Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

I couldn't believe they're buying Lovren for that kind of money when everyone can clearly see he's plain average defender.

Hope they continue with that trend, buying overpriced, not good enough players in hope they'll come good.
 
Not quite sure of this statistical model. But its a hell of lot expensive gamble.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...sfer-committee-has-been-a-spectacular-failure

Liverpool's transfer policy for years has been questionable. I thought after last season the addition of players like Coutinho & Sturridge they were on the right path but clearly I was mistaken. The amount of crap they've bought and then they complain about the rich clubs and FFP.

I think the big problem is Gerrard, he can definitely still put in a performance but he is a liability defensively for them. The main thing he offers is his range of passing from deep but he leaves the back line exposed time and time again. Last season because of the goals they were scoring and their aggressive pressing all over the pitch it masked a lot of the defensive frailties in the team. You could see towards the end of the season when they had to try and absorb pressure they were all over the place, they conceded 50 goals last season! I think you'd have to far back to find a team that finished 2nd conceding that many goals
 
The way I could see Rodgers leaving and it making sense is if he loses more transfer power (either to a new hire or someone already there). I still think he's a very good coach, and the more defensive or canny parts of tactics and getting a result are something you'd expect a talented young manager to pick up.

But the transfers, Jesus.

Apart from Sterling, they don't have a single player who's a clear upgrade for us. Sturridge vs. Rooney vs. Van Persie vs. Falcao is a clusterfeck and not worth getting into, but otherwise i'd play:

------RVP/Falcao/Sturridge---
-Sterling----Rooney/Mata
----DiMaria--------Herrera---
-------Carrick/Blind--------
Shaw--------------------Rafael
-------Rojo---Smalling--------
----------De Gea---------------

So if Sterling doesn't resign it's basically an upper-mid table squad with a top striker, which is what Villa or Swansea are when their star 9 is on form.

They need a DM to play behind Henderson and Coutinho, one of Markovic or Lallana to start looking dangerous consistently across from Sterling, Sturridge to come back, Moreno to come good, a new CB to drag one of Sakho, Lovren or Skrtel back to competence and a new RB and keeper.

And without CL football to convince players to come.

The only Liverpool players that could improve the current United side are Sterling and Gerrard. We have more than enough strikers at the moment.
 
I'd say Sterling, but we have Di Maria as our pacey option. I reckon given the same role as Fellaini was given against Pool, Henderson would be an upgrade.
 
Didn't we turn him down before we appointed Rafa?

Also, if he hates us over the ghost goal he's an idiot. If a goal isn't given we have a penalty and they have a man sent off.
The ref., I forget who it was, said almost exactly that .. he would have given the penalty and a red card.
 
Sturridge out is a huge issue. He would have scored at least one, maybe two against us.

You sound like Liverpool fans.

Louis van Gaal is an excellent tactician, did you see how Vlaar dealt with Messi during the world cup? That's because of game planning. If Sturridge was going to be that dangerous Louis van Gaal would have had a plan ready for him to reduce the chances he got.

There's only two games in a very quiet February, so our players will get a ridiculous amount of rest. :)

Is that supposed to be a joke?

You play Everton, Spurs, Southampton and City in the league, Besiktas twice in Europa, if you are still in the FA Cup you have a game in that too, that's probably 7 games in 28 days and then if you are still in the league cup that's another game on the 1st March.

It looks potentially busy until the middle of March but then your fragile Sturridge will get injured playing for Hodgson anyway.
 
Louis van Gaal is an excellent tactician, did you see how Vlaar dealt with Messi during the world cup? That's because of game planning. If Sturridge was going to be that dangerous Louis van Gaal would have had a plan ready for him to reduce the chances he got.

Like he did with Sterling?
 
The majority of United fans would take Sterling from them and that's it, which goes to show how far they've fallen and the scale of our rise from the rubble. What makes this season all the more sweeter is that they were harping on all summer about us spending a couple of seasons in the darkness like them, even after our transfer business and all the signs pointing to anything but that situation. :lol:
 
They're at a strange situation. I can actually see a decent team in there somewhere, they just have glaring issues that stop them from being so. Sturridge out is a huge issue. He would have scored at least one, maybe two against us. I don't get the Lallana thing, I thought he was good in the first half and he got subbed out while Coutinho struggled. Lallana's pressing in particular was really good. And with three United players on yellow cards his quick feet would have been handy.

They need to sort the defence and midfield out too. I thought Lovren was a good buy in pre-season (I was very very wrong). I'd be playing Sakho and Toure. Why bother with Skrtel and Lovren? They aren't up to it. Don't know why he persists. I'd do anything to get Cech too. Both 'keepers need to be given the boot. Gerrard looks finished too, I think last season took it out of him. He was anonymous. Not sure if I would back Rodgers. I actually think he's a decent manager but to improve they need to be good in the transfer market and that is his huge weakness. It's a tough spot to be in.

