pre-season :D

It might sound like an excuse to you because its a Utd fan posting here but it was James Horncastle (i think) from the podcast who said it was a factor. He's neutral & knows his football. I agree with him that its a factor. You must realise that if a manager has a whole week to train and prepare his squad, it's an advantage over having 2 or 3 days?

As i said though, we'll see if there's much in this theory as the season unfolds because LvG is in the same situation, albeit he's new to the job while Rodgers had already been at the club for a season beforehand.
 
Dan Roan
BBC Sport

#PLPredictions
Posted at 11:11

"1. Liverpool, 2. Chelsea, 3. Man City, 4. Arsenal, Bottom three: Southampton, Burnley, Leicester.

"Most people will understandably write Liverpool off having lost their best player & with the added burden of Europe again. But last season was no fluke. The runners-up have reinvested the Suarez cash wisely, and for the first time in years have proper strength in depth and a solid defence.

"In Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge they also possess the kind of young, attacking talent that will only improve, and which can compensate for the departure of their former talisman. Liverpool can go one better than last year, and be the surprise champions the premier league so desperately needs. There will be life after Luis, just you watch."


And so it begins.
 
It might sound like an excuse to you because its a Utd fan posting here but it was James Horncastle (i think) from the podcast who said it was a factor. He's neutral & knows his football. I agree with him that its a factor. You must realise that if a manager has a whole week to train and prepare his squad, it's an advantage over having 2 or 3 days?
Yes, of course it is an advantage, though I think more in terms of physical & mental readiness than adjusting to formations (which may be the same as the one used in mid-week anyway). The high probability is that Rodgers will use one of two formations most of the time now that Suarez has gone, unless we buy someone like Cavani (unlikely but who knows for sure). Those will be 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. The players will all be familiar with those two basic systems. Will the midfield diamond be utilised ? Highly unlikely, unless we need to play two up top. Conclusion ? The systems are not going to be an issue, physical & mental preparedness maybe, but then hopefully the squad will be strong enough to cope.
 
I'd rather have a great team made up of average players than an average team full of great players. I think this coming season will be one of the tightest, most fiercly competed title races/top 4 races of the past years. All top teams can say they have improved in one way or the other and they're mostly right. I think it'll be down to which manager can get the most out of his team. Big expectations and all of the managers have a track record and some silverware to show, except for Rodgers. I think for the first time Rodgers will need to prove he has the stuff to play and compete with the big boys. I think it'll be an exciting year.
 
Brendan Rodgers believes Liverpool's summer transfer business shows they are capable of attracting Europe's top talent. The Reds have snapped up the likes of Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic

"It’s a huge indication of the progress of the club, a really good symbol of where the club is at." (Sky Sports)

Yes, Europe's TOP talent - three players from Southampton, Can who is rubbish and Markovic who is young and will most likely not start. Europe's top talent.
 
We were interested in him when he was in France. Was rumoured to be an alternative to Sakho.

Aye, I'm really happy we bought him considering the prices that worse centre backs are going for throughout Europe.
He was ok when he broke through at a young age but then stagnated and even regressed to a certain extent. Lyon supporters were quite glad to get rid, I remember a funny episode when Mundo Deportivo put out a poll asking which CB Barça should sign (with names such as Kompany and Hummels suggested) and Lovren topped it cos the OL supporters organized themselves to vote in it and posted loads of comments of the ilk "he's brilliant Barça take him" and so on :lol:

Which is why a lot of people over here are extremely surprised he's so highly rated after half a good season with Southampton (he was very good first half, not as good second half, for me) and French Liverpool fans are rather worried by the Sakho-Lovren duo rather than excited by it.
 
Liverpool have got the green light to sign Ezequiel Lavezzi after he turned down a new contract at Paris Saint Germain - and was told to leave. Lavezzi has struggled to cement a regular slot in the PSG team since his arrival from Napoli, but amid growing speculation over his future, the French giants offered him a new contract this week.

But Sky Italia's Gianluca Di Marzio says that Lavezzi's agent Alejandro Mazzoni turned it down during a meeting in Paris and now an angry PSG are ready to offload him, with Liverpool in pole position.

The Reds have already made a £17.9million offer for the player and now look set to conclude a deal with PSG keen for him to go. Juventus and Inter Milan have also been linked with Lavezzi but it's claimed that both clubs only want a loan deal, while PSG want a permanent cash offer, like Liverpool are proposing.
 
Did the team play average football last season ? With or without Suarez ? Do we have an average manager incapable of making adjustments ? A lot of United supporters say the same as you, I'm not hearing it from the fans of other clubs though. That in itself is telling.

Nope they had one good season when most of the big 4 of the last few years were all in transition. Do you go around taking a poll from the fans of other clubs? Your manager is still largely untested in my eyes and his big test to date vs Chelsea he failed big time with his tactics. No Suarez, Steve G on the slide massively time will tell but I think United have more class players than Liverpool.
 
With Lavezzi Liverpool would be in a much better position to finish top 4 than us.
 
Listened to the Guardian podcast last night regarding the season ahead. One of the guys (can't remember which one) made a good point about why Liverpool will find it harder in the league this time because of Europe. One reason was Rodger's was excellent last year at changing his formation for different games, being able to work on it all week, preparing for longer than all the other top 4 teams. That's an advantage that is now gone.

Throw this in with losing Suarez, all the other sides improving, and it's understandable to say Liverpool won't be winning the league and that top 4 would be a great achievement for them. It's also now LvG's advantage so we will get to see just how big an influence Europe is, as the season unfolds.

One of the guys also said he thinks that while this year will be too soon, next year he thinks we can challenge/win the league.

Yes, Europe's TOP talent - three players from Southampton, Can who is rubbish and Markovic who is young and will most likely not start. Europe's top talent.

:wenger:

He was ok when he broke through at a young age but then stagnated and even regressed to a certain extent. Lyon supporters were quite glad to get rid, I remember a funny episode when Mundo Deportivo put out a poll asking which CB Barça should sign (with names such as Kompany and Hummels suggested) and Lovren topped it cos the OL supporters organized themselves to vote in it and posted loads of comments of the ilk "he's brilliant Barça take him" and so on :lol:

Which is why a lot of people over here are extremely surprised he's so highly rated after half a good season with Southampton (he was very good first half, not as good second half, for me) and French Liverpool fans are rather worried by the Sakho-Lovren duo rather than excited by it.

I didn't say he was good in France, just that we were interested.

Lovren at Southampton though was very good, one of the best defenders in the league. He did drop off during the second half of the season, but it was very slight and he was still very good. From what I've seen of Lovren and Sakho in the UK, that really excites me. Looks like it will be Skrtel and Lovren though which is a shame.