Probably because there is a vast conspiracy on Redcafe against Manchester United. Either that or it was directly relevant to his point.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Liverpool's failing is related to Man United? Explain that one to me.
The point being maybe going out in the group stages is quite understandable since better squads with better managers have done the same thing in easier groups quite recently and maybe they should hold off on talking about embarrassments and bans?
Liverpool should've qualified. What happened to United or Chelsea even more recently is irrelevant. If that was the point he was trying to make then he chose the wrong one. I don't think he was being entirely serious about the ban. Not that it will be necessary.
How could it be irrelevant? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it irrelevant. It's directly relevant to his point.
It's not at all. How does something that happened to a different club years before have any relevance? Can United fans not say Liverpool have been shit this year because we were shit last year?
Of course they can. But I'll refer you back to the beginning of BobbyManc's post. "Let's not go OTT."
It's the exact same principle. Liverpool can't be an embarrassment because United did something similar.
Exactly. Liverpool performed poorly but City and United have had more embarrassing CL campaigns in recent seasons. Liverpool's domestic form right now is a problem, but in Europe they were just a bit disappointing. If you're going to call them pathetic and an embarrassment to English football then I'd like to know what the poster thought of United in 11/12 and City in 12/13.
Jesus, are you serious? I've already spent much more time on this than I wanted to. United fans can say Liverpool are shit this year but if they said Liverpool are a total joke and likely to be relegated, a reasonable response would be to point out that Manchester United were not so great last year so let's not go over the top. This whole thing is about your persecution complex.
You're missing the point. I said the OP was going over the top. As I've said, if he's labelling Liverpool as a pathetic etc. then he has to concede United were even worse in 11/12 and City in 12/13 (not that he'd have a problem accepting the latter). There's nothing wrong with his opinion, he's entitled to it, but he then cannot deny United and City have performed worse in recent seasons.
It's got to do with what happens to Liverpool has nothing to do with Man United. If you want to defend your team, not even BobbyManc's team in this case, then do it by talking about your team. Not another who have nothing to do with them.
Liverpool can't be an embarrassment because they have Lambert upfront, and Sakho, Lovren, Touré and Skrtel at the back, the entire continent knows that their team is not good and that they fluked it, last year.
For us it was an embarrassment because we were finalist the season before.
They are football teams from the same country in the same league. It's only logical they are compared to each other. If you can't handle that, that's your problem.
I don't even agree with the guy. I just don't see what United have to do with it. Or City. Or Chelsea. If you disagree with the sentiment it can be challenged without saying 'but United'.
It's not really. Not when we skip two English sides knocked out in the groups more recently to get to them.
I'm challenging a Manchester United fan about a statement about Liverpool. Bringing up United seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. If someone says something I feel is a huge exaggeration about Liverpool, an easy way to make them rethink their statement is bring their own club into it. Put it this way, if I posted on here yesterday calling Liverpool's CL campaign an embarrassment, your money would be safe if you bet on several fans questioning why a City fan is in a position to post such a thing. And they'd be entirely right to point that out.
They wouldn't be right though. The only way they'd be right is if you were a hypocrite and didn't believe City had been shite and were pointing that out. Challenging somebody on their opinion by saying but your team did this is pointless and childish. Would you be in no position to laugh at Utd being relegated because City were relegated not that long ago?
Well that's my point. I'm basically saying the OP is a hypocrite unless he accepts that whatever he said about Liverpool was perfectly applicable, and even more so, to United in 11/12. I wouldn't have replied to the post if he just said Liverpool performed poorly, but I made it clear he was going OTT in his assessment. If United fail to make top 4 this season and I say, with the money spent, you should have done better, that would be fine. If I started saying with the money you've spent and not making top 4 you are an utter disgrace, joke of a club etc. then United fans who wanted to counter what I was saying would naturally refer to the money City have spent etc.
I don't see why you have an issue with it.
It would still have no bearing on United's failings. It is the argument of a child. United have nothing to with Liverpool or any other club.
Apart from the fact you play in the same league, the two most successful sides in English football thus far, have a huge historic rivalry etc. but no, you have nothing to do with them. It's not like we're currently posting on a thread about Liverpool on a Manchester United forum with 191 pages, where I imagine my post was also the very first that made any sort of comparison between the two clubs.
Ok, United and Liverpool's failures are intrinsically linked and one cannot be discussed without comparison to the other. The next time you talk about how well City are doing I'll be sure to remind you not to go ott because United did better once.
United got 9 points and only lost one game that season. You're pushing it comparing it to a season when city got just 3 points or when liverpool got 5. Yes it was poor by us but 9 points was enough for half the CL qualifiers this season.