If we're going into 'what if' territory, well then we could say that had we had a fully fit defence, Liverpool wouldn't have gotten as many chances as they did.
 
To add to our current United team I'd take Sterling for definite. Probably Henderson too. I'd keep an eye on Can.

I would have the Sturridge of last season but he wouldn't get a game post injury ahead of RVP, Falcao or Rooney as it stands right now.
 
It may as well have been Rodgers himself giving that interview. Can't take Pearce seriously when he's said the opposite to a lot of that in the past, clearly just reporting what Rodgers is leaking.
 
Listened to the first 5 mins and it was mostly things people were saying in the summer to be fair.
Extra champions league games, possibly not getting as lucky with injuries this season.
Squad players bought but nothing that would really push the first team.
Defence was still a mess.
Them missing goals in the team (People harped on endlessly about you losing suarez goals and assists).
Their current situation isn't that surprising is it?

I'd still stick with rogers despite that.
For a while anyway, his position will become untenable pretty quickly if they dont put a run of form together soon.
He's young and he put together a good attacking team.
He has weaknesses which if he has any sense will recognise and get the coaches or put the work in himself to cover them weaknesses.
The alternative are just not very good.
Klopp - everyone wants him
Benitez - who knows, maybe ... dont think it'd be a particularly good move for him and it could go horribly wrong (reunions tend to)
Neither are particularly realistic or brilliant plans. After that its slim pickings.
 

Very interesting interview with James Pearce. Well worth a listen.

All that transfer stuff seems like propaganda to me. Rodgers has made the point before about having the first and last pick on a player. Maybe he was toeing the line on that, but it seems like Rodgers putting a few names out there, 'look at what you could have won', to keep the fans onside.

Pearce also makes what I think is a false distinction about Rodgers' qualities as a manager. He says on the one hand its unfair to say that he's been found out as a manager because last season he was making decisions in games that worked well. On the other hand he's saying the reason the tactics aren't working this season is because there are so many more games and he's lost the two players who are in the form of their lives and bagged them 50 goals.

Well, basically that means he could do it when it was easy, but not when its difficult. Last year he had a team that picked itself, with very few key injuries, and had entire weeks between games to work on tactics. Easy enough to switch from 4-3-3 to a diamond, for example, when the personnel are the same and you have a week to study the opposition.

This year the opposite is true. He has a larger group of players all with differing characteristics, few of whom have an undisputed claim to play, many of whom are new and/or low on confidence, and he has very little time to make plans and implement them. But that's the challenge of being a manager at a top club. Your best players get injured and you have to adjust your style of play to match. You have to pick the right times to blood new player and the right time to stick with your old players. And you spend more time travelling than training. Thats when the best managers show their worth.

Rodgers, like Moyes last year, seems to be making repeated poor calls about what tactics to use and when. Not sure if they're picked from a hat, or he just has poor judgement. Against Real Madrid at home, when a point would have been admirable, they come out swinging against the best team in Europe, who, surprise-surprise, rolled with the blows then delivered a knockout combination. But then, when they need to win a game against Basle, they start with two defensive midfielders (lucas and allen) and leave Coutinho and Lallana on the bench. Wrong call.

Now Rodgers may learn from this and improve. But right now I'd say he's certainly been found out. He looks like a manager with too much going on for him to process.
 
If we're going into 'what if' territory, well then we could say that had we had a fully fit defence, Liverpool wouldn't have gotten as many chances as they did.
Well if we take that 'What If' scenario to extremes then if Rafael and Shaw had replaced Valencia and Young (the providers of two goals), we therefore wouldn't have chased the game which is how we came to concede the third, then it would have finished 0-0 !! :D
 
Christ mate are you serious ?
Sterling is a doubt too, if he was still playing now he wouldn't have scored yet.

Sturridge doesn't compare to our strikers. Gerrard is STILL a good player (if you can look beyond your dislike of Liverpool), and would add some steel to almost all Premiership teams for at least another two seasons.

He's a year older than Michael Carrick and look how well he's playing. Gerrard is a good player in a bad team. I'd certainly have him at United than Sturridge.
 
Sturridge doesn't compare to our strikers. Gerrard is STILL a good player (if you can look beyond your dislike of Liverpool), and would add some steel to almost all Premiership teams for at least another two seasons.

He's a year older than Michael Carrick and look how well he's playing. Gerrard is a good player in a bad team. I'd certainly have him at United than Sturridge.

One of the best ways to improve Liverpool at the minute would be to stop playing Gerrard every minute of every game.

He's done as a major influence on any team at this level, he doesnt have the legs any longer. Not that football genius brentan is helping by playing a man who has less defensive nouse than micheal owen as a defensive midfielder. Batfink had wings that were a shield of steel. Liverpool have Gerrard, like a shield of blancmange.
 
