Hmm....guess leaving him out for few weeks might do Mignolet good like with Hart but Jones made strange errors today commiting so early for both first and 3rd goals. Not that he would have saved them necessarily but his anticipation and balance looked so bad.
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Hmm....guess leaving him out for few weeks might do Mignolet good like with Hart but Jones made strange errors today commiting so early for both first and 3rd goals. Not that he would have saved them necessarily but his anticipation and balance looked so bad.
Well yes, but point being they aren't any good at doing what they are suppose to be good at i.e. keeping the goals down.
If anything your defense cost you the league last season more than "enabling you to compete".
I'm not gonna bother defending Jones because I don't rate him either but Mignolet has made similar errors in the past. Just like Jones gave RVP a tap in today, Mignolet gave Agüero a tap in a few weeks ago.
Hopefully we get rid in January but I'm not sure who would be available. Either way it's gone past the stage of expecting Mignolet to come back firing after a spell on the bench. He just has to go.
Ignoring the fact that they have regressed from already terrible stats is not helpful to your cause. How much did they concede last season ?
Championship teams are built on fantastic defenses that can grind out victories. Liverpool are nowhere near close to having a great defense and have not been close since the days of Mascherano protecting the back four.
Would you say that of Gerrard as well? Rodgers stated that his role was to build play from the back and use his passing range to set us off on quick attacks. He also contributed with countless penalties in ridiculously high pressure matches, his set piece deliveries were second to none and his presence on the pitch had a huge influence over other players.
Toure's influence was probably more important than anything he did on the pitch and from everything that's been said/reported his experience/leadership cannot go understated especially in such a young team.
We're probably the worst 3rd place team ever, to ever win 6 in a row and have such an impressive record against the best teams in the league. But yeah, we're shit!!
I would argue that Gerard doesnt have the defensive instincts of a good water carrier. Add to that the fact that he is watching poor attacking play in front of him and he gets frustrated and wants to drive on but hasn't got the legs any longer so just gets caught out. If you look at the first goal for united with moreno out of position you see where Liverpool fall down. Gerard should have been organising his midfield and getting Allen to cover moreno and moreno to fill in for allen but he just backed off and allowed 3 liverpool players to get sucked over to the ball. Normally I'd say the centre backs must take some blame but they're pants and I'm sick to death of seeing these giants back out of physical challenges and just look shite this season.
Can we put this thread to bed now?
Liverpool aren't our rivals...
Liverpool aren't our rivals...
To be fair you were competing with Arsenal, who were Arsenal
A chelsea team with more or less no strikers and a Manchester City team who were throwing points away all over the place.
And you finished 2nd best which doesn't mean much really does it.
Even last seasons liverpool would struggle to keep up with this seasons chelsea imo.
You needed defenders bad and cover basically everywhere because you were pretty lucky with injuries last year
you didn't get either.
A chelsea team with more or less no strikers and a Manchester City team who were throwing points away all over the place.
And you finished 2nd best which doesn't mean much really does it.
Even last seasons liverpool would struggle to keep up with this seasons chelsea imo.
You needed defenders bad and cover basically everywhere because you were pretty lucky with injuries last year
you didn't get either.
In an offensive sense Gerrard was important in the 2nd half of the season for sure.
But I don't think he was the best defensively for you guys last season.
Yeah, I would agree. Do you sacrifice conceding ten more goals if it means you will score twenty more goals though? I would.
Good passing and movement through a fairly crap Man Utd midfield/defence (DDG apart of course).
Other than the two Sterling passes, in the first half there was nothing extraordinary they did to be seen as 'the better team'. The majority of what they did was set up by us and then Dave Saves.
Liverpool will always be our rivals.
Lovren for 20 million. On par with Carroll at 35m.
This year
By that logic they've only rarely ever been our rivals because we've never really both been good at the same time.
The Carroll transfer was far, far worse. In Carroll's case there were other alternatives who we could have signed that would have been brilliant additions (Falcao for instance, but many others who weren't on his level too). In Lovren's case, there aren't many quality centre backs that are available and it made little difference whether we spent money on Rojo, Vermaelen, Mangala, etc. All of them have been bad (or in Vermaelen's case, injured).
I posted in another thread that however shite they've been they would always get themselves up for this fixture, especially Slippy G, not today though. Anyway, rivals in the context of this thread is very much different to rivals in the context of English football as a whole, otherwise why don't we have 'rivals' threads for West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton etc?
Rojo
For the money he's been a great buy, I bet you wished you had him instead of Lovren.
Did you keep a straight face when you typed that?
We are talking a bout the same guy here aren't we? The guy who played in the WC Final? That Rojo.
You should give Valdez a lot of money and sign him. By far the best available keeper on the next window.
Saying that, he might just not tick in England (especially after the injuries). De Gea didn't do well on the first six months and was very poor on the air. I think that Valdez might be even worse (on that aspect) than De Gea back then, although on general would be a significant improvement on Mignolet.
Rojo's been light-years ahead of Lovren in a constantly changing and unsettled back four.
Which says everything about Lovren because Rojo still has a lot of things to iron out in this game.
Unsurprisingly, I don't agree with you.
Rojo has been better than Lovren, but that tells more about Lovren being shit rather than Rojo being great.
So who do you think we could have got better for the money?
There were better defenders potentially available, for 50% more, and then there was Louvren, of course, oh wait.
Yeah, that I agree with. Don't think Rojo has been light years ahead of him though
A January move for Petr Cech perhaps?
Jose has talked down chances of transfer mid-season but I think a decent offer could tempt us.
Jose has talked down chances of transfer mid-season but I think a decent offer could tempt us.
Would the player join us and would the club accept an offer after refusing to sell us Ryan fecking Bertrand for eight million quid?
Lovren is averaging a mistake leading to a goal about once a game. That is truly abysmal.
I reckon Rojo can only have been at fault for at most 2 or 3 goals. And I can't think of the examples off the top of my head.
I reckon Rojo can only have been at fault for at most 2 or 3 goals. And I can't think of the examples off the top of my head.
So true. We're shit apparently, though Chelsea couldn't beat us, we won away to Arsenal and Southampton, City narrowly beat us 1-0 at home with us having a red card, and now we beat Liverpool.Cech is far too good for Liverpool.
I reckon the player would and I can't believe we refused that offer!
United missing 6 starters, including the whole first choice back 4 and the club record signing. Having to play two wingers as fullbacks and two centre backs rushed back from injury.
And Liverpool still lose 3-0. Happy days
This is possibly the most damning aspect from Liverpool's point of View. We beat them with all 6 Summer signings missing from the starting XI and not getting out of 2nd gear. We were poor imo. But only because my expectations have increased vastly thanks to LvG.
@Barney you said you weren't worried about 'us lot' ...are you worried now?
I'm not concerned in the slightest... You're too far ahead of us to be any of my concern. I'm not looking above fourth in the league table until next season.
That's quite the turnaround from you in the space of a few weeks.
Have you seen the boom & bust cycle for Liverpool supporters?
Of course. Didn't 'fit' last season so it's nice to see a return to normality.
City were terrible against Leicester yesterday.....no one cares about that.......everything is fine.
But United are playing poor and winning......it's negative.
We have played great against Hull but everyone has said "It was just Hull City....calm down"
We have played a lot of great football under Fergie too but it always just "Arsenal's amazing attacking football" in all those years.
Yes i was very unhappy with our performance against Southampton and today was decent.
But at the moment i prefer to win than playing well, especially this season.