No, our failures are not linked to one another, but of course it's relevant to the issue here how United has done in previous CL editions. The guy was perfectly entitled to say that Liverpool should be banned from all European competitions or whatever (and that's already over the top), but it's only logical that we're going to point out you've had an even worse campaign a couple of years ago. Get some perspective.
You were the defending champions, pretty bad to go out in the group stages even if you had 9 points. We were in the CL for the first time in years with a very young and inexperienced squad. Of course we could've done better, but I think United's failure that year was bigger than ours, now matter how many points they had.bishblaize said:
The squad probably needs more reinvestment but how much are the board willing to provide? With Rodgers' record they might be cautious and that then decreases the chances of success.
A quick google search says Sterling has two years left on his contract, surely he won't want to be part of this Liverpool side, and if he has 1 year left then they might not get close to £50m, the summer could be interesting.
A quick google search says Sterling has two years left on his contract, surely he won't want to be part of this Liverpool side, and if he has 1 year left then they might not get close to £50m, the summer could be interesting.
No, that was Chelsea who went out as defending champions. Let's ditch the pretence that it was only about a comparison given two more recent examples were ignored. I don't remember Liverpool fans tempering their enthusiasm last season because United had done better the year before.
acnumber9 is wrong. Bobbymanc and Eboue are right.
Now let's move on. Next !
Now let's move on. Next !
They aren't. But we should still move on and discuss Liverpool without the need for comparison.
Well we weren't champions for one thing. We paid that season for a couple of sloppy defensive displays at home, otherwise did okay in general terms.
Liverpool on the other hand looked totally out of their depth. Even ludogorets at anfield passed the ball better than you. Not sure how you figure that was preferable.
No, and they shouldn't. But you'd be quick enough to temper their joy if their celebrations would become excessive and over the top, pointing out that United has had much more success over the past two decades and that they should calm down. If someone says "it was a bad CL campaign for Liverpool", I think we'd all agree. But when you (don't know who it was) start talking about European bans and stuff, it's only normal other people point out similar failures in the past, by similar teams (being the top English PL teams). Sometimes, you have to do that in order to get some perspective on the matter. That the reference was being made to United's campaign and not Chelsea's or City's is simply because this is a United forum with mostly United fans, nothing more. But yes, let's please move on now.
You're right, that was Chelsea who got knocked out as defending champs, sorry about that. I'm not going to argue which failure was worse, can't remember a thing from United's performances in that particular CL campaign, but on Liverpool's behalf: yes, we played poorly throughout, but we missed our best player and were looking for better form, although our squad and manager are partly to blame for that too, of course. Such things just happen, you have to accept them and move on. I just hope we don't focus too much on the EL because I think we've got a better chance of finishing top 4 than winning the EL.
Doesn't matter. You failed to get out of an easier group than Liverpool with a more expensive, more experienced and much better squad + manager. It wasn't as bad as City's 12/13 campaign, but I don't you think you can by any stretch of the imagination say Liverpool's failure this season was worse.
We didn't throw the towel in, like Rodgers away to Real. That in itself makes ours less embarrassing.
Good point.
What stretch of the imagination? We had 2 sloppy spells of football at home during games in which we otherwise played alright, that was about the only difference in our play that season to any typical season. I can only assume you didn't watch those games and are just trawling through the history books to find a recent poor campaign to compare Liverpool's to. While we didn't deserve to go through that year, you can't claim that it was an outrageously poor campaign.
Liverpool on the other hand failed to produce a single decent performance all group, unless you count 'only' getting beat 1-0 by Real in a game where they flew the white flag. They only finished 3rd due to an outrageously fortuitous penalty in vs Ludogorets in a game where they were second best. Look at the players they fielded and at best you'd say 2 or 3 looked good enough for this level.
Play as well as we did in 11/12 and you'll get out of a group 7 times from 10. Play as Liverpool did this year and you'll never get out of a group.
Simple as that. And its something City fans should know well enough too.
Trawling through the history books? It was 2012. Where did I say it was an outrageously poor campaign? I said it was worse than Liverpool's this season. You can talk about how well you played and how many points you got (bear in mind 6 points were a given as Otelul Galati were in the group), but all it boils down to is the fact Basel and Benfica picked up more points than you. Teams of a lesser capability and with squads acquired at a fraction of the price. When City got 10 points in our debut campaign in the CL it didn't stop people roundly criticising us. Liverpool have an inexperienced squad and there's no shame in losing out to Madrid. Basel are a good side who they should have done better against but there's no embarrassment in failing to beat them.
Well, if you think Liverpool did okay in this seasons competition then I can only assume you didnt watch them play. I saw every game and they were poor in every one. If playing poorly in every game in a competition doesn't equate to a poor overall performance, then I don't know what does.
Lallana has been playing with two broken ribs. 
Shocking that, who makes the call to let him play with broken ribs?
His performances have been like a man playing with two broken legs.