Gerrard is STILL a good player (if you can look beyond your dislike of Liverpool), and would add some steel to almost all Premiership teams for at least another two seasons.

:confused:. The last thing he adds is steel or any kind of physicality. It's his technique and passing ability which are his prime qualities right now at the twilight of his career. He's no longer the marauding physical midfielder that he once was but rather a slower weaker and less mobile one with refined technique and a better and more consistent passing game.
 
:confused:. The last thing he adds is steel or any kind of physicality. It's his technique and passing ability which are his prime qualities right now at the twilight of his career. He's no longer the marauding physical midfielder that he once was but rather a slower weaker and less mobile one with refined technique and a better and more consistent passing game.
Yep, he got completely outmuscled by van Persie who has at time struggled physically himself this season. A very sad and telling indictment on Gerrard's part.
 
Sturridge doesn't compare to our strikers. Gerrard is STILL a good player (if you can look beyond your dislike of Liverpool), and would add some steel to almost all Premiership teams for at least another two seasons.

He's a year older than Michael Carrick and look how well he's playing. Gerrard is a good player in a bad team. I'd certainly have him at United than Sturridge.

Which player in our first team would he replace?
 
Like he did with Sterling?

And he was supposed to look into his crystal ball to know Sterling would start up front? That was Rodgers' attempt at master planning although more of a see what happens, hope for the best David Moyes plan.

There was likely a plan for Sterling out wide but not for the centre backs, not quite sure how you didn't think of this before writing the post?

Also if you think Sterling is as dangerous through the middle as Sturridge then you are barmy. That finishing of his was poor but it's no surprise, we saw Wenger play Sanchez as a 9 and he didn't have the goals from there.

The team attacked down the right relentlessly to try and expose Lovren, that was the attacking game plan, most of the attacks were down the right and that's saying something since Johnson was your right centre back to start yet Lovren was the target, he was seen as the weak link, remember your summer love affair with Lovren? He must be breaking your heart.
 
One of the best ways to improve Liverpool at the minute would be to stop playing Gerrard every minute of every game.

He's done as a major influence on any team at this level, he doesnt have the legs any longer. Not that football genius brentan is helping by playing a man who has less defensive nouse than micheal owen as a defensive midfielder. Batfink had wings that were a shield of steel. Liverpool have Gerrard, like a shield of blancmange.

Brentan likes having a house thank you very much!
 
Well if we take that 'What If' scenario to extremes then if Rafael and Shaw had replaced Valencia and Young (the providers of two goals), we therefore wouldn't have chased the game which is how we came to concede the third, then it would have finished 0-0 !! :D

Our two CB-Jones and Evans have played very little.
It was Jones first match since October. Evans only had played half a game since September.

This was a massive plus for Liverpool and you still couldn't take advantage.

You lot are in real trouble. Your PL season is a write off if you lose to Arsenal.
 
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Well if we take that 'What If' scenario to extremes then if Rafael and Shaw had replaced Valencia and Young (the providers of two goals), we therefore wouldn't have chased the game which is how we came to concede the third, then it would have finished 0-0 !! :D

Jones and Evans are who I'm mainly talking about. Both have played very little football and Jones wouldn't have even been on the pitch if not for Rojo's last minute injury.
 
Will they rest players against Bournemouth for the Arsenal game? It could be another scenario where they lose both games like before.
 
There isn't a single Liverpool player I would take for a full match day squad for United.

Sturridge over Rooney, RvP or Falcao? Nope.
Sterling over Di Maria? Not a chance.
Gerrard over Carrick? Have a laugh.

After that, there isn't even a remote shout.
 
There isn't a single Liverpool player I would take for a full match day squad for United.

Sturridge over Rooney, RvP or Falcao? Nope.
Sterling over Di Maria? Not a chance.
Gerrard over Carrick? Have a laugh.

After that, there isn't even a remote shout.

Even if they wouldn't make your starting 11, Sterling and Sturridge would definitely make the squad (ahead of Januzaj and Wilson).

Gerrard though is finished and should be put out to pasture.
 
You have to love the press. Liverpool's exit from the Champion's league has given the spinners in the UK media a bit of work to. Liverpool's EL draw is being sold as a return to the place of their greatest triumph - Istanbul.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/15/liverpool-2005-triumph-besiktas-europa-league
Is this post a joke? They've been drawn against Besiktas, a team currently playing at the stadium where they had arguably their greatest ever game. This article covers that noteworthy fact. What exactly are you expecting?
 
They Arsenal this weekend, can't see them getting all 3 points. They're so bad and the only reason I'm enjoying it more than usual is that their fans were so full of themselves last season and wouldn't shut up about how bad we were and the ship was ''sinking''.

Balance is restored.